Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?

[buttercup]

There won't be true peace until the Prince of Peace returns.

 

[Shusha]

When did Palestinians recognize and accept Israel as a sovereign State with a right to exist and declare peace with it?
Please be SPECIFIC.

September 9, 1993. Letters of Mutual Recognition. Yasser Arafat, Chairman, PLO

 

[ESay]

It seems that not. The point of no return has been already passed, if it ever existed. For the Arabs, any Jewish state was a non-starter from the very beginning. For the Israelis, any meaningful concessions now seem to be impossible, because it would have to include withdrawal from all of the West Bank and Jerusalem.

So, no. Not a two-state solution, not 'a one state for two nations' solution, not any other wishful-thinking will ever come true.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

The only thing that the Israelis and the Palestinians seem to agree on is that their opposites should not exist as sovereign countries. Is this an immutable law of religious beliefs, or is it a stubborn bargaining position that both sides have taken? Will it ultimately take the removal of millions of Israelis or Palestinians from the area to resolve this conflict?

The idea of resettling local populations to other areas has been around (and practiced) for thousands of years. [Even Hitler wanted to resettle European Jews to the French colony of Madagascar before that became unrealistic.] Are there any geographical options today that might separate these two warring parties before they annihilate each other?

Israel has tried to have peace and has agreed five times to peace deals and gave up territory to achieve that aim, only to have the so-called Palestinians break those peace agreements.
I watched a video in which the interviewer asked a Saudi if the Palestinians would ever live in peace with Israel. He answered honestly, no. The interviewer asked why not and the Saudi replied, "it is not about territory. It never has been, it's about submission to Islam.
Every once in awhile a straightforward Muslim will tell it like it is and how does the western governments and naive public respond to such a response? They double down on their efforts to appease the Islamists on moral grounds. When you take on Islam with western morals, you lose.
Read ISIS's written reasons for attacking non-believers and you will have the reason Hamas will never actually agree to peace.
When western governments gave Hamas more than 7 Billion dollars in humanitarian aid for its people, hospital construction, et cetera.....where did it go?
To construct underground tunnels throughout Gaza, even under residences, hospitals and schools.
The west needs to stop being ignorant and stupid on this topic.

 

[jwoodie]

Israel has tried to have peace and has agreed five times to peace deals and gave up territory to achieve that aim, only to have the so-called Palestinians break those peace agreements.
I watched a video in which the interviewer asked a Saudi if the Palestinians would ever live in peace with Israel. He answered honestly, no. The interviewer asked why not and the Saudi replied, "it is not about territory. It never has been, it's about submission to Islam.
Every once in awhile a straightforward Muslim will tell it like it is and how does the western governments and naive public respond to such a response? They double down on their efforts to appease the Islamists on moral grounds. When you take on Islam with western morals, you lose.
Read ISIS's written reasons for attacking non-believers and you will have the reason Hamas will never actually agree to peace.
When western governments gave Hamas more than 7 Billion dollars in humanitarian aid for its people, hospital construction, et cetera.....where did it go?
To construct underground tunnels throughout Gaza, even under residences, hospitals and schools.
The west needs to stop being ignorant and stupid on this topic.

That is why Israel needs to declare war against Palestine and defeat it, just like the US did against Japan in WW2.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

There won't be true peace until the Prince of Peace returns.

A LOT of people will die when He returns

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?​

I doubt it.

If Palestinians laid down their guns, there would be peace.
If Israel laid down their guns, they would die

 

[Coyote]

The Israeli's don't want peace.
In fact, they never have.
Israel has never declared a fixed border.
Because their goal is to slowly ethnically cleanse all the Arabs from the region and establish a Greater Israel.

IMO that has always been in the background, and there certainly is certainly a political faction that wants that. How much power they actually have to do it remains to be seen. This reminds me of the US, westward expansion, native peoples and Manifest Destiny.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

IMO that has always been in the background, and there certainly is certainly a political faction that wants that. How much power they actually have to do it remains to be seen. This reminds me of the US, westward expansion, native peoples and Manifest Destiny.

The Jews were there first. They've always had a presence there. They were driven out as a nation by the Roman Empire. Arab squatters moved into ISRAELS LAND. Now Israel is coming home

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Jews were there first. They've always had a presence there. They were driven out as a nation by the Roman Empire. Arab squatters moved into ISRAELS LAND. Now Israel is coming home

What's "fake news" Coyote ?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

What's "fake news" Coyote ?

Coyote is embarrassing herself. She cant refute FACTS

 

[Coyote]

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What's "fake news" Coyote ?

For one, that Jews were there first, it is a whole lot more complicated than that, with multiple peoples having deep ties going back thousands of years. If you are talking about “indigenous cultures” well, the Bedouin are indiginous to a portion of that land as well. You can’t separate it out and in terms of “rights” and it doesn’t matter. Both Jews and Palestinians have rights there and it is that which is the sticking point. You want to argue that Palestinians are squatters, well you just take that up with the guy that insists the Jews are invaders, you are both really speaking from the same position. Go at it.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

NOBODY disputes the FACT that the Al-Aqsa mosque is built ON TOP of the Temple, which was first built by king Solomon

The Arabs moved into the Land of Israel AFTER the destruction of the Temple by the Romans who RENAMED THE LAND OF ISRAEL, Palestine.

 

[Shusha]

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For one, that Jews were there first, it is a whole lot more complicated than that, with multiple peoples having deep ties going back thousands of years. If you are talking about “indigenous cultures” well, the Bedouin are indiginous to a portion of that land as well. You can’t separate it out and in terms of “rights” and it doesn’t matter. Both Jews and Palestinians have rights there and it is that which is the sticking point. You want to argue that Palestinians are squatters, well you just take that up with the guy that insists the Jews are invaders, you are both really speaking from the same position. Go at it.

This is erasure of the Jewish indigenous peoples.

 

[Coyote]

This is erasure of the Jewish indigenous peoples.

How?

 

[Shusha]

How?

Because it conflates presence with indigeneity.

 

[Coyote]

Because it conflates presence with indigeneity.

I don’t see how that erases anyone. If anything, the post I was responding was erasing people who had deep ties to the land but were not Jewish, or the Bedouin who are also indigenous.

 

[Shusha]

I don’t see how that erases anyone. If anything, the post I was responding was erasing people who had deep ties to the land but were not Jewish, or the Bedouin who are also indigenous.

“Deep ties” is not equivalent to indigeneity. The history of the Jewish people and their indigeneity is being worn away and erased. And trying to make “deep ties” and indigeneity equivalent is one of the ways this is done.

The Temple complex, as example, can be a shared holy place but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t usurped.

(You know I respect the Arab Palestinians “deep ties” and their rights to self determination).

 

[Coyote]

“Deep ties” is not equivalent to indigeneity. The history of the Jewish people and their indigeneity is being worn away and erased. And trying to make “deep ties” and indigeneity equivalent is one of the ways this is done.

The Temple complex, as example, can be a shared holy place but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t usurped.

(You know I respect the Arab Palestinians “deep ties” and their rights to self determination).

I do see your point, what I react to is the assertion (not from you) that these other people, who’s ties run run just as deep are “squatters” without rights, to be deported to some other country. That is a very prevalent belief in certain sectors just as the belief that Jews are “invaders and not indigenous.

 

[Shusha]

I do see your point, what I react to is the assertion (not from you) that these other people, who’s ties run run just as deep are “squatters” without rights, to be deported to some other country. That is a very prevalent belief in certain sectors just as the belief that Jews are “invaders and not indigenous.

You know how I feel about ethnic cleansing no matter who is perpetrating it. And I try to call it out and think I did on this thread?