Is it time for a legitimate third party?

[Harpy Eagle]

You don't have that freedom because the law prevents you just as it prevents business owners from denying people service based on sex, race, religion, or sexual orientation.

And this is where the law is not consistent, and why I have an issue with it.

On one hand I can limit who can come on to my private property and in the other I cannot...even though both are my private property.

 

[Curried Goats]

And this is where the law is not consistent, and why I have an issue with it.

What's inconsistent about it?

On one hand I can limit who can come on to my private property and in the other I cannot...even though both are my private property.

Your home and your business might both be property but they don't operate under the same rules. You don't need a license to own a home. Being allowed to operate a business is a privilege that comes with certain stipulations.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

What's inconsistent about it?

why ask this stupid question when I explained it in the very next sentence?

Your home and your business might both be property but they don't operate under the same rules. You don't need a license to own a home. Being allowed to operate a business is a privilege that comes with certain stipulations.

Yes, I know. Inconsistent application of what is private property.

 

[Curried Goats]

why ask this stupid question when I explained it in the very next sentence?

I explained why it wasn't inconsistent in the next portion and you simply aren't intelligent enough to respond to it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I don't hear any "Libertarians" stick up for gay rights...

That's because there are no such things as gay rights.

There are only Individual rights.

Rights don't come as groups.

The problem is that many, your thought being a prime example, simply lack even a fundamental understanding of what liberty actually means in the context of the traditional American philosophy of governance.

I think it's why so many fear it and fight against it so much. It's because they do not understand liberty.

Of course there are also those who encourage the electorate to view Individuals only as members of groups rather than as Individiuals as a matter of activism. These are the proponents of so-called ''diversity,'' mainly operating through modern cable news entertainment media. And that's actually what perpetuates all of the so-called ''racism.'' Which is really only a form of collectivism in itself.

So I suppose the moral of the story is that collectivists just gonna collective...

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I explained why it wasn't inconsistent in the next portion and you simply aren't intelligent enough to respond to it.

No, you justified the inconsistency, but you proved that it does indeed exist.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That's because there are no such things as gay rights.

There are only Individual rights.

Rights don't come as groups.

The problem is that many, your thought being a prime example, simply lack even a fundamental understanding of what liberty actually means.

I think it's why so many fear it and fight against it so much.

Well said.

This is the problem with "protected classes". Giving some groups more protection than others is a violation of the Equal Protection Clause

 

[Curried Goats]

No, you justified the inconsistency, but you proved that it does indeed exist.

It's not inconsistent though. It's two separate things that you want to treat as the same. You don't have a right to own and operate a business any more than you have a right to drive a car on a public road. Those aren't rights. Those are privileges you must qualify for. Owning a home is a right. You don't need a license to do it. It's not the same thing.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It's not inconsistent though. It's two separate things that you want to treat as the same. You don't have a right to own and operate a business any more than you have a right to drive a car on a public road. Those aren't rights. Those are privileges you must qualify for. Owning a home is a right. You don't need a license to do it. It's not the same thing.

I do not have a right to own a house any more than I do to own a business.

Owning a home is not a right, rights do not cost money.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what is a right.

 

[Curried Goats]

That's because there are no such things as gay rights.

There are only Individual rights.

There really are objectively no rights. All rights are imaginary and functions of government. Individual rights are just as made up as gay rights.

Rights don't come as groups.

No? Were you asleep during history class when they went over slavery and segregation?

The problem is that many, your thought being a prime example, simply lack even a fundamental understanding of what liberty actually means in the context of the traditional American philosophy of governance.

You mean under some made up thing? If we're all just making things up what's the issue?

I think it's why so many fear it and fight against it so much.

Who's afraid of these sapsy arguments?

 

[Curried Goats]

I do not have a right to own a house any more than I do to own a business.

Owning a home is not a right, rights do not cost money.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what is a right.

Who said you had to buy a home to own it? Parents can leave their children homes in their will. The point is you don't need permission from government to own a home. You do need a license from them to operate a business because doing so is a privilege. Moron.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Who said you had to buy a home to own it? Parents can leave their children homes in their will. The point is you don't need permission from government to own a home. You do need a license from them to operate a business because doing so is a privilege. Moron.

Once again, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what is a right.

 

[Curried Goats]

Once again, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what is a right.

Not from any convincing argument you made.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Not from any convincing argument you made.

Of course not. Your mind is made up and nothing will change it.

That is the nature of these forums.

 

[Curried Goats]

Of course not. Your mind is made up and nothing will change it.

That is the nature of these forums.

And also because you need a license to operate a business and yet you want to liken it to home ownership.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And also because you need a license to operate a business and yet you want to liken it to home ownership.

All you are doing is highlighting the inconsistency in our laws.

 

[Redfish]

Is it time for a legitimate third party?

• Too much political divide on issues that could have a common middle ground?
• Our 2 current parties drive their own agenda, while the a unheard majorities voice is left unheard, seen, or advised.
• In today's political climate, how would a third party get a voice? We are not asking for a seat at the table, but rather, a voice that can be heard. Then let the dominoes fall.
• George Washington warned of political parties subverting the people and leading to despotism. This board that example where many on here, express desire to remove the other in totality.
• From Washington - "...The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
  
  All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
  
  However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion".
  

  Farewell Address (1796) | Constitution Center

  National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for Farewell Address (1796)

  constitutioncenter.org
• The above is where we are today. Do you disagree?
• Recent Gallup Poll (take it for what it's worth says that support of a third viable party is up 63%
  • Support for Third U.S. Political Party Up to 63%
• And, maybe there is another option; no parties, purely a stance and position.
• Has the country outgrown our political party system?

sure, it's time, but the major parties and their media cronies will not permit it.

 

[Curried Goats]

All you are doing is highlighting the inconsistency in our laws.

Again, there's nothing inconsistent about the law treating a home and a business differently. They are different things, weirdo.....

 

[jc456]

Nope. I don't hear any "Libertarians" stick up for gay rights or reproductive rights. They just like to whine that the government puts too many regulations on rich people trying to poison the water.

now this is disinformation jack

 

[jc456]

sure, it's time, but the major parties and their media cronies will not permit it.

correct, I keep posting in here it's about money. money, money, money