Is healthcare a right? why or why not?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

sorry to rock your world but we don't have anything like free market health care. Thats when people shop with their own money, prices are published, and providers compete on basis of price and quality. It would lower prices 80% and add 10-20 years to our life spans. Make sense now?

Doctors are going to jump at the chance to see you in their office for forty bucks.

So much of the money that doctors make is from patients with chronic diseases such as asthma, COPD, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc. There is always a need to monitor these patients. If you pay doctors 40 dollars a visit, they will see most of them twice as often.

the future of medicine( like cars) is new sensors from your body or car to a computer managed by Watson. The sooner we let capitalist innovation come to bear the sooner we can cut medical costs down to nothing!!

 

[IResist]

Do you also believe adequate food is right? Housing? Transportation? Internet access? What is your criteria for what should be a "right" and what shouldn't?

I feel like if those aren't rights, they should all be affordable and accessible.

How is that different?

Do you also believe adequate food is right? Housing? Transportation? Internet access? What is your criteria for what should be a "right" and what shouldn't?

I feel like if those aren't rights, they should all be affordable and accessible.

How is that different?

If I may I'd like to add my own opinion, which is that you shouldn't have a right to something you have to pay for. As a society we can make food, housing, health care, etc, an entitlement which is given and regulated by the gov't and can be taken away as necessary. But I can't see declaring any service or commodity that must be paid for by somebody as as a right.

It is a right if we all subsidize each other through taxpayer dollars. That's how it goes. We the taxpayers pay into Social Security and Medicare. We pay into healthcare to subsidize the sick. Every other industrialized country has figured it out because they got on board that healthcare is a right. As long as we have free market healthcare, we are going to lag behind other countries in terms of healthcare systems and we won't be winning. I believe it is a right as nobody should be turned away for treatment and for profit healthcare is inhumane.

 

[Flopper]

Whether healthcare is a right or not is a silly question because, a right means different things to different people.

Obamacare failed to control cost simple because the insurance pools did not contain enough healthy people to offset the cost of those with serious conditions. Removing the mandatory requirements will only drive the cost higher. Now Trump is threatening to remove subsidies for the poorest of the poor if he doesn't get his border wall money and the House is trying to get support of the far right by cutting government support even further.

The bottom line is the deficiencies in Obamacare coupled with Republican changes will drive premiums through the ceiling. This will make single payer far more attractive to individuals, businesses. and those on government subsidies.

 

[IResist]

I would say that while Obamacare isn't perfect, it has also saved lives. Rates were rising faster before the ACA and replacement proposals included defunding emergency rooms and eliminating preexisting condition protections.

A healthy populous is a productive populous. People are alive today because of Obamacare. From what I read of other countries models, maybe they aren't perfect across the board, but they seem to be better systems than what America has had.

 

[Political Junky]

I can imagine what Jesus would say.

 

[Political Junky]

No, it's not a freakin' "right".

Whenever somebody wants something, they claim they have a freakin' "right" to it. The word is overused.

Health care for everyone is not a "right". It is, however, good economics and a moral obligation of an advanced society.
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The ninth amendment to constitution states that that there are other rights that may exist aside from the ones explicitly mentioned, and even though they are not listed, it does not mean they can be violated. There are federal or state laws that recognize a right to privacy, right to an education, and right to vote. We have far more rights than those enshrined in the constitution.

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No, it's not a freakin' "right".

Whenever somebody wants something, they claim they have a freakin' "right" to it. The word is overused.

Health care for everyone is not a "right". It is, however, good economics and a moral obligation of an advanced society.
.

The ninth amendment to constitution states that that there are other rights that may exist aside from the ones explicitly mentioned, and even though they are not listed, it does not mean they can be violated. There are federal or state laws that recognize a right to privacy, right to an education, and right to vote. We have far more rights than those enshrined in the constitution.

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The Constitution doesn’t mention education and the Supreme Court has concluded that education is not a fundamental right under it.

The Supreme Court resolved this issue 40 years ago in a case about the means of financing the public elementary and secondary schools in San Antonio, Texas, called San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodriguez (1973).

By a 5-4 decision, with Justice Lewis Powell writing for the majority, the court found that “the Texas system does not operate to the peculiar disadvantage of any suspect class” and that education “is not among the rights afforded explicit protection under our Federal Constitution. Nor do we find any basis for saying it is implicitly so protected.”

Which might explain why every country that beats the US in education recognizes every child's right to an education and more importantly, centralizes education policy as a key focus of the nation. In this country, the qualify of a child's education depends on each state and local school district, a system that guarantees a wide disparity in qualify and relatively poor overall results.

The US once could be proud of our schools.

 

[IResist]

No, it's not a freakin' "right".

Whenever somebody wants something, they claim they have a freakin' "right" to it. The word is overused.

Health care for everyone is not a "right". It is, however, good economics and a moral obligation of an advanced society.
.

The ninth amendment to constitution states that that there are other rights that may exist aside from the ones explicitly mentioned, and even though they are not listed, it does not mean they can be violated. There are federal or state laws that recognize a right to privacy, right to an education, and right to vote. We have far more rights than those enshrined in the constitution.

Ninth Amendment - Kids | Laws.com

No, it's not a freakin' "right".

Whenever somebody wants something, they claim they have a freakin' "right" to it. The word is overused.

Health care for everyone is not a "right". It is, however, good economics and a moral obligation of an advanced society.
.

The ninth amendment to constitution states that that there are other rights that may exist aside from the ones explicitly mentioned, and even though they are not listed, it does not mean they can be violated. There are federal or state laws that recognize a right to privacy, right to an education, and right to vote. We have far more rights than those enshrined in the constitution.

Ninth Amendment - Kids | Laws.com

The Constitution doesn’t mention education and the Supreme Court has concluded that education is not a fundamental right under it.

The Supreme Court resolved this issue 40 years ago in a case about the means of financing the public elementary and secondary schools in San Antonio, Texas, called San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodriguez (1973).

By a 5-4 decision, with Justice Lewis Powell writing for the majority, the court found that “the Texas system does not operate to the peculiar disadvantage of any suspect class” and that education “is not among the rights afforded explicit protection under our Federal Constitution. Nor do we find any basis for saying it is implicitly so protected.”

Which might explain why every country that beats the US in education recognizes every child's right to an education and more importantly, centralizes education policy as a key focus of the nation. In this country, the qualify of a child's education depends on each state and local school district, a system that guarantees a wide disparity in qualify and relatively poor overall results.

The US once could be proud of our schools.

Well, the most educated states in the country went blue, the least educated went red. Not to mention the only states which had problems with Medicaid expansion were the ones that fought it.

 

[Political Junky]

The costs aren't so great right now that Canada is unable to provide great single payer health care that is funded by taxpayers. Already Canadians are living longer than Americans, as a result of universal health coverage. I pay just under 600 bucks per year to cover me and the kids. It's good value, because insurance companies aren't driving the costs

You can purchase private health insurance Canada, can't you?

I have a private policyfor the extras, yes, for me and the kids

Is that $600 per year for your private plan?

The supplemental plan costs me $200/ month for me and the kids

It covers prescriptions, dental and other stuff not covered by our health system

It's great that it's available to Canadians.

 

[Political Junky]

No, it's not a freakin' "right".

Whenever somebody wants something, they claim they have a freakin' "right" to it. The word is overused.

Health care for everyone is not a "right". It is, however, good economics and a moral obligation of an advanced society.
.

The ninth amendment to constitution states that that there are other rights that may exist aside from the ones explicitly mentioned, and even though they are not listed, it does not mean they can be violated. There are federal or state laws that recognize a right to privacy, right to an education, and right to vote. We have far more rights than those enshrined in the constitution.

Ninth Amendment - Kids | Laws.com

No, it's not a freakin' "right".

Whenever somebody wants something, they claim they have a freakin' "right" to it. The word is overused.

Health care for everyone is not a "right". It is, however, good economics and a moral obligation of an advanced society.
.

The ninth amendment to constitution states that that there are other rights that may exist aside from the ones explicitly mentioned, and even though they are not listed, it does not mean they can be violated. There are federal or state laws that recognize a right to privacy, right to an education, and right to vote. We have far more rights than those enshrined in the constitution.

Ninth Amendment - Kids | Laws.com

The Constitution doesn’t mention education and the Supreme Court has concluded that education is not a fundamental right under it.

The Supreme Court resolved this issue 40 years ago in a case about the means of financing the public elementary and secondary schools in San Antonio, Texas, called San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodriguez (1973).

By a 5-4 decision, with Justice Lewis Powell writing for the majority, the court found that “the Texas system does not operate to the peculiar disadvantage of any suspect class” and that education “is not among the rights afforded explicit protection under our Federal Constitution. Nor do we find any basis for saying it is implicitly so protected.”

Which might explain why every country that beats the US in education recognizes every child's right to an education and more importantly, centralizes education policy as a key focus of the nation. In this country, the qualify of a child's education depends on each state and local school district, a system that guarantees a wide disparity in qualify and relatively poor overall results.

The US once could be proud of our schools.

Well, the most educated states in the country went blue, the least educated went red. Not to mention the only states which had problems with Medicaid expansion were the ones that fought it.

The Right thinks we should only have trade schools. You can see why the wealthy promote that thinking.

 

[dblack]

If I may I'd like to add my own opinion, which is that you shouldn't have a right to something you have to pay for. As a society we can make food, housing, health care, etc, an entitlement which is given and regulated by the gov't and can be taken away as necessary. But I can't see declaring any service or commodity that must be paid for by somebody as as a right.

Exactly. What they're really saying with "health care is a right" is, "government should control health care".

 

[Flopper]

If I may I'd like to add my own opinion, which is that you shouldn't have a right to something you have to pay for. As a society we can make food, housing, health care, etc, an entitlement which is given and regulated by the gov't and can be taken away as necessary. But I can't see declaring any service or commodity that must be paid for by somebody as as a right.

Exactly. What they're really saying with "health care is a right" is, "government should control health care".

Healthcare services are always controlled by someone. Your employer picks your insurance company. Your insurance company decides what doctors you can see. Then your doctor decides on a treatment. Then your insurance company decides whether they will approve the treatment. The service providers decides if they will accept your insurance as payment for treatment.

I have been on Medicare for a number of years as has my wife, siblings, and mother and father when they were a live. We have never had a problem getting services approved or finding good doctors and hospitals that accept Medicare.

When I had employee sponsored insurance we changed insurance companies every 3 or 4 years, different networks, different doctors, and different rules. When we traveled we were out of network. When the specialist didn't get the referral, we couldn't see the doctor. At one time my wife needed to see a neurosurgeon. It took 4 months to get an appointment because the insurance company only had 3 in their network. Doctors would enter and leave the network and we never knew who we could see without calling the insurance company. And when I had to change employers, it was another mess.

We had individual insurance for one year when I was self employed. There was only two companies to choose some from. We completed a 28 page medical questionnaire and a medical exam for myself and each dependent. They rejected my oldest daughter because she had asthma and allergies and she went into a high risk pool waiting list and she no insurance for that year.

Government control is nothing compared to insurance companies running the show which is exactly where congress is headed with healthcare.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Government control is nothing compared to insurance companies running the show which is exactly where congress is headed with healthcare.

insurance companies or any companies in a capitalist system spend billions trying to figure out how to please their current customers and potential new customers. It is the only way to survive. This is why capitalism is so beautiful. Too bad stupid stupid liberals made healthcare insurance capitalism illegal in 1946 with McCaren Ferguson!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If I may I'd like to add my own opinion, which is that you shouldn't have a right to something you have to pay for. As a society we can make food, housing, health care, etc, an entitlement which is given and regulated by the gov't and can be taken away as necessary. But I can't see declaring any service or commodity that must be paid for by somebody as as a right.

Exactly. What they're really saying with "health care is a right" is, "government should control health care".

yes health care is right which really means you have a right to steal it from others!! This is the liberal philosophy on everything. It's a perfect way to destroy everyone's incentive to work. Its how USSR and Red China slowly starved 120 million to death.

 

[IResist]

Capitalism isn't beautiful. It's predatory. Doctors would still get paid under a national healthcare system through our tax dollars.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Capitalism isn't beautiful. It's predatory..

100% stupid and liberal. Try going into business as a predator and see how well you do. Try going into business with a great product that everyone loves and see how well you do?

See why we have to conclude that liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. Doctors would still get paid under a national healthcare system through our tax dollars.

so??? do you have any idea what your point is???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Capitalism isn't beautiful. It's predatory..

China just switched to capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of the planets poverty. Thats predatory when socialism starved 60 million to death in China?? Slow?????

 

[IResist]

Capitalism isn't beautiful. It's predatory..

100% stupid and liberal. Try going into business as a predator and see how well you do. Try going into business with a great product that everyone loves and see how well you do?

See why we have to conclude that liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

You know who predators are? Insurance companies. They care about profit, not about health. Nationalizing healthcare insures everyone has it as they should. We have capitalism with many impoverished.

People can't love the product if it's an obscene amount. That's why a national healthcare system is needed and insurance companies must be eliminated.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You know who predators are? Insurance companies. They care about profit, not about health.

why display your ignorance first??? That would be like saying Tesla cares about profits not whether your car runs. How long would they survive with that attitude in a Republican capitalist economy?? If you want insurance companies to care about health you have to deregulate them and let them compete.

China just deregulated to capitalism and instantly eliminated 40% of the entire planets poverty. Now do you understand? I pride myself on making things easy enough to understand so that even a liberal can understand. Please tell me I"m correct.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. We have capitalism with many impoverished.
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hate to rock your world but Medicare, Medicaid, Schip, TriiCare, IHS, community clinics etc are not capitalist. Please tell me you understand???