Is Kim Davis wrong? Or is the Supreme Ct wrong about requiring acceptance of same-sex "marriage"?

[Freewill]

The reason for Davis' opinion is immaterial. Much like it is immaterial if a person thinks that gay marriage is a right, doesn't make it a right. Even the SCOTUS ruling does not make it a right it just forces the states to do something that is beyond their laws.

They SCOTUS was wrong as it was wrong so many times before. They should have invalidated the laws if they saw them unconstitutional. Then allowed the states to change the laws as was happening fairly fast. What they also could have ruled, and this makes sense, that states have to recognize gay marriage performed legally in other states. THAT would make sense, what the SCOTUS did was yield to their ideology.

What the SCOTUS did was make law and change the dictionary definition of marriage. Quite the feat. Didn't work out for Dred Scott or 50 million unborn children when the SCOTUS usurps their power.

 

[Wildman]

The Supreme Court was wrong.

exactly, where is the protection of religious freedoms for the believers ?

todays SC is nothing but a lap dog for that muslime mulatto.., O'Husseinbama

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

There is one thing people that I want to lay on ya
Now that I've been listening to Christian Moron-ia
They claim the gays they done them wrong
Kim Davis was singing that same old song
"God told me and God scold me"

 

[Freewill]

The Constitution (Amendment 1) says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

And the 14th amendment said that what applied to the Fed govt, now applies to state and local govts too. Meaning, no govt can make a law as described by the 1st amendment.

A basic tenet of many religions in this country is that homosexuality is a sin, and is forbidden. That was true in George Washington's time, and is just as true now.

If Congress makes a law saying that people (such as county clerks) must accept a homosexual same-sex "marriage", hasn't Congress (and/or the county govt of Rowan County, Kentucky) violated the 1st amendment?

Why did they jail Kim Davis? Sounds like they should have jailed the Congressmen (or county govt officials) who voted for the law instead, and possibly the affirming justices of the Supreme Court too.

The 1st Amendment only prevents the federal government from making laws for or against religious freedom. The decision to use the 14th Amendment to allow same-sex marriage was unconstitutional because it didn't allow complete freedom for everyone, the freedom for anyone to marry anyone or anything. This decision is a complete sham.

Throwing somebody in jail for not accepting this unconstitutional decision should be prohibited as well. But our court system has been taken over by the gay agenda.

Does your country have a Constitution, expert?

The Supreme Court made an unconstitutional decision? lol, which governmental body reviews SCOTUS decisions for constitutionality?

Yes, yes they did, they made law, not their power to do so.

 

[Freewill]

There is one thing people that I want to lay on ya
Now that I've been listening to Christian Moron-ia
They claim the gays they done them wrong
Kim Davis was singing that same old song
"God told me and God scold me"

Shouldn't you be bitchin' about corporations being people?

 

[Seawytch]

The Constitution (Amendment 1) says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

And the 14th amendment said that what applied to the Fed govt, now applies to state and local govts too. Meaning, no govt can make a law as described by the 1st amendment.

A basic tenet of many religions in this country is that homosexuality is a sin, and is forbidden. That was true in George Washington's time, and is just as true now.

If Congress makes a law saying that people (such as county clerks) must accept a homosexual same-sex "marriage", hasn't Congress (and/or the county govt of Rowan County, Kentucky) violated the 1st amendment?

Why did they jail Kim Davis? Sounds like they should have jailed the Congressmen (or county govt officials) who voted for the law instead, and possibly the affirming justices of the Supreme Court too.

The 1st Amendment only prevents the federal government from making laws for or against religious freedom. The decision to use the 14th Amendment to allow same-sex marriage was unconstitutional because it didn't allow complete freedom for everyone, the freedom for anyone to marry anyone or anything. This decision is a complete sham.

Throwing somebody in jail for not accepting this unconstitutional decision should be prohibited as well. But our court system has been taken over by the gay agenda.

My civil marriage license doesn't infringe on your religion in any way shape or form. Kim Davis was actually trying to impose her religious views on her secular office...you're down with that kind of Sharia law shit?

As long as any person is unable to marry whomever they wish....this is basically a law that was written by the Supreme Court, which is unconstitutional.

The only reason it made it this far is because the Gay Agenda had to lie and claim that they weren't being discriminatory. Discriminatory against marrying inside your own family or marrying regardless of the age or species of the parties.

So Loving was also unconstitutional. Have you told all the interracial couples?

Look, if you think there is no demonstrable harm in marrying your sibling, your dog (can't consent), a child (can't consent), a dead person (can't consent) or more than one person, you are free to do just as gay and interracial couples did and petition the courts. Somehow I don't think you'll fare as well with many of your hyperbolic nonsense...but have fun storming the castle.

One can argue that same-sex couples have drawbacks as well. You want to say that your situation is totally different from everyone else's. Whose the real bigot here?

Wow...just wow. See, here's the thing...that's what the court cases were about. I'll make it really simple for you...gays petitioned the courts. Those like you that oppose gays civilly marrying had the opportunity to lay out for everyone to see, your ideas of those "drawbacks". Your side could not come up with a compelling reason to keep gays from civilly marrying. Understand? You had your chance, but could not come up with a single reason gays cannot civilly marry. Do you think you could do better than the cadre of lawyers the anti gay folks hired? Go for it. List the societal harms in allowing gays to marry the consenting adult partner of their choice. Go.

My mother told me that I wouldn't be happy marrying my wife, who is 18 years older and African-American, but I didn't listen. We've been married for over 37 years. Used to be everyone stared at us, but not any more. We still have to tell cashiers and waitresses we're together.

That has to do with what? According to you, your marriage is unconstitutional because the SCOTUS didn't make all marriages legal.

 

[Seawytch]

Kids of divorced parents are allowed to say, “Hey, mom and dad, I love you, but the divorce crushed me and has been so hard. It shattered my trust and made me feel like it was my fault. It is so hard living in two different houses.” Kids of adoption are allowed to say, “Hey, adoptive parents, I love you. But this is really hard for me. I suffer because my relationship with my first parents was broken. I’m confused and I miss them even though I’ve never met them.”

But children of same-sex parents haven’t been given the same voice. It’s not just me. There are so many of us. Many of us are too scared to speak up and tell you about our hurt and pain, because for whatever reason it feels like you’re not listening. That you don’t want to hear. If we say we are hurting because we were raised by same-sex parents, we are either ignored or labeled a hater.

i think if you are over 18 and still whining about your parents, you need to get over yourself.

There are a lot of straight couples that are lousy parents, and a lot of gay couples who are great parents.

And this particular whiney 18 year old was the product of divorced parents. Her mother was married to her father when she was born. She has daddy issues she's blaming her mother for.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The reason for Davis' opinion is immaterial. Much like it is immaterial if a person thinks that gay marriage is a right, doesn't make it a right. Even the SCOTUS ruling does not make it a right it just forces the states to do something that is beyond their laws.

I swear you are the most ignorant people on the planet. The SCOTUS protects rights AGAINST state legislation that denies those rights.

 

[IsaacNewton]

The Constitution (Amendment 1) says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

And the 14th amendment said that what applied to the Fed govt, now applies to state and local govts too. Meaning, no govt can make a law as described by the 1st amendment.

A basic tenet of many religions in this country is that homosexuality is a sin, and is forbidden. That was true in George Washington's time, and is just as true now.

If Congress makes a law saying that people (such as county clerks) must accept a homosexual same-sex "marriage", hasn't Congress (and/or the county govt of Rowan County, Kentucky) violated the 1st amendment?

Why did they jail Kim Davis? Sounds like they should have jailed the Congressmen (or county govt officials) who voted for the law instead, and possibly the affirming justices of the Supreme Court too.

So government employees can now choose which part of their job to do and which part not to do. They can force anyone coming to them to ask for whatever their government office provides to follow THEIR religion.

Ok, so every Muslim in a government job can force others to follow the tenets of Islam. Every Buddist. Every person that is a Wiccan can deny government services to anyone that doesn't follow their religion. Every Satanist can force Christians to follow their religion.

Kristians in America need to get over the fact that they USED to have defacto majority and defacto ability to force the entire population to cowtow to their religion. Its over, you get to practice your religion in your church, or at home. You don't get to use the machinery of government to force your religion on others.

Unless you are ready to accept the same from every other person in every other religion. And we already know kristians don't accept anyone else's anything.

Stop the whining, you don't like the job then quit and go clean pews for a living.

 

[easyt65]

The DOMA was passed, the only Federal Law (like it) regarding marriage. Obama refused to obey or enforce the law because he did not like it. It was eventually repealed / eliminated. That left no law regarding marriage (traditional vs same-sex).

States can not pass less restrictive laws than the Federal Govt, thus the states were left to pass laws regarding the definition of marriage themselves. State populations voted on the measure, and the law passed by states was that marriage was between a man and a woman. The federal government then stepped in, over-stepping their federal Constitutional authority according to many, to make null and void state laws passed through a Democratic Process. There is still NOT a federal law that defines a 'marriage' that would dictate to states how to proceed, just the government's demand of what a marriage ISN'T (between 1 man and 1 woman).

State's Rights and State Law must be considered. I think the USSC may have overstepped its bounds, as has the federal govt (on many occasions).

In the end, for the moment, as Hillary said, what does it matter. Same-sex marriage permits are being issued, Davis is freed, and the will of the federal govt has been imposed on the country with the vast majority of Americans' say being ignored. So move along...go about your business...nothing to see here.

 

[easyt65]

If a Muslim clerk refused to give a permit for 2 gay men to marry, would the federal govt put that clerk in jail for refusing to do their job? Hmmmmm....

 

[Bush92]

Religious liberty does stop at the door of your workplace. Muslim truck drivers do not have to haul alcohol based on their religious beliefs. Public schools must adjust the school menu to accommodate Islamic students, so why should Davis alter her beliefs? Because she's Christian?

 

[Seawytch]

Religious liberty does stop at the door of your workplace. Muslim truck drivers do not have to haul alcohol based on their religious beliefs.

Do you have a link? Do they own their own trucks?

Public schools must adjust the school menu to accommodate Islamic students, so why should Davis alter her beliefs? Because she's Christian?

Reasonable accommodation isn't the same thing as refusing to do your job based on your religion. Let's say a Hindu got a job at the Fish and Game department. Do you think it would be okay for them to stop issuing fishing and hunting licenses because their religion forbids the eating of meat?

 

[bodecea]

The Constitution (Amendment 1) says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

And the 14th amendment said that what applied to the Fed govt, now applies to state and local govts too. Meaning, no govt can make a law as described by the 1st amendment.

A basic tenet of many religions in this country is that homosexuality is a sin, and is forbidden. That was true in George Washington's time, and is just as true now.

If Congress makes a law saying that people (such as county clerks) must accept a homosexual same-sex "marriage", hasn't Congress (and/or the county govt of Rowan County, Kentucky) violated the 1st amendment?

Why did they jail Kim Davis? Sounds like they should have jailed the Congressmen (or county govt officials) who voted for the law instead, and possibly the affirming justices of the Supreme Court too.

So government employees can now choose which part of their job to do and which part not to do. They can force anyone coming to them to ask for whatever their government office provides to follow THEIR religion.

Ok, so every Muslim in a government job can force others to follow the tenets of Islam. Every Buddist. Every person that is a Wiccan can deny government services to anyone that doesn't follow their religion. Every Satanist can force Christians to follow their religion.

Kristians in America need to get over the fact that they USED to have defacto majority and defacto ability to force the entire population to cowtow to their religion. Its over, you get to practice your religion in your church, or at home. You don't get to use the machinery of government to force your religion on others.

Unless you are ready to accept the same from every other person in every other religion. And we already know kristians don't accept anyone else's anything.

Stop the whining, you don't like the job then quit and go clean pews for a living.

That's what some of them may object to...non-christians having jobs, or worse, jobs in government. That their version of christianity (take your pick) isn't the overwhelming majority to the point of making everyone follow their religious rules (see Blue Laws).

 

[Seawytch]

If a Muslim clerk refused to give a permit for 2 gay men to marry, would the federal govt put that clerk in jail for refusing to do their job? Hmmmmm....

Yes.

 

[Bush92]

Religious liberty does stop at the door of your workplace. Muslim truck drivers do not have to haul alcohol based on their religious beliefs.

Do you have a link? Do they own their own trucks?

Public schools must adjust the school menu to accommodate Islamic students, so why should Davis alter her beliefs? Because she's Christian?

Reasonable accommodation isn't the same thing as refusing to do your job based on your religion. Let's say a Hindu got a job at the Fish and Game department. Do you think it would be okay for them to stop issuing fishing and hunting licenses because their religion forbids the eating of meat?

EEOC Sues Star Transport, Inc. for Religious Discrimination

 

[Bush92]

If a Muslim clerk refused to give a permit for 2 gay men to marry, would the federal govt put that clerk in jail for refusing to do their job? Hmmmmm....

Yes.

He or she should not be forced to and he/she should certainly not be jailed. Other officials can issue the license. Fishing license and hunting can be issued in most states by convenience store clerks.

 

[Seawytch]

Oh look, I found the link:

"Our investigation revealed that Star could have readily avoided assigning these employees to alcohol delivery without any undue hardship, but chose to force the issue despite the employees' Islamic religion."

Kim Davis's office could have issued licenses without her doing a thing. She objected to the license being issued from her office and ordered her employees (some of whom were willing) not to issue the licenses. The couples wanting to marry would have been perfectly happy to give Davis a reasonable accommodation for her religious beliefs. She refused such an accommodation.

 

[easyt65]

So if a

If a Muslim clerk refused to give a permit for 2 gay men to marry, would the federal govt put that clerk in jail for refusing to do their job? Hmmmmm....

Yes.

Christian walked into a Muslim Bakery and asked them to bake a cake and write with icing the words upon it that said, 'Jesus is the son of the ONLY God', the govt would step in and FORCE them to do so if they refused?!

Hmmm....you certainly have more faith in the federal government that is waging war on Christianity than I do.

 

[bodecea]

If a Muslim clerk refused to give a permit for 2 gay men to marry, would the federal govt put that clerk in jail for refusing to do their job? Hmmmmm....

Absolutely. Why not.