Is it Possible for Israel and Palestine to Peacefully Coexist?

[Rigby5]

Israel, kicking loser Arab ass for over 75 years.

That is foolish.
When WWII was over, the US had no interest in all the latest weapons we had in Europe, so Truman gave them all to the Zionists.
In contrast, the Egyptians, Jordanians, and Syrians only had a few relics from WWI.
The Palestinian did not have any weapons at all since the Ottoman and British did not allow them any.

We gave them dozens of B-17s, hundreds of M-4 Sherman tanks, and around 50 P-51 Mustangs.
The natives did not have a chance.
It was a massacre, but the Zionists still almost lost.
It was the UN and US that created the partition and illegally created Israel.

 

[Rigby5]

Israel offered them peace for land, and the only condition was that they acknowledge Israel’s right to exist. They refused. Their sole objective is the destruction of Israel.

That is just a lie.
Not only did the PA always accept Israel, but Hamas also agreed to accept Israel in 2011.

But there is no legal or ethical basis for the existence of Israel in any way.
They are most Slavic European refugees who have no business in the Mideast in any way.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That is foolish.
When WWII was over, the US had no interest in all the latest weapons we had in Europe, so Truman gave them all to the Zionists.
In contrast, the Egyptians, Jordanians, and Syrians only had a few relics from WWI.
The Palestinian did not have any weapons at all since the Ottoman and British did not allow them any.

We gave them dozens of B-17s, hundreds of M-4 Sherman tanks, and around 50 P-51 Mustangs.
The natives did not have a chance.
It was a massacre, but the Zionists still almost lost.
It was the UN and US that created the partition and illegally created Israel.

Truman gave all our weapons to Israel? Wow!

The Palestinian did not have any weapons at all since the Ottoman and British did not allow them any.

I guess they should have accepted the partition, eh?

It was a massacre, but the Zionists still almost lost.

How many soldiers in the Arab armies that attacked?

 

[Coyote]

I would change the term to “practicing” Jew. Otherwise, what Hector says is true: it is the non-practicing Jews who are prioritizing their liberalism over their Judaism.

Woah….first off, you are stripping the right to their identity from millions of people, allowing authenticity to apply not only to “practicing Jews” but restricting it to practicing conservative Jews.

 

[Coyote]

YOU may think that Israel has achieved its objective to destroy HAMAS and ensure Gaza is no longer a threat has been achieved, but clearly they do not - and thus continue their military campaign in northern Gaza.

Why else, pray tell, would Israel continue to undertaken such a mission if HAMAS was destroyed and Gaza no longer a threat?

It sounds like you think Israel’s objective should be the complete destruction of Gaza and it’s people, something Israel is well on its way too. Over 80% of Gaza’s structures are destroyed or damaged. Thousands of children orphaned and maimed. Over 47,000 dead, most of whom are women and children. Hundreds of bodies uncovered in tbe rubble as people return looking for family members. If military campaign has not irradicated Hamas by now it won’t. It is time to explore approaches or it truly begins to look like genocide.

 

[Coyote]

So what? Hmm, you used to be rational, what happened? Abbas and Hamas uses that exact piece of "information" to incite Palestinian riots and fatwas and jihads every single time. "Al-Aqsa was invaded today" when a few Jews go up on the Temple Mount. Or Palestinians stock rocks in Al-Aqsa so that when Israeli police have to enter to stop the rock throwing, "Jew police invade Al-Aqsa with tear gas desecrating . . . "

Come on man!

Perfect example of the irrationality of religion Teddy. What is wrong with respecting each other’s rights to worship at a shared sacred space? And don’t pretend the Jewish extremists are any better, they want to tear down Muslim structures.

Good to see you back

 

[Lisa558]

Woah….first off, you are stripping the right to their identity from millions of people, allowing authenticity to apply not only to “practicing Jews” but restricting it to practicing conservative Jews.

Duh. We are talking about why liberal Jews are siding against Israel, and tolerating antisemitism. It is because they are prioritizing liberalism over their Jewish identity.

 

[gipper]

It sounds like you think Israel’s objective should be the complete destruction of Gaza and it’s people, something Israel is well on its way too. Over 80% of Gaza’s structures are destroyed or damaged. Thousands of children orphaned and maimed. Over 47,000 dead, most of whom are women and children. Hundreds of bodies uncovered in tbe rubble as people return looking for family members. If military campaign has not irradicated Hamas by now it won’t. It is time to explore approaches or it truly begins to look like genocide.

When a nation steals the land of ingenious people and massacres them regularly, then forces over 2 million of them into a tiny strip of land and oppresses them for decades…and periodically “mows the lawn,” that nation shouldn’t be surprised by 10/7. Though it seems more likely Bibi knew 10/7 was forthcoming and welcomed it. Then he implemented the Hannibal Directive during the attack.

Somehow dumb Americans know none of this, thanks to a controlled and dishonest corporate media.

 

[Hector12]

How is it not their homeland?

So, you have stolen must of their land already and murdered thousands of them. Apparently that’s not enough. You want it all. River to the sea. KILL THEM!

You have much in common with imperialist war criminals throughout history.

 

[gipper]

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See? Stolen land.

 

[Coyote]

Duh. We are talking about why liberal Jews are siding against Israel, and tolerating antisemitism. It is because they are prioritizing liberalism over their Jewish identity.

I don’t think they are tolerating antisemitism. Far from it.

 

[Shusha]

Perfect example of the irrationality of religion Teddy. What is wrong with respecting each other’s rights to worship at a shared sacred space? And don’t pretend the Jewish extremists are any better, they want to tear down Muslim structures.

Well, nothing is wrong with respecting each other's rights to worship. The problem is that the international community is not holding the Muslim community as a global whole accountable for adopting that respect. The problem is that the international community is also not holding the Muslim community as a global whole accountable for using violence as a method of preventing the religious worship rights of others.

Why does the international community not insist that the Jewish people have the right to worship in the most holy place for the Jewish people?

Also, there is a distinct difference between a usurped sacred space and a shared sacred space. You seem to understand this only one-sided from the Muslim perspective. As in, if I tear down a mosque and build a synagogue I'm not creating a "shared sacred space", I'm fundamentally disrespecting and destroying a Muslim space. But you don't seem to consider this from the Jewish perspective. You built a mosque over the sacred Temple space. Building that mosque is not creating a "shared sacred space". It is fundamentally disrespecting and destroying a Jewish sacred space.

 

[Shusha]

It sounds like you think Israel’s objective should be the complete destruction of Gaza and it’s people, something Israel is well on its way too. Over 80% of Gaza’s structures are destroyed or damaged. Thousands of children orphaned and maimed. Over 47,000 dead, most of whom are women and children. Hundreds of bodies uncovered in tbe rubble as people return looking for family members. If military campaign has not irradicated Hamas by now it won’t. It is time to explore approaches or it truly begins to look like genocide.

Your post is nothing more than appeals to emotion and inflammatory rhetoric. Israel is no where near "the complete destruction of Gaza and it's people". Nor does Israel have any such intent.

But let's explore "it is time to explore approaches". What "approaches" have been offered by the international community or by the remnant government of Gaza or by any other relevant parties? What concrete, practical, realistic, ready-to-implement plans are on offer? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Oh, there aren't any.

 

[Lisa558]

It sounds like you think Israel’s objective should be the complete destruction of Gaza and it’s people, something Israel is well on its way too. Over 80% of Gaza’s structures are destroyed or damaged. Thousands of children orphaned and maimed. Over 47,000 dead, most of whom are women and children. Hundreds of bodies uncovered in tbe rubble as people return looking for family members. If military campaign has not irradicated Hamas by now it won’t. It is time to explore approaches or it truly begins to look like genocide.

Oh, wow…..how did I miss this antisemitic lie?

When did I ever say Israel should destroy Gaza and kill all its people? That’s actually accusing me of wanting a genocide.

And how is Israel on its way to doing this either? Something like 99% of civilians remain alive, and this is after considering how the Hamas savages are using them as body shield.

And there you go again: “beginning to look like a genocide.” Are you freaking kidding me? Is your bias against Jews so strong that you are willing to spread blood libel?

P.S. I asked in the Feedback thread why the mods are allowing posters to spread antisemitic propoganda on “upstairs” threads rather than move them to the Rubber Room or Badlands, where they place offensive lies against other groups. I guess I have my answer now.

 

[Lisa558]

I don’t think they are tolerating antisemitism. Far from it.

In some cases, they are SPREADING it.

 

[JoeB131]

Duh. We are talking about why liberal Jews are siding against Israel, and tolerating antisemitism. It is because they are prioritizing liberalism over their Jewish identity.

Or they realize that after 80 years of bitching about being victims of genocide, supporting genocide is a bad look.


Ooooh, I said Genocide, Lisa. you should get all upset bout that.

 

[Hector12]

Or they realize that after 80 years of bitching about being victims of genocide, supporting genocide is a bad look.


Ooooh, I said Genocide, Lisa. you should get all upset bout that.

if the Palestinians do not want to be the victims of genocide they should move elsewhere in the Arab world.

 

[ESay]

You built a mosque over the sacred Temple space. Building that mosque is not creating a "shared sacred space". It is fundamentally disrespecting and destroying a Jewish sacred space

This way of thinking leads nowhere. What now is Turkey once was a Christian nation, and I know a mosque there that is now in a place of the most prominent cathedral of the 'Second Rome'. If the Jews are allowed to regain their sacred place, why the Christians aren't?

 

[Shusha]

This way of thinking leads nowhere. What now is Turkey once was a Christian nation, and I know a mosque there that is now in a place of the most prominent cathedral of the 'Second Rome'. If the Jews are allowed to regain their sacred place, why the Christians aren't?

Do you imagine I am saying that the Christians should not be "allowed" to regain their sacred space? Of course they should be. (Note that Christians can visit the Hagia Sophia, and pray there. Note also that it is Christian churches which control the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.)

And far from "thinking leads nowhere" this is EXACTLY the moral change that is needed in order for there to be peace. There can not be peace if the Jewish people are not recognized and respected in their own homeland. Recognition of the Temple Mount, in its entirety, as a Jewish holy place which must be under Jewish control will lead to better chances of peace.

If you have no problem with another religion usurping a holy site, why would you have a problem with taking it back?


For clarity, I do not support the destruction of Al-Aqsa Mosque. Nor is there widespread support for such a thing in Israel.

 

[ESay]

Do you imagine I am saying that the Christians should not be "allowed" to regain their sacred space? Of course they should be. (Note that Christians can visit the Hagia Sophia, and pray there. Note also that it is Christian churches which control the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.)

And far from "thinking leads nowhere" this is EXACTLY the moral change that is needed in order for there to be peace. There can not be peace if the Jewish people are not recognized and respected in their own homeland. Recognition of the Temple Mount, in its entirety, as a Jewish holy place which must be under Jewish control will lead to better chances of peace.

If you have no problem with another religion usurping a holy site, why would you have a problem with taking it back?


For clarity, I do not support the destruction of Al-Aqsa Mosque. Nor is there widespread support for such a thing in Israel.

Nice moving of goal posts. Bravo. Allowing Christians to visit and pray (though, not sure about this one; since, if I remember correctly, the Sophia was a museum before turning it into a mosque) now equates to the Jewish control and rules of the Mount.

Visit and pray - control and rule. Absolutely equal terms.

If you have no problem with another religion usurping a holy site, why would you have a problem with taking it back?

I don't have any problems with that at all. Two groups of people are ready to annihilate each other for 'holy sites'. Really, what another just cause can be for that in the 21st century?