Zone1 Is current scientific empirical evidence required to have faith that God exists?

[alang1216]

I am not sure I follow. The only way faith is strengthened is through non-religious forces. Going to church is not living one's faith any more than going grocery shopping is the same thing as food energizing the body.

I was just positing that the positive reinforcement of living in a community of the faithful would make one feel their faith was real. Of course I have no faith so I'm just guessing.

 

[Meriweather]

I was just positing that the positive reinforcement of living in a community of the faithful would make one feel their faith was real. Of course I have no faith so I'm just guessing.

Faith, in my experience, is a solitary journey. Ten people in my family, and every day we went out the door to ten different lives. How applied our faith in ten different ways. Think of any sports team you may have been on. Everyone gathers for the game, but then they go their separate ways. Even as a team, each player is focused on something different, has a different responsibility.

In addition, living the Christian faith entails a great deal of "Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing."

 

[alang1216]

In addition, living the Christian faith entails a great deal of "Not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing."

Sounds scary.

 

[Meriweather]

Sounds scary.

The reality is daring, not scary.

 

[hadit]

Is current scientific empirical evidence required to have faith that God exists? I get comments all the time that we should not have faith in an invisible God. Or, prove to us that your invisible God exists. Even though we state that it's up to God to decide to appear to any of us and thus we cannot just make God not invisible. So, is it possible that the concept of invisibility really does exist and can be done by mankind too?
I've been reading up on these things. Gregory J. Gbur wrote a book, "Invisibility: The History and Science of How Not to Be Seen" that suggests invisibility is possible and to some extent has been accomplished. However, we are at the beginnings of understanding this and also the science behind it. The concept of "Cloaking" has been around for decades and brought more to our attention through science fiction like Star Trek. Is it too much for atheists and those scientists that demand God to make Himself visible before we believe in him. Given time, we will have that knowledge to Cloak. And, what if in the 25th Century, we can cloak others minds to keep from seeing things around them? Certainly these things are beyond our capability now, but why not in 400 or 800 years from now? Something God can already do to us by having a "veil" placed over our minds so that we cannot see Him or the things of Heaven unless He wants us to. Thoughts of oh ye of little faith?

Absolutely not, as the scientific method can't prove or disprove God's existence. The scientific method relies on repeatability, IOW, given a certain set of circumstances X, result Y will happen. God is a sovereign being not under the control of circumstances, so attempting to force Him to do a trick doesn't work.

 

[alang1216]

The reality is daring, not scary.

OK for you but it is not my reality.

 

[Woodznutz]

Faith boils down to confidence that the laws of God (as updated by Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit) are the only way to live. The measure of the strength of your faith in the law is revealed by the extent and diligence that you live by them.

 

[alang1216]

Faith boils down to confidence that the laws of God (as updated by Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit) are the only way to live. The measure of the strength of your faith in the law is revealed by the extent and diligence that you live by them.

Devout Jews and Muslims also have faith.

 

[Cougarbear]

Absolutely not, as the scientific method can't prove or disprove God's existence. The scientific method relies on repeatability, IOW, given a certain set of circumstances X, result Y will happen. God is a sovereign being not under the control of circumstances, so attempting to force Him to do a trick doesn't work.

Your answer is correct. However, that doesn’t move the needle any. My point was to bring in something unexpected by atheists that they knew exists but hope no one noticed. Invisibility is possible call it cloaking or other physic’s possibly. This busts the call to show us God and we will believe. Notice you haven’t seen the athiests non-believers comment.

 

[Meriweather]

OK for you but it is not my reality.

I thought you said you weren't part of any faith or faith community? What is your reality?

 

[alang1216]

I thought you said you weren't part of any faith or faith community? What is your reality?

Skepticism. If I can't see or prove it for myself, I generally don't believe it.

 

[Meriweather]

Skepticism. If I can't see or prove it for myself, I generally don't believe it.

We are alike in that regard.

 

[alang1216]

We are alike in that regard.

Maybe but I think we would disagree as to what constitutes proof or evidence. In studying the natural world, I can replicate any scientist's experiment and duplicate their findings for my own eyes. That is not possible for the supernatural world.

 

[Meriweather]

Maybe but I think we would disagree as to what constitutes proof or evidence. In studying the natural world, I can replicate any scientist's experiment and duplicate their findings for my own eyes. That is not possible for the supernatural world.

No, we both totally agree with what you said above. Where we may differ is I see no need to give up exploring the spiritual realm because of the lack of physical proof or being able to duplicate results.

 

[Leo123]

Belief does not require evidence