Is it time for a legitimate third party?

[dblack]

Nope. I don't hear any "Libertarians" stick up for gay rights or reproductive rights.

That not my problem. Pay more attention? Libertarians are pro choice. Our candidate for President is gay. You must not get out much.

 

[JoeB131]

Why would they want to stick up for gays (sexual deviants and perverts)?

Why would they want to stick up for the so-called right to slaughter innocent unborn babies?

Don't call yourself "LIbertarian" if you want to regulate what kind of sex people are having.

 

[JoeB131]

That's because there are no such things as gay rights.

There are only Individual rights.

Rights don't come as groups.

The problem is that many, your thought being a prime example, simply lack even a fundamental understanding of what liberty actually means in the context of the traditional American philosophy of governance.

I think it's why so many fear it and fight against it so much. It's because they do not understand liberty.

Of course there are also those who encourage the electorate to view Individuals only as members of groups rather than as Individiuals as a matter of activism. These are the proponents of so-called ''diversity,'' mainly operating through modern cable news entertainment media. And that's actually what perpetuates all of the so-called ''racism.'' Which is really only a form of collectivism in itself.

So I suppose the moral of the story is that collectivists just gonna collective...

This is the most retarded thing I've heard yet.

Sure, you can have all the "liberty" you want if you are white, male, straight, and Christian and have all the privileges.

 

[JoeB131]

That not my problem. Pay more attention? Libertarians are pro choice. Our candidate for President is gay. You must not get out much.

You mean your candidate whose big goal in life is to get 5% of the vote so he can get Federal Matching Funds?

 

[jc456]

This is the most retarded thing I've heard yet.

Sure, you can have all the "liberty" you want if you are white, male, straight, and Christian and have all the privileges.

what are the gay rights?

 

[dblack]

You mean your candidate whose big goal in life is to get 5% of the vote so he can get Federal Matching Funds?

Caught making an asinine, patently false statement, and instead of apologizing, you double down on dickhead troll mode. LOL - what a douche!

 

[JoeB131]

Caught making an asinine, patently false statement, and instead of apologizing, you double down on dickhead troll mode. LOL - what a douche!

There's no need to apologize to Libertarian Children.

Point is, your side are the tools of the Koch Brothers... and always have been.

 

[dblack]

There's no need to apologize to Libertarian Children.

Shit on the floor and fall back in it. Your call.

 

[LibertyKid]

This is the most retarded thing I've heard yet.

Sure, you can have all the "liberty" you want if you are white, male, straight, and Christian and have all the privileges.

This response basically says "I'm taking my ball and going home".

 

[Curried Goats]

Shit on the floor and fall back in it. Your call.

Is it any different then when you shit all over the floor trying to square private property with your commentary on negative and positive rights?

Oh wait... that shit you just run away from....

 

[dblack]

Is it any different then when you shit all over the floor trying to square private property with your commentary on negative and positive rights?

Oh wait... that shit you just run away from....

Sorry. I have you on ignore, so I usually don't read your nonsense. What is it I'm supposedly "running away from"?

Honestly, if you could omit the childish shit like that, I might engage you in actual conversation. But I don't suppose you can.

 

[jc456]

There's no need to apologize to Libertarian Children.

Point is, your side are the tools of the Koch Brothers... and always have been.

always with the Koch Brothers. wow, need new material dude.

 

[Curried Goats]

Sorry. I have you on ignore, so I usually don't read your nonsense. What is it I'm supposedly "running away from"?

Honestly, if you could omit the childish shit like that, I might engage you in actual conversation. But I don't suppose you can.

What childish shit? The whole shitting on the floor thing? That's your metaphor, I was just borrowing it.

What you're constantly running away from is me when I ask you to square private property with what you said about negative and positive liberty. (I said rights before but you used liberty so I'll use that instead.)

 

[dblack]

What childish shit? The whole shitting on the floor thing? That's your metaphor, I was just borrowing it.

What you're constantly running away from is me when I ask you to square private property with what you said about negative and positive liberty. (I said rights before but you used liberty so I'll use that instead.)

Do you have a coherent question? If you slide back into you trolling shit, we're done.

 

[Curried Goats]

Do you have a coherent question? If you slide back into you trolling shit, we're done.

Are you trolling me by feigning not to understand this fairly simple question? Does private property fit under your description of negative liberties or positive ones?

 

[dblack]

Are you trolling me by feigning not to understand this fairly simple question? Does private property fit under your description of negative liberties or positive ones?

Private property is, like all legal constructs, an attempt to deal with inevitable conflicts of liberty. A way to resolve disputes. It answer the question of who has control over land and resources. You would have that power rest exclusively with the coercive state. I'd rather it be assigned voluntarily, by the people, through mutual trade and collaboration.

 

[Curried Goats]

Private property is, like all legal constructs, an attempt to deal with inevitable conflicts of liberty. A way to resolve disputes. It answer the question of who has control over land and resources. You would have that power rest exclusively with the coercive state. I'd rather it be assigned voluntarily, by the people, through mutual trade and collaboration.

I didn't ask you to imagine what I would want. I asked you if private property fell under your description of negative or positive liberties.

 

[dblack]

I didn't ask you to imagine what I would want. I asked you if private property fell under your description of negative or positive liberties.

Positive liberties is an incoherent concept. It's not liberty at all, but rather the power to force others to serve your interests. So I'm not sure what your getting at here. Do you have a point you're trying to make?

 

[Curried Goats]

Positive liberties is an incoherent concept. It's not liberty at all, but rather the power to force others to serve your interests. So I'm not sure what your getting at here. Do you have a point you're trying to make?

You're the one who mentioned positive liberty and my point is that private property is a creation by government that gives people the legal protection to use force against others to protect their interests.

 

[dblack]

You're the one who mentioned positive liberty and my point is that private property is a creation by government that gives people the legal protection to use force against others to protect their interests.

Yep. Like stops signs. All laws are limitations on rights. How would you divide up control over land and resources?