Is he even President anymore?

[Eric Stratton]

Good grief. The lengths a liberal will go to have something to complain about with Trump. I don't know how they will be able to harness all that hatred when he's gone. I guess they will take it out on innocent people that don't think like they do.

After he leaves the White House, if he simply fades into the sunset idiot libs will whine that he's avoiding the American people, the press, etc.

If he doesn't fade into the sunset those same dipshit libs will whine that he won't go away...

Oh have no fear This trump cancer is not going away ,,not when he has 70 million suckers on the hook

Coming from a bottom feeding carp like you, that really means a lot.

Bottom feeding?? You wouldn't believe the truth

You wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face.

How many of the 1000's of lies the moron you support spouted do you believe ? You think we turned the corner?? lol

I would ask you the same about the 100,000's of lies from Zippy the Pinhead (aka Obama), HRC and Demented Joe? How many do you believe? Is this going somewhere?

 

[Orangecat]

and ex republican

Post lobotomy, obviously.

 

[MaryAnne11]

Good grief. The lengths a liberal will go to have something to complain about with Trump. I don't know how they will be able to harness all that hatred when he's gone. I guess they will take it out on innocent people that don't think like they do.

Dude....they're communists.
They lie compulsively.
Everything they say is 180 from the truth.

Yes, we know Trump and Republicans never lie!

 

[bendog]

Here's the part liberals don't understand. It doesn't matter if it's Trump or any other Republican nominee, it's about the values that are embraced by the Republican Party. For the most part, we don't have anything in common with any of the inane utopic liberal policies. Vote Republican for the future of America. Vote Democrat for the destruction of America.

Well, you espouse Trumpism and the racist right at it's worst. And not to call you a racist, but Trump has lumped a lot of people in with them because he embraces 1) their agenda and 2) an appeal that "it can only be us."

Social Sec/Medicare, Terrorism, Education, interstates, trade … all these issues were negotiated by the two parties to consensus before Trump, and we had the biggest, most efficient economy, the biggest baddest military in the solar system, and children from around the world were begging us to let them come here and pay 3x tuition.

 

[MaryAnne11]

‘Is he even president anymore?’ Loser Trump ‘more or less abandoning his job to sulk in the White House’

rump has basically given up on doing the job that he’s hoping to hang onto through legal challenges, according to multiple reporters.
The president has been largely holed up inside the White House with no public events on his schedule and focusing on efforts to challenge his election loss to Joe Biden and punish disloyal officials.
“The administration is not talking about a coronavirus relief package at all,” Politico’s Jake Sherman told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “There needs to be money to distribute this vaccine, legislation, laws in place, a mechanism to inoculate our country from this horrible virus and this administration, I wrote this in ‘Playbook’ this morning, is he even president anymore? He’s not in public, not on Capitol Hill, not doing any of the things he needs to do even from a bare bones level.”
“I’m in the Capitol every day,” he added. “I haven’t seen a member of the administration in talks with Congress with the leadership for days, weeks, since before the election. So it’s just a stunning level of kind of just silence. It’s like when bars go up on the TV. It’s stunning. I don’t know if it’s ever going to end, and frankly, the president is pushed along by people like Lindsey Graham, who offered 15 different excuses for why Donald Trump might be president. Kevin McCarthy said yesterday we don’t know the results of the election, but allowed it’s driving towards a Joe Biden victory. He’s in a bubble, alternate reality.”

Associated Press reporter Jonathan Lemire agreed, and he said Republicans are growing nervous that this dereliction of duty could cost their Senate majority in Georgia’s runoff elections.
“There is a concern that this utter inaction, this now two weeks of the president more or less abandoning his job to sulk in the White House, is maybe hurting them,” Lemire said, “is going to hurt their voters, depress excitement there, that are not sure this is going to animate them like so many Republicans on Capitol Hill believe.”

Trump knows nothing about public service and public policy; he doesn’t care about public service and public policy.

There are fundamental responsibilities a president must meet, separate and apart from politics, a political agenda, and political ideology – Trump has failed to meet those responsibilities.

Not really. Politicians are what you describe. I liked Trump's "fuck the swamp" attitude.

And now we have a cesspool instead of the swamps! Gee, thanks!

 

[Agit8r]

He's melting down, eliminating people who dare to contradict him, attacking everyone else, denying the obvious, running with every conspiracy.

This is a very, very unstable moment. I'm glad we have serious, intelligent, capable people keeping an eye on our adversaries.

Worst of all, this isn't a surprise.

It is true. We all saw this coming a mile away. I suspect the worst is yet to come

 

[Eric Stratton]

Here's the part liberals don't understand. It doesn't matter if it's Trump or any other Republican nominee, it's about the values that are embraced by the Republican Party. For the most part, we don't have anything in common with any of the inane utopic liberal policies. Vote Republican for the future of America. Vote Democrat for the destruction of America.

Well, you espouse Trumpism and the racist right at it's worst. And not to call you a racist, but Trump has lumped a lot of people in with them because he embraces 1) their agenda and 2) an appeal that "it can only be us."

Social Sec/Medicare, Terrorism, Education, interstates, trade … all these issues were negotiated by the two parties to consensus before Trump, and we had the biggest, most efficient economy, the biggest baddest military in the solar system, and children from around the world were begging us to let them come here and pay 3x tuition.

Well that would be your opinion on the economy and military. You have some low standards in those areas it appears to me. With respect to education, Common core, the suppression of conservative ideas, the federal threat under Zippy the Pinhead (aka Obama) to cut school funding if your didn't have transgender bathrooms all equates to horse excrement in the end. Standing on those values is a very unstable platform.

 

[AntonToo]

They lie compulsively.
Everything they say is 180 from the truth.

Thas is a really amazing post by a Trumpster.

How is that "stolen election" bullshit coming along mr.Alt-Truther?

 

[Eric Stratton]

‘Is he even president anymore?’ Loser Trump ‘more or less abandoning his job to sulk in the White House’

rump has basically given up on doing the job that he’s hoping to hang onto through legal challenges, according to multiple reporters.
The president has been largely holed up inside the White House with no public events on his schedule and focusing on efforts to challenge his election loss to Joe Biden and punish disloyal officials.
“The administration is not talking about a coronavirus relief package at all,” Politico’s Jake Sherman told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “There needs to be money to distribute this vaccine, legislation, laws in place, a mechanism to inoculate our country from this horrible virus and this administration, I wrote this in ‘Playbook’ this morning, is he even president anymore? He’s not in public, not on Capitol Hill, not doing any of the things he needs to do even from a bare bones level.”
“I’m in the Capitol every day,” he added. “I haven’t seen a member of the administration in talks with Congress with the leadership for days, weeks, since before the election. So it’s just a stunning level of kind of just silence. It’s like when bars go up on the TV. It’s stunning. I don’t know if it’s ever going to end, and frankly, the president is pushed along by people like Lindsey Graham, who offered 15 different excuses for why Donald Trump might be president. Kevin McCarthy said yesterday we don’t know the results of the election, but allowed it’s driving towards a Joe Biden victory. He’s in a bubble, alternate reality.”

Associated Press reporter Jonathan Lemire agreed, and he said Republicans are growing nervous that this dereliction of duty could cost their Senate majority in Georgia’s runoff elections.
“There is a concern that this utter inaction, this now two weeks of the president more or less abandoning his job to sulk in the White House, is maybe hurting them,” Lemire said, “is going to hurt their voters, depress excitement there, that are not sure this is going to animate them like so many Republicans on Capitol Hill believe.”

Trump knows nothing about public service and public policy; he doesn’t care about public service and public policy.

There are fundamental responsibilities a president must meet, separate and apart from politics, a political agenda, and political ideology – Trump has failed to meet those responsibilities.

Not really. Politicians are what you describe. I liked Trump's "fuck the swamp" attitude.

And now we have a cesspool instead of the swamps! Gee, thanks!

You liberal stooges have done your best to try to keep this country in chaos for 4 years. Don't shy away from taking credit for the shitstorm it has become.

 

[Eric Stratton]

They lie compulsively.
Everything they say is 180 from the truth.

This is a really amazing post by a Trumpster.

Absolutely ZERO awareness.

You are so "woke" madam.

 

[MaryAnne11]

‘Is he even president anymore?’ Loser Trump ‘more or less abandoning his job to sulk in the White House’

rump has basically given up on doing the job that he’s hoping to hang onto through legal challenges, according to multiple reporters.
The president has been largely holed up inside the White House with no public events on his schedule and focusing on efforts to challenge his election loss to Joe Biden and punish disloyal officials.
“The administration is not talking about a coronavirus relief package at all,” Politico’s Jake Sherman told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “There needs to be money to distribute this vaccine, legislation, laws in place, a mechanism to inoculate our country from this horrible virus and this administration, I wrote this in ‘Playbook’ this morning, is he even president anymore? He’s not in public, not on Capitol Hill, not doing any of the things he needs to do even from a bare bones level.”
“I’m in the Capitol every day,” he added. “I haven’t seen a member of the administration in talks with Congress with the leadership for days, weeks, since before the election. So it’s just a stunning level of kind of just silence. It’s like when bars go up on the TV. It’s stunning. I don’t know if it’s ever going to end, and frankly, the president is pushed along by people like Lindsey Graham, who offered 15 different excuses for why Donald Trump might be president. Kevin McCarthy said yesterday we don’t know the results of the election, but allowed it’s driving towards a Joe Biden victory. He’s in a bubble, alternate reality.”

Associated Press reporter Jonathan Lemire agreed, and he said Republicans are growing nervous that this dereliction of duty could cost their Senate majority in Georgia’s runoff elections.
“There is a concern that this utter inaction, this now two weeks of the president more or less abandoning his job to sulk in the White House, is maybe hurting them,” Lemire said, “is going to hurt their voters, depress excitement there, that are not sure this is going to animate them like so many Republicans on Capitol Hill believe.”

You can't live without him (Trump) can you? Seems to me most democrats have been hanging by Donald Trump's every word for about five years. Don't worry, child—orange man not going nowhere; he can still hear your prayers.

This thread isn't about hanging on Trump's words. This is about him doing the job he was elected for. Which for the last two weeks has included golfing and holing himself up in the residency of the WH tweeting, watching OAN and Newsmax, and stewing in the fact that he lost..badly. I can understand if he doesn't even want to pretend to be interested in the job anymore. He lost. For a man with his ego, that's huge blow to his persona. So if he doesn't want to do the job anymore, then GTFO. Slink back to Florida. Let Pence figure out how to issue your pardon. Plan your 2024 comback..if you're not fending off lawsuit after lawsuit.

But what a relief it has been not to hear the bloviating braggart

 

[Eric Stratton]

‘Is he even president anymore?’ Loser Trump ‘more or less abandoning his job to sulk in the White House’

rump has basically given up on doing the job that he’s hoping to hang onto through legal challenges, according to multiple reporters.
The president has been largely holed up inside the White House with no public events on his schedule and focusing on efforts to challenge his election loss to Joe Biden and punish disloyal officials.
“The administration is not talking about a coronavirus relief package at all,” Politico’s Jake Sherman told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.” “There needs to be money to distribute this vaccine, legislation, laws in place, a mechanism to inoculate our country from this horrible virus and this administration, I wrote this in ‘Playbook’ this morning, is he even president anymore? He’s not in public, not on Capitol Hill, not doing any of the things he needs to do even from a bare bones level.”
“I’m in the Capitol every day,” he added. “I haven’t seen a member of the administration in talks with Congress with the leadership for days, weeks, since before the election. So it’s just a stunning level of kind of just silence. It’s like when bars go up on the TV. It’s stunning. I don’t know if it’s ever going to end, and frankly, the president is pushed along by people like Lindsey Graham, who offered 15 different excuses for why Donald Trump might be president. Kevin McCarthy said yesterday we don’t know the results of the election, but allowed it’s driving towards a Joe Biden victory. He’s in a bubble, alternate reality.”

Associated Press reporter Jonathan Lemire agreed, and he said Republicans are growing nervous that this dereliction of duty could cost their Senate majority in Georgia’s runoff elections.
“There is a concern that this utter inaction, this now two weeks of the president more or less abandoning his job to sulk in the White House, is maybe hurting them,” Lemire said, “is going to hurt their voters, depress excitement there, that are not sure this is going to animate them like so many Republicans on Capitol Hill believe.”

You can't live without him (Trump) can you? Seems to me most democrats have been hanging by Donald Trump's every word for about five years. Don't worry, child—orange man not going nowhere; he can still hear your prayers.

This thread isn't about hanging on Trump's words. This is about him doing the job he was elected for. Which for the last two weeks has included golfing and holing himself up in the residency of the WH tweeting, watching OAN and Newsmax, and stewing in the fact that he lost..badly. I can understand if he doesn't even want to pretend to be interested in the job anymore. He lost. For a man with his ego, that's huge blow to his persona. So if he doesn't want to do the job anymore, then GTFO. Slink back to Florida. Let Pence figure out how to issue your pardon. Plan your 2024 comback..if you're not fending off lawsuit after lawsuit.

But what a relief it has been not to hear the bloviating braggart

Nonsense. Obama will never STFU.

 

[AntonToo]

They lie compulsively.
Everything they say is 180 from the truth.

This is a really amazing post by a Trumpster.

Absolutely ZERO awareness.

You are so "woke" madam.

Nothing "woke" about recognizing Trump's pathetic, pathological, never ending lies or the insane stupidity of the people that eat it up and ask for more.

How is that "stolen election" bullshit working out for you?

 

[Eric Stratton]

They lie compulsively.
Everything they say is 180 from the truth.

This is a really amazing post by a Trumpster.

Absolutely ZERO awareness.

You are so "woke" madam.

Nothing "woke" about recognizing Trump's pathetic, pathological, never ending lies or the inane stupidity of the people that eat it up and ask for more.

How that "stolen election" bullshit working out for you?

I've never said he was going to win after election night. You have some Obama bullshit on your chin, by the way. Pathetic liberal booger eater.

 

[AntonToo]

They lie compulsively.
Everything they say is 180 from the truth.

This is a really amazing post by a Trumpster.

Absolutely ZERO awareness.

You are so "woke" madam.

Nothing "woke" about recognizing Trump's pathetic, pathological, never ending lies or the inane stupidity of the people that eat it up and ask for more.

How that "stolen election" bullshit working out for you?

I've never said he was going to win after election night. You have some Obama bullshit on your chin, by the way. Pathetic liberal booger eater.

You never said? Good on you, but Trump did say he won and we have a big chunk of this country beliving his lies about how it was stolen from him.

But hey, tell me again about how he is not a pathological liar. Tell me again how you are not giving him a pass for his grotesque bs.

 

[eddiew37]

After he leaves the White House, if he simply fades into the sunset idiot libs will whine that he's avoiding the American people, the press, etc.

The only thing I want to hear about the Orange Fraud after Jan 20 is that he's been convicted and is about to be sentenced.Other than that he's dead to me

Convicted of what?

Ask the AG of NY,,,, there are a few charges that will keep the scum up at night

No, dumbfuck, I'm asking you. You're the one saying he'll be convicted, so tell me what you think he'll be convicted for? What charges is he facing?

A LAUNDRY LIST
ut federal charges aren’t the likeliest way that The People v. Donald J. Trump will play out. State laws aren’t subject to presidential pardons, and they cover a host of crimes beyond those committed in the White House. When it comes to charging a former president, state attorneys general and county prosecutors can go places a U.S. Attorney can’t.
According to legal experts, the man most likely to drag Trump into court is the district attorney for Manhattan, Cyrus Vance  Jr. It’s a surprising scenario, given Vance’s well-deserved reputation as someone who has gone easy on the rich and famous. After taking office in 2010, he sought to reduce Jeffrey Epstein’s status as a sex offender, dropped an investigation into whether Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump  Jr. had committed fraud in the marketing of the Trump Soho, and initially decided not to prosecute Harvey Weinstein despite solid evidence of his sex crimes. “He has a reputation for being particularly cautious when it comes to going after rich people, because he knows that those are the ones who can afford the really formidable law firms,” says Victoria Bassetti, a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice who served on the team of lawyers that oversaw the Senate impeachment trial of Bill Clinton. “And like most prosecutors, Vance is exceptionally protective of his win-loss rate.”
But it was Vance who stepped up when the federal case against Trump faltered. “He’s a politician,” observes Martin Sheil, a former IRS criminal investigator. “He’s got his finger up. He knows which way the wind’s blowing, and he knows the wind in New York is blowing against Trump. It’s in his political interest to join that bandwagon.”
Last year, after U.S. Attorneys in the Southern District dropped their investigation into the hush money that Trump had paid Stormy Daniels, Vance took up the case. Suspecting that l’affaire Stormy might prove to be part of a larger pattern of shady dealings, his office started digging into Trump’s finances. What Vance is investigating, according to court filings, is evidence of “extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization,” potentially involving bank fraud, tax fraud, and insurance fraud. The New York Times has detailed how Trump and his family have long falsified records to avoid taxes, and during testimony before Congress in 2019, Trump’s longtime fixer Michael Cohen stated that Trump had inflated the value of his assets to obtain a bank loan.
Crucially, all of these alleged crimes occurred before Trump took office. That means no claims of executive privilege would apply to any charges Vance might bring, and no presidential pardon could make them go away. A whole slew of potential objections and delays would be ruled out right off the bat. What’s more, the alleged offenses took place less than six years ago, within the statute of limitation for fraud in New York. Vance, in other words, is free to go after Trump not as a crooked president but as a common crook who happened to get elected president. And the fact that he has been pursuing these cases while Trump is president is a sign that he won’t be intimidated by the stature of the office after Trump leaves it.
In writing up an indictment against Trump, Vance’s team could try to string together a laundry list of offenses in hopes of presenting an overwhelming wall of guilt. But that approach, experts warn, can become confusing. “A two- or three-count indictment is easier to explain to a jury,” says Ilene Jaroslaw, a former assistant U.S. Attorney. “If they think the person had criminal intent, it doesn’t matter if it’s two counts or 20 counts, in most cases, because the sentence will be the same.”
There are two main charges that Vance is likely to pursue. The first is falsifying business records (N.Y. Penal Law § 175.10). During Cohen’s trial, federal prosecutors filed a sentencing memorandum that explained how the Trump Organization had mischaracterized hush-money payments as “legal expenses” in its bookkeeping. Under New York law, falsifying records by itself is only a misdemeanor, but if it results in the commission of another crime, it becomes a felony. And false business records frequently lead to another offense: tax fraud (N.Y. Tax Law § 1806).
If Trump cooked his books, observes Sheil, that false information would essentially “flow into the tax returns.” The first crime begets the second, making both the bookkeeper and the tax accountant liable. “Since you have several folks involved,” Sheil says, “you could either bring a conspiracy charge, maximum sentence five years, or you could charge each individual with aiding and abetting the preparation of a false tax return, with a max sentence of three years.”
To build a fraud case against Trump, Vance subpoenaed his financial records. But those records alone won’t be enough: To secure a conviction, Vance will need to convince a jury not only that Trump cheated on his taxes but that he intended to do so. “If you just have the documents, the defense will say that defendant didn’t have criminal intent,” Jaroslaw explains. “I call it the ‘I’m an idiot’ defense: ‘I made a mistake. I didn’t mean to do anything.’ ” Unfortunately for Trump, both Cohen and his longtime accountant, Allen Weisselberg, have already signaled their willingness to cooperate with prosecutors. “What’s great about having an accountant in the witness stand is that they can tell you about the conversation they had with the client,” Jaroslaw says.

Through appeals, Trump has managed to drag out the battle over his tax returns. The case has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, back down to the district court, and back up to the appeals court. But Trump has lost at every stage, and it appears that his appeals could be exhausted this fall. Once Vance gets the tax returns, Eisen estimates, he could be ready to indict Trump as early as the second quarter of 2021.
Sheil, for one, believes Vance may already have Trump’s financial records. It’s routine procedure, he notes, for criminal tax investigators working with the Manhattan DA to obtain personal and business tax returns that are material to their inquiry. But issuing a subpoena to Trump’s accountants may have been a way to signal to them that they could face criminal charges themselves unless they cooperate in the investigation.
Once indicted, Trump would be arraigned at New York Criminal Court, a towering Art Deco building at 100 Centre Street. Since a former president with a Secret Service detail can hardly slip away unnoticed, he would likely not be required to post bail or forfeit his passport while awaiting trial. His legal team, of course, would do everything it could to draw out the proceedings. Filing appeals has always been just another day at the office for Trump, who, by some estimates, has faced more than 4,000 lawsuits during the course of his career. But this time, his legal liability would extend to numerous other state and local jurisdictions, which will also be building cases against him. “There’s like 1,037 other things where, if anybody put what he did under a microscope, they would probably find an enormous amount of financial improprieties,” says Scott Shapiro, director of the Center for Law and Philosophy at Yale University.
Even accounting for legal delays, many experts predict that Trump would go to trial in Manhattan by 2023. The proceedings would take place at the New York State Supreme Court Building. Assuming that the judge was prepared for an endless barrage of motions and objections from Trump’s defense team, the trial might move quite quickly — no longer than a few months, according to some legal observers. And given the convictions that have been handed down against many of Trump’s top advisers, there’s reason to believe that even pro-Trump jurors can be persuaded to convict him. “The evidence was overwhelming,” concluded one MAGA supporter who served on the jury that convicted Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman. “I did not want [him] to be guilty. But he was, and no one is above the law.”
Trump’s conviction would seal the greatest downfall in American politics since Richard Nixon. Unlike his associates who were sentenced to prison on federal charges, Trump would not be eligible for a presidential pardon or commutation, even from himself. And while his lawyers would file every appeal they can think of, none of it would spare Trump the indignity of imprisonment. Unlike the federal court system, which often allows prisoners to remain free during the appeals process, state courts tend to waste no time in carrying out punishment. After someone is sentenced in New York City, their next stop is Rikers Island. Once there, as Trump awaited transfer to a state prison, the man who’d treated the presidency like a piggy bank would receive yet another handout at the public expense: a toothbrush and toothpaste, bedding, a towel, and a green plastic cup.
*This article appears in the September 14, 2020, issue of New York
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[eddiew37]

After he leaves the White House, if he simply fades into the sunset idiot libs will whine that he's avoiding the American people, the press, etc.

The only thing I want to hear about the Orange Fraud after Jan 20 is that he's been convicted and is about to be sentenced.

Other than that he's dead to me

Convicted of what?

Ask the AG of NY,,,, there are a few charges that will keep the scum up at night

No, dumbfuck, I'm asking you. You're the one saying he'll be convicted, so tell me what you think he'll be convicted for? What charges is he facing?

Now trump assface Cannon Do you understand?

 

[bendog]

After he leaves the White House, if he simply fades into the sunset idiot libs will whine that he's avoiding the American people, the press, etc.

The only thing I want to hear about the Orange Fraud after Jan 20 is that he's been convicted and is about to be sentenced.

Other than that he's dead to me

Convicted of what?

Ask the AG of NY,,,, there are a few charges that will keep the scum up at night

No, dumbfuck, I'm asking you. You're the one saying he'll be convicted, so tell me what you think he'll be convicted for? What charges is he facing?

The AG of NY????? Oh no, you di-int!!!!!!! She's Homo Cuomo's "hey girl"

There's no point of even attempting rational conversation with you, if you can make not only that homophonic juvenile "jab" but also display your ignorance of the facts of the investigation. Not that I really give a rat's ass if Trump is found to have cheated on his NY state taxes and has to pay fines. Although, it might help make sure he consigned to lobbing in bs ideas from the sidelines … like a Lou Dobbs or Samantha Bee

 

[bendog]

After he leaves the White House, if he simply fades into the sunset idiot libs will whine that he's avoiding the American people, the press, etc.

The only thing I want to hear about the Orange Fraud after Jan 20 is that he's been convicted and is about to be sentenced.Other than that he's dead to me

Convicted of what?

Ask the AG of NY,,,, there are a few charges that will keep the scum up at night

No, dumbfuck, I'm asking you. You're the one saying he'll be convicted, so tell me what you think he'll be convicted for? What charges is he facing?

A LAUNDRY LIST
ut federal charges aren’t the likeliest way that The People v. Donald J. Trump will play out. State laws aren’t subject to presidential pardons, and they cover a host of crimes beyond those committed in the White House. When it comes to charging a former president, state attorneys general and county prosecutors can go places a U.S. Attorney can’t.
According to legal experts, the man most likely to drag Trump into court is the district attorney for Manhattan, Cyrus Vance  Jr. It’s a surprising scenario, given Vance’s well-deserved reputation as someone who has gone easy on the rich and famous. After taking office in 2010, he sought to reduce Jeffrey Epstein’s status as a sex offender, dropped an investigation into whether Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump  Jr. had committed fraud in the marketing of the Trump Soho, and initially decided not to prosecute Harvey Weinstein despite solid evidence of his sex crimes. “He has a reputation for being particularly cautious when it comes to going after rich people, because he knows that those are the ones who can afford the really formidable law firms,” says Victoria Bassetti, a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice who served on the team of lawyers that oversaw the Senate impeachment trial of Bill Clinton. “And like most prosecutors, Vance is exceptionally protective of his win-loss rate.”
But it was Vance who stepped up when the federal case against Trump faltered. “He’s a politician,” observes Martin Sheil, a former IRS criminal investigator. “He’s got his finger up. He knows which way the wind’s blowing, and he knows the wind in New York is blowing against Trump. It’s in his political interest to join that bandwagon.”
Last year, after U.S. Attorneys in the Southern District dropped their investigation into the hush money that Trump had paid Stormy Daniels, Vance took up the case. Suspecting that l’affaire Stormy might prove to be part of a larger pattern of shady dealings, his office started digging into Trump’s finances. What Vance is investigating, according to court filings, is evidence of “extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization,” potentially involving bank fraud, tax fraud, and insurance fraud. The New York Times has detailed how Trump and his family have long falsified records to avoid taxes, and during testimony before Congress in 2019, Trump’s longtime fixer Michael Cohen stated that Trump had inflated the value of his assets to obtain a bank loan.
Crucially, all of these alleged crimes occurred before Trump took office. That means no claims of executive privilege would apply to any charges Vance might bring, and no presidential pardon could make them go away. A whole slew of potential objections and delays would be ruled out right off the bat. What’s more, the alleged offenses took place less than six years ago, within the statute of limitation for fraud in New York. Vance, in other words, is free to go after Trump not as a crooked president but as a common crook who happened to get elected president. And the fact that he has been pursuing these cases while Trump is president is a sign that he won’t be intimidated by the stature of the office after Trump leaves it.
In writing up an indictment against Trump, Vance’s team could try to string together a laundry list of offenses in hopes of presenting an overwhelming wall of guilt. But that approach, experts warn, can become confusing. “A two- or three-count indictment is easier to explain to a jury,” says Ilene Jaroslaw, a former assistant U.S. Attorney. “If they think the person had criminal intent, it doesn’t matter if it’s two counts or 20 counts, in most cases, because the sentence will be the same.”
There are two main charges that Vance is likely to pursue. The first is falsifying business records (N.Y. Penal Law § 175.10). During Cohen’s trial, federal prosecutors filed a sentencing memorandum that explained how the Trump Organization had mischaracterized hush-money payments as “legal expenses” in its bookkeeping. Under New York law, falsifying records by itself is only a misdemeanor, but if it results in the commission of another crime, it becomes a felony. And false business records frequently lead to another offense: tax fraud (N.Y. Tax Law § 1806).
If Trump cooked his books, observes Sheil, that false information would essentially “flow into the tax returns.” The first crime begets the second, making both the bookkeeper and the tax accountant liable. “Since you have several folks involved,” Sheil says, “you could either bring a conspiracy charge, maximum sentence five years, or you could charge each individual with aiding and abetting the preparation of a false tax return, with a max sentence of three years.”
To build a fraud case against Trump, Vance subpoenaed his financial records. But those records alone won’t be enough: To secure a conviction, Vance will need to convince a jury not only that Trump cheated on his taxes but that he intended to do so. “If you just have the documents, the defense will say that defendant didn’t have criminal intent,” Jaroslaw explains. “I call it the ‘I’m an idiot’ defense: ‘I made a mistake. I didn’t mean to do anything.’ ” Unfortunately for Trump, both Cohen and his longtime accountant, Allen Weisselberg, have already signaled their willingness to cooperate with prosecutors. “What’s great about having an accountant in the witness stand is that they can tell you about the conversation they had with the client,” Jaroslaw says.

Through appeals, Trump has managed to drag out the battle over his tax returns. The case has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, back down to the district court, and back up to the appeals court. But Trump has lost at every stage, and it appears that his appeals could be exhausted this fall. Once Vance gets the tax returns, Eisen estimates, he could be ready to indict Trump as early as the second quarter of 2021.
Sheil, for one, believes Vance may already have Trump’s financial records. It’s routine procedure, he notes, for criminal tax investigators working with the Manhattan DA to obtain personal and business tax returns that are material to their inquiry. But issuing a subpoena to Trump’s accountants may have been a way to signal to them that they could face criminal charges themselves unless they cooperate in the investigation.
Once indicted, Trump would be arraigned at New York Criminal Court, a towering Art Deco building at 100 Centre Street. Since a former president with a Secret Service detail can hardly slip away unnoticed, he would likely not be required to post bail or forfeit his passport while awaiting trial. His legal team, of course, would do everything it could to draw out the proceedings. Filing appeals has always been just another day at the office for Trump, who, by some estimates, has faced more than 4,000 lawsuits during the course of his career. But this time, his legal liability would extend to numerous other state and local jurisdictions, which will also be building cases against him. “There’s like 1,037 other things where, if anybody put what he did under a microscope, they would probably find an enormous amount of financial improprieties,” says Scott Shapiro, director of the Center for Law and Philosophy at Yale University.
Even accounting for legal delays, many experts predict that Trump would go to trial in Manhattan by 2023. The proceedings would take place at the New York State Supreme Court Building. Assuming that the judge was prepared for an endless barrage of motions and objections from Trump’s defense team, the trial might move quite quickly — no longer than a few months, according to some legal observers. And given the convictions that have been handed down against many of Trump’s top advisers, there’s reason to believe that even pro-Trump jurors can be persuaded to convict him. “The evidence was overwhelming,” concluded one MAGA supporter who served on the jury that convicted Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman. “I did not want [him] to be guilty. But he was, and no one is above the law.”
Trump’s conviction would seal the greatest downfall in American politics since Richard Nixon. Unlike his associates who were sentenced to prison on federal charges, Trump would not be eligible for a presidential pardon or commutation, even from himself. And while his lawyers would file every appeal they can think of, none of it would spare Trump the indignity of imprisonment. Unlike the federal court system, which often allows prisoners to remain free during the appeals process, state courts tend to waste no time in carrying out punishment. After someone is sentenced in New York City, their next stop is Rikers Island. Once there, as Trump awaited transfer to a state prison, the man who’d treated the presidency like a piggy bank would receive yet another handout at the public expense: a toothbrush and toothpaste, bedding, a towel, and a green plastic cup.
*This article appears in the September 14, 2020, issue of New York
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At most he'll owe a few million in back taxes.

BUT more importantly, his tax returns may be public, and we may find out whether he'll admit in legal document to owing Moscow and Bejing hundreds of millions.

 

[Eric Stratton]

They lie compulsively.
Everything they say is 180 from the truth.

This is a really amazing post by a Trumpster.

Absolutely ZERO awareness.

You are so "woke" madam.

Nothing "woke" about recognizing Trump's pathetic, pathological, never ending lies or the inane stupidity of the people that eat it up and ask for more.

How that "stolen election" bullshit working out for you?

I've never said he was going to win after election night. You have some Obama bullshit on your chin, by the way. Pathetic liberal booger eater.

You never said? Good on you, but Trump did say he won and we have a big chunk of this country beliving his lies about how it was stolen from him.

But hey, tell me again about how he is not a pathological liar. Tell me again how you are not giving him a pass for his grotesque bs.

I'll put it to you like this. when he was running against Hillary, I said we had a choice between syphilis and gonorreah. I'm not sure which one was which but I'm a Republican and an Arkansan. Not a chance in hell I was voting for HRC. I had business dealings with her when she was at the Rose Law Firm. One heinous bitch that would lie to her priest during confession.
So I vote for the future of America, even if that is Trump or whoever represents the Republican Party. If I wanted to destroy America, I would vote Democrat.