Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?

Well, we were discussing whether or not Israel has expanded since 1948, following your assertion that Israel has an desire for "ever-expanding". Israel did not expand when she was invaded by the Arab armies in 1948. Israel got smaller. Israel did not expand in 1967, she recovered territory which was taken from her by belligerent states. Israel has not expanded beyond her own borders, with the exception of a small piece of territory from Syria as a security measure after an invasion.

So the accusation that Israel is "ever-expanding" is false.
Yeah, very funny. Why do you use such nonsense? Israel owns now more territory now than it was supposed to have in 1947, according to the UN partition plan. They expand their settlements in the West Bank, they enlarge their 'security zone' around the Golan Heights. If that is not an expansion, then day is night.
 
This site belongs to Muslims now, and they have every right to use it as they want. If some people in Israel want to change that using the force (there will be no other option) - I am more than fine with that. They can fight for the sand and holy sites for eternity, if they wish.
Wow.

The Jewish people say, let's share the land and live in peace together.

The Arabs/Muslims say, it's all mine and we will use it as we want (and we want you gone).

You support the Arabs/Muslims in their position. I don't know what else to say. I find it morally abhorrent.
 
Are Israeli Arabs seeking self-determination in the form of a new state separate from the wanna-be Arab Palestinian state?
Why does it matter? As a part of Arab Palestinian state.
 
Nope, you’re wrong. The Arabs were offered 95% of what they wanted but it was contingent upon accepting Israel’s right to exist. The antisemites refused.

You really need to get your information from something other than the U.N. or anti-Israel sources.
You mean the Oslo Accords? If I remember correctly, there was a tricky thing there concerning the West Bank.
 
Truman gave all our weapons to Israel? Wow!

The Palestinian did not have any weapons at all since the Ottoman and British did not allow them any.

I guess they should have accepted the partition, eh?

It was a massacre, but the Zionists still almost lost.

How many soldiers in the Arab armies that attacked?

The Palestinians did not object to the 1948 UN partition that created Israel.
What they objected to was the criminal acts by Menachim Begin to wipe out hundreds of native villages after he blew up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel, and the fact none of the native refugees who left to escape the violence, were allowed back to their legally owned properties.

The Arab armies did NOT "attack".
They were sent in so that the massacres of native villages could be stopped.
 
Wow.

The Jewish people say, let's share the land and live in peace together.

The Arabs/Muslims say, it's all mine and we will use it as we want (and we want you gone).

You support the Arabs/Muslims in their position. I don't know what else to say. I find it morally abhorrent.
I don't believe in that. I don't believe that the 'guys in hats' will recognize the right of other faiths to use their holy site. It contradicts the Torah, they will never allow that. The question is only in when and if. I already told you that.
 
Yeah, very funny. Why do you use such nonsense? Israel owns now more territory now than it was supposed to have in 1947, according to the UN partition plan. They expand their settlements in the West Bank, they enlarge their 'security zone' around the Golan Heights. If that is not an expansion, then day is night.
"Supposed to have"? Israel was "supposed to have" the entire Mandate for Palestine. Israel did, in point of objective legal fact, inherit all of the Mandate for Palestine, save for the part that was carved off for an Arab state (Jordan, the original two-state solution).

The UN does not have the right to arbitrarily divide a state into pieces. It can suggest such a thing, but it can not be implemented without the consent of the parties involved. Belligerent invasion does not cause the invaded state to be divided into pieces.

I will say again, Israel has not expanded into any territory that belonged to another State (with exception of small piece of Syria for security purposes.) Quite the opposite, Israel has voluntarily chosen NOT to apply sovereignty over territory it has sovereign claim to and has willingly given territory to other governing entities (Gaza, Areas A and B).
 
Why does it matter? As a part of Arab Palestinian state.
I'm not sure what you are asking. If Arabs with Israeli citizenship want to be part of the self-determination of an emerging state of Arab Palestine, who is going to stop them?
 
Oh, wow…..how did I miss this antisemitic lie?

When did I ever say Israel should destroy Gaza and kill all its people? That’s actually accusing me of wanting a genocide.

And how is Israel on its way to doing this either? Something like 99% of civilians remain alive, and this is after considering how the Hamas savages are using them as body shield.

And there you go again: “beginning to look like a genocide.” Are you freaking kidding me? Is your bias against Jews so strong that you are willing to spread blood libel?

P.S. I asked in the Feedback thread why the mods are allowing posters to spread antisemitic propoganda on “upstairs” threads rather than move them to the Rubber Room or Badlands, where they place offensive lies against other groups. I guess I have my answer now.

Wrong.
Israel destroyed over 90% of the buildings, utilities, infrastructure, etc.
Clearly the goal was to steal Gaza.
The goal was not to free hostages because that is impossible with a frontal assault, and the IDF admits that they killed all the hostages that died.

And by the way, you are using the word "antisemitic" all wrong.
The word "Semitic" has to be capitalized as a proper noun, and it comes from Shem, the fabled son of Noah who was to have fathered all Arabs, so it means "of Arab origins". It does not mean "Jewish".

The reality is that Zionists falsely claim to be the "Chosen People", which is not only wrong, but highly arrogant and ridiculous. No real G-d would have a "Chosen People" since it would be totally unfair, and clearly Jews are NOT "Chosen People", and instead are supposed to be atoning for the sins of arrogance and pride.
 
"Supposed to have"? Israel was "supposed to have" the entire Mandate for Palestine. Israel did, in point of objective legal fact, inherit all of the Mandate for Palestine, save for the part that was carved off for an Arab state (Jordan, the original two-state solution).

The UN does not have the right to arbitrarily divide a state into pieces. It can suggest such a thing, but it can not be implemented without the consent of the parties involved. Belligerent invasion does not cause the invaded state to be divided into pieces.

I will say again, Israel has not expanded into any territory that belonged to another State (with exception of small piece of Syria for security purposes.) Quite the opposite, Israel has voluntarily chosen NOT to apply sovereignty over territory it has sovereign claim to and has willingly given territory to other governing entities (Gaza, Areas A and B).

That is a lie.
The Balfour Declaration is quite clear that all the Jews were offered was facilitated immigration.
They not only were NOT supposed to take the whole country, but clearly they never paid for the properties they stole from the natives.

There was NEVER to be an "Israel" at all, and the UN partition was just to stop violence.
If you want proof, go read the White Paper of 1922 by Sir Winston Churchill.
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Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

It is also necessary to point out that the Zionist Commission in Palestine, now termed the Palestine Zionist Executive, has not desired to possess, and does not possess, any share in the general administration of the country. Nor does the special position assigned to the Zionist Organization in Article IV of the Draft Mandate for Palestine imply any such functions. That special position relates to the measures to be taken in Palestine affecting the Jewish population, and contemplates that the organization may assist in the general development of the country, but does not entitle it to share in any degree in its government.

Further, it is contemplated that the status of all citizens of Palestine in the eyes of the law shall be Palestinian, and it has never been intended that they, or any section of them, should possess any other juridical status. So far as the Jewish population of Palestine are concerned it appears that some among them are apprehensive that His Majesty's Government may depart from the policy embodied in the Declaration of 1917. It is necessary, therefore, once more to affirm that these fears are unfounded, and that that Declaration, re affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change.
...}
The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

The Israel expansion into Jerusalem and the West Bank in 1967 was totally illegal.
 
I don't believe in that.
You are supporting it in your posts.
I don't believe that the 'guys in hats' will recognize the right of other faiths to use their holy site. It contradicts the Torah, they will never allow that. The question is only in when and if. I already told you that.
Interesting. Israel demonstrates her ability to share control of the all the holy sites. But you believe something else.

Also, "guys in hats" is reductive and insulting. If you mean Orthodox Jews, say Orthodox Jews. If you mean extremist Jews, say that.
 
I'm not sure what you are asking. If Arabs with Israeli citizenship want to be part of the self-determination of an emerging state of Arab Palestine, who is going to stop them?

Palestine was created as a sovereign state in 1920, by the Treaty of San Remo and the Treaty of Sevres.
It is Israel that has no legal, historic, or any reason to exist at all.
The Hebrew are not native to the Land of Canaan, and they illegally massacred the Canaanites in places like Jericho.
 
The Balfour Declaration is quite clear that all the Jews were offered was facilitated immigration.
The Balfour Declaration holds no force in law.
They not only were NOT supposed to take the whole country, but clearly they never paid for the properties they stole from the natives.

There was NEVER to be an "Israel" at all, and the UN partition was just to stop violence.
The Mandate for Palestine is very clear that the Mandate territory for Palestine was intended for the reconstitution of the Jewish national home, to be administered and eventually governed for the self-determination of the Jewish people, while protecting the civil rights of those Arabs who would become part of the newly formed State.
The Israel expansion into Jerusalem and the West Bank in 1967 was totally illegal.
Incorrect. It is territory to which only Israel had sovereign claim. It is not illegal to impose sovereignty over your own territory.
 
You are supporting it in your posts.

Interesting. Israel demonstrates her ability to share control of the all the holy sites. But you believe something else.

Also, "guys in hats" is reductive and insulting. If you mean Orthodox Jews, say Orthodox Jews. If you mean extremist Jews, say that.

There is not a single Jewish holy site that has ever been found.
The first and second temple of Solomon have never been found, and there was absolutely nothing at the Al-Aqsa site when it was built around 650 AD.
The Wailing Wall is clearly Canaanite, is before the Hebrew invasion by over 1000 years, and is large boulder construction never done by Hebrew.
 
Yeah, very funny. Why do you use such nonsense? Israel owns now more territory now than it was supposed to have in 1947, according to the UN partition plan. They expand their settlements in the West Bank, they enlarge their 'security zone' around the Golan Heights. If that is not an expansion, then day is night.

Israel owns now more territory now than it was supposed to have in 1947

It's true, the Arabs fucked up.
 
There is not a single Jewish holy site that has ever been found.
The first and second temple of Solomon have never been found, and there was absolutely nothing at the Al-Aqsa site when it was built around 650 AD.
The Wailing Wall is clearly Canaanite, is before the Hebrew invasion by over 1000 years, and is large boulder construction never done by Hebrew.
Oh, let's just erase all of Jewish history, shall we?
 

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