Is NATO Dead?

[jwoodie]

The Zelenski meeting with President Trump served to clarify several issues:
1. The US is not committed to a war with Russia over Ukraine.
2. The US would like to see a peaceful settlement, but that is up to Zelenski.
3. If Zelenski refuses a peaceful settlement, the US will withdraw its military aid to Ukraine.
4. Ukraine is not a member of NATO and is not a subject of NATO's mutual defense provisions.
5. If other NATO members wish to fight in Ukraine, they do so at their own peril.

This raises the question of whether the efficacy of NATO, which was originally intended to provide mutual (i.e., US) defense against an attack by Russia on member countries. If some of these countries now want to attack Russia, they have contravened NATO's original purpose and turned it into a pretentious European debate club.

If there is any consensus about European policy towards Ukraine and Russia, it should be formulated and applied by the European Union, not NATO. That being said, what purpose does NATO serve, other than bureaucratic entanglement in the foreign affairs of other countries?

 

[Concerned American]

The Zelenski meeting with President Trump served to clarify several issues:
1. The US is not committed to a war with Russia over Ukraine.
2. The US would like to see a peaceful settlement, but that is up to Zelenski.
3. If Zelenski refuses a peaceful settlement, the US will withdraw its military aid to Ukraine.
4. Ukraine is not a member of NATO and is not a subject of NATO's mutual defense provisions.
5. If other NATO members wish to fight in Ukraine, they do so at their own peril.

This raises the question of whether the efficacy of NATO, which was originally intended to provide mutual (i.e., US) defense against an attack by Russia on member countries. If some of these countries now want to attack Russia, they have contravened NATO's original purpose and turnedL it into a pretentious European debate club.

If there is any consensus about European policy towards Ukraine and Russia, it should be formulated and applied by the European Union, not NATO. That being said, what purpose does NATO serve, other than bureaucratic entanglement in the affairs of other countries?

Last time I looked, Zelensky and Ukraine were not NATO or EU members, for that matter. Russia, to date, has not attacked any other EU or NATO member nations. Ukraine seems to be doing what it does best---extort money from other nations.

 

[Bleipriester]

This raises the question of whether the efficacy of NATO, which was originally intended to provide mutual (i.e., US) defense against an attack by Russia on member countries.

Come back with complete sentences.

 

[Bleipriester]

Last time I looked, Zelensky and Ukraine were not NATO or EU members, for that matter. Russia, to date, has not attacked any other EU or NATO member nations. Ukraine seems to be doing what it does best---extort money from other nations.

If your plan was to sacrifice a country against Russia, then you will never admit it into Nato. It is kinda unfair what Trump is doing to Ukraine. He can end the war without that finger pointing.

 

[1srelluc]

I have a feeling if it's found out that the EU Nato nations filled the Uke midget's head full of BS before he met with Trump it very well may be dead.

 

[Bleipriester]

I have a feeling if it's found out that the EU Nato nations filled the Uke midget's head full of BS before he met with Trump it very well may be dead.

He knows well EU wants to gather 700bn Euros for him.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We just Trump and Vance liberate Nato.

 

[Concerned American]

We just Trump and Vance liberate Nato.

English please.

 

[1srelluc]

He knows well EU wants to gather 700bn Euros for him.

Yeah, good luck with that, the EU has "alligator arms" when it comes to paying bills.

 

[Mac1958]

Europe moves on, as it should.

America alone.

 

[jwoodie]

Come back with complete sentences.

English grammar too complicated for you?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

English please.

We just watched Trump and Vance liberate western Europe. Thanks for the catch. We do catching for you MAGA all the time., so thanks for the favor.

 

[Bleipriester]

Yeah, good luck with that, the EU has "alligator arms" when it comes to paying bills.

The question is rather whether the money can help him. Empty stocks are empty after all.

 

[Bleipriester]

English grammar too complicated for you?

Finish your sentence, pls.

 

[Zincwarrior]

NATO is not dead. US membership in it is dead.

 

[Bleipriester]

Europe moves on, as it should.

America alone.

We Euros are just milestones around your neck now. If Trump would have been serious about "Nato is obsolete" in 2016, this war would maybe never have started.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Poland and Germany and Ukraine and Lithuania will bond more closely.

Finland and Sweden may as well.

The rest are going to pressure Hungary and offer boodles of support to Turkey.

 

[Lesh]

Wait. We were just told that Trump’s new deal with Ukraine was going to WIN that war for Ukraine

This is all so confusing

 

[Concerned American]

NATO is not dead. US membership in it is dead.

If only. We would have one less welfare payment. Maybe we could get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US next. Hmmmm.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The Zelenski meeting with President Trump served to clarify several issues:
1. The US is not committed to a war with Russia over Ukraine.
2. The US would like to see a peaceful settlement, but that is up to Zelenski.
3. If Zelenski refuses a peaceful settlement, the US will withdraw its military aid to Ukraine.
4. Ukraine is not a member of NATO and is not a subject of NATO's mutual defense provisions.
5. If other NATO members wish to fight in Ukraine, they do so at their own peril.

This raises the question of whether the efficacy of NATO, which was originally intended to provide mutual (i.e., US) defense against an attack by Russia on member countries. If some of these countries now want to attack Russia, they have contravened NATO's original purpose and turned it into a pretentious European debate club.

If there is any consensus about European policy towards Ukraine and Russia, it should be formulated and applied by the European Union, not NATO. That being said, what purpose does NATO serve, other than bureaucratic entanglement in the foreign affairs of other countries?

Correction: NATO was created to oppose the Warsaw Pact, not Russia.