Is it fair to have pit bulls around other people?

[Bfgrn]

It does not depend on the dog at all. It depends on how the dog was raised or trained. Pit Bulls are sweet dogs unless raised wrong. They wouldn't hurt a fly. There are exceptions. For example if you have a pit on a chain it is advisable to not let people approach it suddenly. The dog knows it is stuck and may react in a defensive manner if approached quickly or unexpectedly while on a chain.

What you feed the pit and how you treat it all help determine how it acts. Which is true of most any dog.

It does depend on the dog ...most dogs run away from what they fear, pit bulls attack what they fear...

 

[Coyote]

I still crack up at the retards who claim that breeding differences don't matter.


Nothing could be more ignorant.

As always, both nature AND nurture matter. And no amount of nurturing can EVER compeletely suppress what nature has designed.

When a retriever snaps, you get a nasty bite. When a pit bull snaps someone just might lose their life.

Big difference.

Not necessarily - any large and strong dog, including a retriever can inflict a tremendously damaging bite if it doesn't have bite inhibition and that is something a dog learns through socialization with other puppies and from people.

Ever seen what the family retriever can do to a sheep?

 

[Coyote]

It does not depend on the dog at all. It depends on how the dog was raised or trained. Pit Bulls are sweet dogs unless raised wrong. They wouldn't hurt a fly. There are exceptions. For example if you have a pit on a chain it is advisable to not let people approach it suddenly. The dog knows it is stuck and may react in a defensive manner if approached quickly or unexpectedly while on a chain.

What you feed the pit and how you treat it all help determine how it acts. Which is true of most any dog.

It does depend on the dog ...most dogs run away from what they fear, pit bulls attack what they fear...

Not at all true. How the dog reacts depends very much on the individual dog and it's flight/fight response - to some extent that is breed influenced, but it is also very much matter of how the dog was raised.

Just as an example many of Vick's dogs were very undersocialized and abused, and scared to death of new things and people - this fear showed itself as the dog shutting down, running away and avoidance not "attacking".

 

[manifold]

I still crack up at the retards who claim that breeding differences don't matter.


Nothing could be more ignorant.

As always, both nature AND nurture matter. And no amount of nurturing can EVER compeletely suppress what nature has designed.

When a retriever snaps, you get a nasty bite. When a pit bull snaps someone just might lose their life.

Big difference.

Not necessarily - any large and strong dog, including a retriever can inflict a tremendously damaging bite if it doesn't have bite inhibition and that is something a dog learns through socialization with other puppies and from people.

Ever seen what the family retriever can do to a sheep?

Still doesn't compare with the jaw strength of a pit bull.

Why do you think all dog fighting dogs are pits? Because they'd rip the throat out of a retreiver in new york minute, that's why.

 

[xotoxi]

Do you know what dog breed, In the USA, is the one that bites people and breaks the skin most often? If not I will tell

The saber-toothed shih tzu?

 

[manifold]

Someone could find a wolf pup or a grizzley cub and raise it to be a well adjusted and friendly family pet.

It doesn't make it a good idea.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

The golden retreiver, due to the sheer popularity of them, are the dog that bites people the most.

Now FATAL attacks on humans is a different story.....rotweillers and pitbulls swap the #1 position for fatal attacks every few years.

DOG BITE LAW - Statistics about dog bites in the USA and elsewhere

 

[AmericasBrave58]

Thoughts?

It greatly depends on the person or people in question. My brother use to raise Pit Bulls, from puppies, and they turned out to be the most lovable animals. And it also depends on the person having this type of dog, and their purpose of owning one. Pit bulls are very High strung, and it takes a special person to deal with them. It also takes a lot of love and patients to handle a pit bull. I am a part-time worker as a Vet-Tech, here in Washington State, and a life time member and guardian of the ASPCA, and King Country Humane Society. I have a degree in Animal Science. people could say the same thing about Dobermans, but it takes a special person to care for the likes of Dobermans and Pit Bulls.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

It does not depend on the dog at all. It depends on how the dog was raised or trained. Pit Bulls are sweet dogs unless raised wrong. They wouldn't hurt a fly. There are exceptions. For example if you have a pit on a chain it is advisable to not let people approach it suddenly. The dog knows it is stuck and may react in a defensive manner if approached quickly or unexpectedly while on a chain.

What you feed the pit and how you treat it all help determine how it acts. Which is true of most any dog.

It does depend on the dog ...most dogs run away from what they fear, pit bulls attack what they fear...

Give them bacon and they'll love you...

 

[Anguille]

That is a good point that a Pit has MUCH MUCH MUCH stronger bite than most dogs.

Exactly.

Most people do not understand that when accounting for risk, you can't ONLY consider the probability of a bad thing happening, but must also consider the amount of damage that will occur if it does.

When you consider BOTH, the risk associated with pit bulls dwarfs all other breeds.

true story.

You are such a bullshit artist.

 

[Anguille]

It does not depend on the dog at all. It depends on how the dog was raised or trained. Pit Bulls are sweet dogs unless raised wrong. They wouldn't hurt a fly. There are exceptions. For example if you have a pit on a chain it is advisable to not let people approach it suddenly. The dog knows it is stuck and may react in a defensive manner if approached quickly or unexpectedly while on a chain.

What you feed the pit and how you treat it all help determine how it acts. Which is true of most any dog.

It does depend on the dog ...most dogs run away from what they fear, pit bulls attack what they fear...

Got any proof for that bit of nonsense?

 

[Anguille]

I still crack up at the retards who claim that breeding differences don't matter.


Nothing could be more ignorant.

As always, both nature AND nurture matter. And no amount of nurturing can EVER compeletely suppress what nature has designed.

When a retriever snaps, you get a nasty bite. When a pit bull snaps someone just might lose their life.

Big difference.

Not necessarily - any large and strong dog, including a retriever can inflict a tremendously damaging bite if it doesn't have bite inhibition and that is something a dog learns through socialization with other puppies and from people.

Ever seen what the family retriever can do to a sheep?

Still doesn't compare with the jaw strength of a pit bull.

Why do you think all dog fighting dogs are pits? Because they'd rip the throat out of a retreiver in new york minute, that's why.

Pit bulls are not the only type of dog used for dog fighting. They just happen to be the most popular one these days and the ones most reported on in the press because we all know hysteria sells newspapers.

 

[Anguille]

Someone could find a wolf pup or a grizzley cub and raise it to be a well adjusted and friendly family pet.

It doesn't make it a good idea.

Wolves and Grizzly bears are not domesticated animals. No comparison.

 

[Anguille]

Do you know what dog breed, In the USA, is the one that bites people and breaks the skin most often? If not I will tell

The saber-toothed shih tzu?

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog,"

Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)

DOG BITE LAW - Statistics about dog bites in the USA and elsewhere

 

[☭proletarian☭]

I've known someone who had wolves as a pet.

Of course, not long after it got out we had a bunch of half-wolf puppies on the way all around the damned neighborhood.

 

[Coyote]

I still crack up at the retards who claim that breeding differences don't matter.


Nothing could be more ignorant.

As always, both nature AND nurture matter. And no amount of nurturing can EVER compeletely suppress what nature has designed.

When a retriever snaps, you get a nasty bite. When a pit bull snaps someone just might lose their life.

Big difference.

Not necessarily - any large and strong dog, including a retriever can inflict a tremendously damaging bite if it doesn't have bite inhibition and that is something a dog learns through socialization with other puppies and from people.

Ever seen what the family retriever can do to a sheep?

Still doesn't compare with the jaw strength of a pit bull.

Why do you think all dog fighting dogs are pits? Because they'd rip the throat out of a retreiver in new york minute, that's why.

Just because a dog like a pitbull can inflict a seriously damaging bite does not diminish the damage any large powerful breed of dog can do when it bites.

Do a bit of research before you make statements like "all fighting dogs are pits". There are a number of breeds bred for fighting and bred for attacking and killing things. Many terriers fall into that category and, there are many pits who's heritage is far removed from fighting and are quite sociable with other dogs.

 

[Anguille]

It does not depend on the dog at all. It depends on how the dog was raised or trained. Pit Bulls are sweet dogs unless raised wrong. They wouldn't hurt a fly. There are exceptions. For example if you have a pit on a chain it is advisable to not let people approach it suddenly. The dog knows it is stuck and may react in a defensive manner if approached quickly or unexpectedly while on a chain.

What you feed the pit and how you treat it all help determine how it acts. Which is true of most any dog.

It does depend on the dog ...most dogs run away from what they fear, pit bulls attack what they fear...

Not at all true. How the dog reacts depends very much on the individual dog and it's flight/fight response - to some extent that is breed influenced, but it is also very much matter of how the dog was raised.

Just as an example many of Vick's dogs were very undersocialized and abused, and scared to death of new things and people - this fear showed itself as the dog shutting down, running away and avoidance not "attacking".

Coyote, You've written some very informative and well researched posts in this thread. Apparently some people have neglected to read them and persist in spreading wives tales about dogs. I think this says more about these people than it does about dogs.

 

[Anguille]

The golden retreiver, due to the sheer popularity of them, are the dog that bites people the most.

Now FATAL attacks on humans is a different story.....rotweillers and pitbulls swap the #1 position for fatal attacks every few years.

DOG BITE LAW - Statistics about dog bites in the USA and elsewhere

In terms of fatal attacks, the number of those resulting from all dogs of any breed is minuscule. Fatal attacks from humans far out number those from dogs.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The golden retreiver, due to the sheer popularity of them, are the dog that bites people the most.

Now FATAL attacks on humans is a different story.....rotweillers and pitbulls swap the #1 position for fatal attacks every few years.

DOG BITE LAW - Statistics about dog bites in the USA and elsewhere

In terms of fatal attacks, the number of those resulting from all dogs of any breed is minuscule. Fatal attacks from humans far out number those from dogs.

How do you feel about laws regarding violent breeds of humans?

 

[Coyote]

It does depend on the dog ...most dogs run away from what they fear, pit bulls attack what they fear...

Not at all true. How the dog reacts depends very much on the individual dog and it's flight/fight response - to some extent that is breed influenced, but it is also very much matter of how the dog was raised.

Just as an example many of Vick's dogs were very undersocialized and abused, and scared to death of new things and people - this fear showed itself as the dog shutting down, running away and avoidance not "attacking".

Coyote, You've written some very informative and well researched posts in this thread. Apparently some people have neglected to read them and persist in spreading wives tales about dogs. I think this says more about these people than it does about dogs.

Thank you Mrs. K Sadly, I think you are right.

It would also appear to be that those people looking at assessing risk might not have a good grasp of numbers.

With a population of something around 5 million pitbulls, you would expect the streets of this country to be flowing with blood and gobbets and dismembered body parts and people staggering around with huge holes and punctures and missing bits and pieces and....

Yet, according to a report I previously linked to, it comes down to

4 Pitbull fatalities a year.
10 maimings a year.
Out of 5 million pitbulls.

Now, for comparison, lets look at automobiles.

•There are more than six million car accidents each year in the United States.
•A person dies in a car accident every 12 minutes and each year car crashes kill 40,000 people.
•The leading cause of death for individuals between 2 and 34 years old is motor vehicle crashes.
•Someone is injured by a car crash every 14 seconds and about two million of the people injured in car accidents each year suffer permanent injuries.

Out of approx 254.4 million cars in the U.S. (as of 2007)



Mrs. K....this brings up a very important question.....









Should cars should be allowed around people?