Is it fair to conflate immigration enforcement with xenophobia?

[Anomalism]

It’s worth pointing out that opposition to illegal immigration is often unfairly labeled as anti-immigrant, when in fact many people, including Trump, have consistently said they support legal immigration. As far as I can tell, the conflation of legal and illegal immigration seems to happen for a few reasons. Some on the left use it as a rhetorical strategy. By framing any immigration enforcement as anti-immigrant, they can cast their opponents as xenophobic, regardless of the actual policy details. Others may blur the lines because they view borders as morally arbitrary in general, so the legal distinction doesn’t matter to them. There's also a political advantage in simplifying the debate and evoking emotional responses. In reality, there's a clear difference between welcoming people through a legal process and opposing uncontrolled or undocumented entry. It’s not anti-immigrant to expect people to come legally. That’s a standard every country in the world maintains.

 

[Correll]

It’s worth pointing out that opposition to illegal immigration is often unfairly labeled as anti-immigrant, when in fact many people, including Trump, have consistently said they support legal immigration. As far as I can tell, the conflation of legal and illegal immigration seems to happen for a few reasons. Some on the left use it as a rhetorical strategy. By framing any immigration enforcement as anti-immigrant, they can cast their opponents as xenophobic, regardless of the actual policy details. Others may blur the lines because they view borders as morally arbitrary in general, so the legal distinction doesn’t matter to them. There's also a political advantage in simplifying the debate and evoking emotional responses. In reality, there's a clear difference between welcoming people through a legal process and opposing uncontrolled or undocumented entry. It’s not anti-immigrant to expect people to come legally. That’s a standard every country in the world maintains.

More to the point, it is completely reasonable and legitimate to have an ANTI-IMMIGRATION policy position,

and thus, taht is not an "irrational fear" and only an asshole would conflatet that with any "xenophobia".

Really, anyone that plays that game, should face...harsh...pushback.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Xenophobia exists for a reason. I am not saying this is a good or a bad thing, but when you have a large group of people taking advantage of the immigration system, getting unfair advantages, spreading drugs and crime, you are going to have a lot of resentment for it.

 

[Crepitus]

It’s worth pointing out that opposition to illegal immigration is often unfairly labeled as anti-immigrant, when in fact many people, including Trump, have consistently said they support legal immigration. As far as I can tell, the conflation of legal and illegal immigration seems to happen for a few reasons. Some on the left use it as a rhetorical strategy. By framing any immigration enforcement as anti-immigrant, they can cast their opponents as xenophobic, regardless of the actual policy details. Others may blur the lines because they view borders as morally arbitrary in general, so the legal distinction doesn’t matter to them. There's also a political advantage in simplifying the debate and evoking emotional responses. In reality, there's a clear difference between welcoming people through a legal process and opposing uncontrolled or undocumented entry. It’s not anti-immigrant to expect people to come legally. That’s a standard every country in the world maintains.

More excuse-making.

Boring.

 

[Anomalism]

More excuse-making.

Boring.

I'm starting to think your views are just a bunch of rhetoric with no substance or backbone.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It doesn't matter. You cross into this nation illegally you have to go.

 

[Anomalism]

It doesn't matter. You cross into this nation illegally you have to go.

The law should be followed, I agree. Otherwise, why have a law? Like I said in the OP, every nation on Earth has immigration laws. You can't just expect people to be okay with people breaking them. They exist for a reason.

 

[MisterBeale]

What the folks that desire unfettered illegal entry of migrants, or the abolition of borders fail to realize, there is only two ways to do this. . .


Entirely dispense with all government, or create a global government that makes policy for the entire planet.

Otherwise, supporting open borders is just looking the other way to the operation of a black market.

. . and most intelligent folks know the crime and tragedy which results from the operation of black markets.

And if they don't? They ought to seek out Ross and ask him.

The DELETED Ross Ulbricht Prison Interview (2021)​

 

[MisterBeale]

I'm starting to think your views are just a bunch of rhetoric with no substance or backbone.

That's S.O.P. for subversives that want to burn down society.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The law should be followed, I agree. Otherwise, why have a law? Like I said in the OP, every nation on Earth has immigration laws. You can't just expect people to be okay with people breaking them. They exist for a reason.

Then people should stop bitching when the laws are enforced

Come here illegally you get sent back

 

[Correll]

Xenophobia exists for a reason. I am not saying this is a good or a bad thing, but when you have a large group of people taking advantage of the immigration system, getting unfair advantages, spreading drugs and crime, you are going to have a lot of resentment for it.

If there are valid reasons to be against the immigration taking place,


then using a term that defines opposition to it, as an "irrational fear"


is at best, a mistake and more likely an ASSHOLE MOVE.

 

[whitehall]

The argument is based on the erroneous assumption that people who sneak into the U.S. are "immigrants" rather than criminals.

 

[Anomalism]

If there are valid reasons to be against the immigration taking place,


then using a term that defines opposition to it, as an "irrational fear"


is at best, a mistake and more likely an ASSHOLE MOVE.

Either way, it's even more unreasonable to use that label against somebody that only opposes illegal immigration, no? To suggest somebody is xenophobic because they want people to follow the law is outrageous.

 

[Correll]

Either way, it's even more unreasonable to use that label against somebody that only opposes illegal immigration, no? To suggest somebody is xenophobic because they want people to follow the law is outrageous.

Both moves are bad faith moves by assholes who are dishonestly trying to hide thier true motives for the policy positions they hold.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Open ended question? It depends.

Is it fair to conflate immigration enforcement with xenophobia?​

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It’s worth pointing out that opposition to illegal immigration is often unfairly labeled as anti-immigrant, when in fact many people, including Trump, have consistently said they support legal immigration. As far as I can tell, the conflation of legal and illegal immigration seems to happen for a few reasons. Some on the left use it as a rhetorical strategy. By framing any immigration enforcement as anti-immigrant, they can cast their opponents as xenophobic, regardless of the actual policy details. Others may blur the lines because they view borders as morally arbitrary in general, so the legal distinction doesn’t matter to them. There's also a political advantage in simplifying the debate and evoking emotional responses. In reality, there's a clear difference between welcoming people through a legal process and opposing uncontrolled or undocumented entry. It’s not anti-immigrant to expect people to come legally. That’s a standard every country in the world maintains.

Some Xenos Deserve to Be Phobed

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

More to the point, it is completely reasonable and legitimate to have an ANTI-IMMIGRATION policy position,



Really, anyone that plays that game, should face...harsh...pushback.

The Ambidextrous Right

The only "harsh pushback" is to assert that there is nothing wrong with xenophobia, as conveniently defined as mere suspicion of foreigners. Why accept the degenerate pushover ethics of the Multicultie snobs?

A French HeirHead invented the phrase "noble savage." "Noble" itself should have never become a compliment.


There were many indications that 9/11 would happen, but our self-appointed Deciders were afraid of being called "Islamophobes." Out of phobia-phobia, they backed off investigating the clues.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

I frankly don't care if it is or not. If you're in this country illegally, you should be deported. Someone wants to call me a xenophobe, go right ahead, I really could care less.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

If there are valid reasons to be against the immigration taking place,


then using a term that defines opposition to it, as an "irrational fear"


is at best, a mistake and more likely an ASSHOLE MOVE.

You know when you are ruled by criminals, when enforcing the law and talking about the importance of law, offends people.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No question that Trump is a criminal president like Saul Bellow was a criminal lawyer.