Is it possible that the allegorical account of a great flood is true?

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Massive crater under Greenland’s ice points to climate-altering impact in the time of humans

Is it possible that the allegorical account of a great flood, which all ancient cultures have, is true?

No.

what do believe would happen if the energy of 700 1-megaton nuclear bombs was unleashed in the northern polar region and instantly vaporized 1500 gigatons of ice?

A very cloudy day?

A little more than that. But yeah, lots and lots of clouds.

 

[ding]

Yeeeaaahh ok, let's go with that. But when did it happen?

Never. There was no global flood.

Not like you think.

Neat!

Yep. Sure is. That’s the point of this thread.

If your supposition is that the great flood happened, doesn't there have to be an actual period in the global history timeline for it to have occurred?

~12,000 years ago.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yeeeaaahh ok, let's go with that. But when did it happen?

Never. There was no global flood.

Not like you think.

Neat!

Yep. Sure is. That’s the point of this thread.

Cool!

So there was no global flood. Just, some floods. Got it.

Major climate disruption which extended the ice age and created massive flooding events around the globe.

that’s what happens when an asteroid strike in a polar region strikes a glacier and vaporized 1500 gigatons of ice.

False. That is not what would happen. You're nuts.

 

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ding, like I think you said, ancient man didn't know the "whole" world, only his neck of the woods. It seems to be pretty established theory that the coastal areas around the Mediterranean and Black Seas flooded at the end of the last ice age due to a big rise in the Atlantic Ocean, from melt water. If this Hiawatha crater is what they think it is, it may have done the deed, but I don't think it necessarily flooded the whole world, ding. All of the earliest civilizations grew up around seas or river systems, for obvious reasons. Over time, they would have all flooded but I don't think every flood that was spoken of by ancient man happened at the same time. A rise in the Atlantic Ocean would not have caused a flood in India or China, I don't think anyway.

It would have been a world wide climate altering event with world wide rain. Flooding would have occurred everywhere until the water ran off.

Is that even possible?

I think the 40 days and 40 nights of rain was the way to explain the rising waters that they didn't understand had come from melting glaciers so far to the north that they didn't even dream of their existence. Just as Noah's ark was an explanation for how humans and all the animals managed to survive. These people had logic. They asked questions. There had to be an explanation, even though they didn't have the knowledge base, yet, to actually explain it.
The floods, though? Oh yeah, we know the floods really happened.

No. If an asteroid vaporized 1500 gigatons of ice that water is put into the atmosphere. It would affect global weather patterns. That moisture would come back as rain and would cause flooding on land until it ran off into the oceans.

What about snow?

Maybe in some places. It was a global event. Asteroid strikes of this size usually are.

 

[ding]

Yeeeaaahh ok, let's go with that. But when did it happen?

Never. There was no global flood.

Not like you think.

Neat!

Yep. Sure is. That’s the point of this thread.

Cool!

So there was no global flood. Just, some floods. Got it.

Major climate disruption which extended the ice age and created massive flooding events around the globe.

that’s what happens when an asteroid strike in a polar region strikes a glacier and vaporized 1500 gigatons of ice.

False. That is not what would happen. You're nuts.

That’s exactly what happens when 1500 gigatons of tnt equivalence strikes a glacier. Do the math.

 

[ding]

Massive crater under Greenland’s ice points to climate-altering impact in the time of humans

Is it possible that the allegorical account of a great flood, which all ancient cultures have, is true?

No.

what do believe would happen if the energy of 700 1-megaton nuclear bombs was unleashed in the northern polar region and instantly vaporized 1500 gigatons of ice?

A very cloudy day?

You will have to use your imagination, as this event to which he is referring is imaginary.

There’s a couple of craters in Greenland which say otherwise.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That’s exactly what happens when 1500 gigatons of tnt equivalence strikes a glacier. Do the math

False.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There’s a couple of craters in Greenland which say otherwise.

Sure.

 

[ding]

That’s exactly what happens when 1500 gigatons of tnt equivalence strikes a glacier. Do the math

False.

Prove me wrong. Do the math. You do know how to do the math, right?

 

[ding]

There’s a couple of craters in Greenland which say otherwise.

Sure.

Yep, and the research team of scientists who discovered it have calculated the energy of the impact and the amount of ice that would be vaporized. It’s called science.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Prove me wrong.

Why? No need. Prove yourself right. Do the math.

 

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Prove me wrong.

Why? No need. Prove yourself right. Do the math.

Research team already has. But I did too.

and since you can’t do the math you can’t disprove it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yep, and the research team of scientists who discovered it have calculated the energy of the impact and the amount of ice that would be vaporized.

Right. And they didn't calculate that what you claim happened, happened.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Research team already has.

False.

 

[ding]

Yep, and the research team of scientists who discovered it have calculated the energy of the impact and the amount of ice that would be vaporized.

Right. And they didn't calculate that what you claim happened, happened.

They calculated that 1500 gigatons of ice would be vaporized. You tell me where that goes. Because according to them it resulted in a major climate disruption. You think that water vapor isn’t going to come back down?

 

[ding]

When a large asteroid strikes the planet the effects are felt all around the globe.

 

[ding]

And they think there were two of them. One has been confirmed.

 

[ding]

Research team already has.

False.

Wrong.

 

[Newtonian]

ding, like I think you said, ancient man didn't know the "whole" world, only his neck of the woods. It seems to be pretty established theory that the coastal areas around the Mediterranean and Black Seas flooded at the end of the last ice age due to a big rise in the Atlantic Ocean, from melt water. If this Hiawatha crater is what they think it is, it may have done the deed, but I don't think it necessarily flooded the whole world, ding. All of the earliest civilizations grew up around seas or river systems, for obvious reasons. Over time, they would have all flooded but I don't think every flood that was spoken of by ancient man happened at the same time. A rise in the Atlantic Ocean would not have caused a flood in India or China, I don't think anyway.

It would have been a world wide climate altering event with world wide rain. Flooding would have occurred everywhere until the water ran off.

Is that even possible?

I think the 40 days and 40 nights of rain was the way to explain the rising waters that they didn't understand had come from melting glaciers so far to the north that they didn't even dream of their existence. Just as Noah's ark was an explanation for how humans and all the animals managed to survive. These people had logic. They asked questions. There had to be an explanation, even though they didn't have the knowledge base, yet, to actually explain it.
The floods, though? Oh yeah, we know the floods really happened.

No. If an asteroid vaporized 1500 gigatons of ice that water is put into the atmosphere. It would affect global weather patterns. That moisture would come back as rain and would cause flooding on land until it ran off into the oceans.

What about snow?

Maybe in some places. It was a global event. Asteroid strikes of this size usually are.

That is, of course, true. The thing is that local events would also be caused by this global event - whatever its cause.

 

[Newtonian]

Prove me wrong.

Why? No need. Prove yourself right. Do the math.

Math is crucial, of course. There are two (probably more) interpretations of the massive extinctions found frozen in the arctic permafrost:

1. The last ice age.

2. The Flood.

As in our 1963 article: Earth's sculptor - ice or water?

Take the ice age for example. It is theorized that over hundreds+ years ice built up in elevation so that it would flow southward and engulf places like New England (Long Island is claimed to have been caused by the ice age glacier).

One of the simplest points is the minimum angle of glacial flow - roughly 20 across and 1 up. So, for a glacier to flow 1,000 miles it would have to flow from and ice sheet 20,000 miles high!

How long would it take for that much ice to build up by our current water cycle via snow? Last time I checked, the record annual snowfall is in the western Rocky Mountains where moisture from the Pacific Ocean is forced to condense as it is forced up elevations by the wet adiabatic rate: namely c. 1,000 inches which makes about 100 inches of ice or <10 feet of ice. At that rate it would take >2,000 years for the ice to build to only 20,000 feet not miles in height!

Yet the evidence of the quick freezing of animals in the arctic permafrost is consistent with freezing in roughly <1 hour! That illustrates the drastic difference with catastrophism and uniformitarianism.

Now, that is from memory from an article nearly 60 years ago (I am 73 btw) - in my next post I will check the figures since math is only as accurate at the numbers that are used in calculations.