Is a 1911 Tougher than a Glock? Ultimate 1911 vs. Glock Torture Test | Ep.1

[DonGlock26]

1911 vs Glock? This is a conversation from 1980.

I think they are both plenty tough. There will be an episode 2 video.

 

[DonGlock26]

I might also point out some troubling concerns looking at that picture. From the granularity of the break, that does not look like milled billet steel but cast steel, or steel that was improperly quenched.

I think a milled steel frame is probably the strongest frame you can get. The Glock slide rides on steel rails. The classic Sig pistols have aluminum frames and the slides ride on aluminum rails which can crack. Then again the US Navy SEALs used the Sig P226 for years after Beretta slides cracked ( a steel alloy issue and probably the use of hot 9mm ammo).

Glock's polymer frames use a nylon based polymer with additives to reduce UV damage.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I think they are both plenty tough. There will be an episode 2 video.

1911s are fundamentally UNTOUGH. They are hangar queens in comparison to modern firearms, even don't drop me 320s.

 

[westwall]

I might also point out some troubling concerns looking at that picture. From the granularity of the break, that does not look like milled billet steel but cast steel, or steel that was improperly quenched.

Made in Brazil, so cast.

 

[para bellum]

Made in Brazil, so cast.

SA says those are forged slides, the somewhat large grain may be typical of 416R Q&T. It's a fairly high temp quench, about the same as you would do with 4140.

There may have been an inclusion in there, 416 is also susceptible to cold temperature cracking. No way to tell the cause of the failure without a proper analysis.

 

[westwall]

SA says those are forged slides, the somewhat large grain may be typical of 416R Q&T. It's a fairly high temp quench, about the same as you would do with 4140.

There may have been an inclusion in there, 416 is also susceptible to cold temperature cracking. No way to tell the cause of the failure without a proper analysis.

They can say what they want, but a forged slide won't shatter like that one did.

 

[para bellum]

They can say what they want, but a forged slide won't shatter like that one did.

I've done plenty of failure analysis on forged tools, they will definitely break in a number of modes.

With Stainless, I always look for galling first. It look like there is a crack where the guide rod fits.

You have a SS frame and slide, if the rails aren't properly lubricated it's going to gall up and basically friction weld itself, at least pitting and big inclusions in the surface.

I Can't tell in that pic what actually happened. It looks like the slide was welded in battery when it was fired.

 

[DonGlock26]

You have a SS frame and slide, if the rails aren't properly lubricated it's going to gall up and basically friction weld itself, at least pitting and big inclusions in the surface.

Yep. A stainless steel framed Sig Sauer definitely needs grease.

 

[westwall]

I've done plenty of failure analysis on forged tools, they will definitely break in a number of modes.

With Stainless, I always look for galling first. It look like there is a crack where the guide rod fits.

You have a SS frame and slide, if the rails aren't properly lubricated it's going to gall up and basically friction weld itself, at least pitting and big inclusions in the surface.

I Can't tell in that pic what actually happened. It looks like the slide was welded in battery when it was fired.

They will, but there is a shear plane to them, there is no shear on that slide. It simply shattered.

 

[para bellum]

They will, but there is a shear plane to them, there is no shear on that slide. It simply shattered.

It's a pretty clean break. The frame rails will tell the story.

I would expect to see pitting and galling on both the slide and the frame. It went into battery one last time and got stuck, and the next round separated the slide at the inclusions.

That would be my best guess without better pics.

I doubt a factory defect, it's standard practice to do a mag particle check and that would show any cracks from the quench.

 

[Grau]

how so? glock has no parts to break if you install a NY1, it's loose to the point mud and sand don't jam it up and it's super simple internally, parts are also reasonable to replace and easy to replace

why are cops not using 1911's?

it's been replaced by something better, cheaper yet more durable

progress, that is how it works

1911 is also very heavy with a stainless frame

the 45 ACP is large but slow

in vietnam they jammed all the time

Gaston Glock just built a better mouse trap

Re: in vietnam they jammed all the time.

When I served in Laos 50+ years ago, I never experienced or heard that complaint with the 1911 I was issued. Virtually all malfunctions in semi autos / select fire firearms are magazine related.

I like the one Glock I've got (Mod. 26) but am more familiar with the 1911.

Ultimately, the "best" handgun is the one with which you are most proficient; don't you think?

Thanks,

 

[egp320i]

When I served in Laos 50+ years ago, I never experienced or heard that complaint with the 1911 I was issued. Virtually all malfunctions in semi autos / select fire firearms are magazine related.

I like the one Glock I've got (Mod. 26) but am more familiar with the 1911.

Ultimately, the "best" handgun is the one with which you are most proficient; don't you think?

Thanks,

yes certainly. not trying to bash the 1911, it has it's place in history, it was the sidearm for 4 wars
glock just built a better mousetrap

HK, sig, S&W all are using polymer frames, they can be custom made to sizes, lightweight and they can take the elements

there are vids out there of a people freezing a glock in a block of ice, breaking the ice and the gun fired the first time, no issues

 

[para bellum]

Ultimately, the "best" handgun is the one with which you are most proficient; don't you think?

I had a girlfriend who was a naval architect at the shipyard in Bremerton. She was a tiny little thing- all of 95 lbs soaking wet.

I would take her out shooting, I'd bring a selection of guns from a PPK on up. Revolvers and pistols, .38's and .357's, .41 Mag, .44 Mag, 9mm and .45 autos, TC Contender. Always had a trunk full.

Of all my handguns, she would always grab the 8" S&W M29 .44 Mag.

I asked her why she liked the freaking hand cannon? The grip was way too large for her hands- she said it was because she always hits what she aimed at!

Well, that's a good reason! She was right too- she never missed with that thing...

 

[egp320i]

I had a girlfriend who was a naval architect at the shipyard in Bremerton. She was a tiny little thing- all of 95 lbs soaking wet.

I would take her out shooting, I'd bring a selection of guns from a PPK on up. Revolvers and pistols, .38's and .357's, .41 Mag, .44 Mag, 9mm and .45 autos, TC Contender. Always had a trunk full.

Of all my handguns, she would always grab the 8" S&W M29 .44 Mag.

I asked her why she liked the freaking hand cannon? The grip was way too large for her hands- she said it was because she always hits what she aimed at!

Well, that's a good reason! She was right too- she never missed with that thing...

I have a S&W .44, ported and the kick is not too bad but yes, it's accurate
I also shot my brother S&W .50, thought my wrist would break but no, it was actually kinda mild
heavy frame helps, also makes it you need a shoulder strap to carry or it would pull your pants down

at maybe 40 feet or so I nailed a log with buffalo bore 400 something grain, the log took off flying

 

[westwall]

I shoot my S&W Model 57 out to 400 yards. You should try it. It will take you a few hundred rounds to figure out holdover but then you will surprise yourself with how accurate they are at range.

 

[egp320i]

I shoot my S&W Model 57 out to 400 yards. You should try it. It will take you a few hundred rounds to figure out holdover but then you will surprise yourself with how accurate they are at range.

hold up, telling me you shoot a handgun out to 400 yards? you would need to aim for the sky and hope it drop down with some serious math calculations

even a .300 win mag out to 400 is not easy even with a good scope due to deviation unless you are a trained sharp shooter

handguns are designed for short range backup to your rifle, don't see how that will change anytime soon

 

[para bellum]

I shoot my S&W Model 57 out to 400 yards. You should try it. It will take you a few hundred rounds to figure out holdover but then you will surprise yourself with how accurate they are at range.

My M57 was the most accurate handgun I've ever owned. Wish I still had that one.

Never shot it at those ranges, but at 80 yards it was a tack driver.

 

[westwall]

hold up, telling me you shoot a handgun out to 400 yards? you would need to aim for the sky and hope it drop down with some serious math calculations

even a .300 win mag out to 400 is not easy even with a good scope due to deviation unless you are a trained sharp shooter

handguns are designed for short range backup to your rifle, don't see how that will change anytime soon

Yes, I shoot my handguns long range all of the time. When my eyes were good I could stretch it out to 500 yards. Now my eyes aren't good enough for that far, but 400?

You betcha!

I am left eye dominant, but right handed, so I learned to shoot with both eyes open from the very start.

That helps with long range shooting.

 

[egp320i]

Yes, I shoot my handguns long range all of the time. When my eyes were good I could stretch it out to 500 yards. Now my eyes aren't good enough for that far, but 400?

You betcha!

I am left eye dominant, but right handed, so I learned to shoot with both eyes open from the very start.

That helps with long range shooting.

no handgun round and make it that far, it would be in the dirt

even a fairly flat round like the 5.7 I doubt would make it that far either

I also am left eye and right handed and I am a better aim if I shut my eye

I can't shoot an open sight rifle to hit a barn even with my left eye closed it seems off

• Handgun Type:
  • Revolvers and Semi-Automatics:
    • Small caliber pistols (like .22 LR): Generally accurate up to about 25-50 yards for skilled shooters.
    • Medium calibers (9mm, .40 S&W): Effective range for average shooters might be 25-50 yards, with skilled shooters potentially hitting bullseyes at 75 yards or more.
    • Larger calibers (like .45 ACP): Similar to medium calibers, though bullet drop and wind can affect accuracy more significantly at longer ranges.

 

[westwall]

Ummm, you need to do some basic ballistic research my friend. A .41 mag projectile will easily travel a mile. With a 6" barrel I am guessing with a 41 degree hold, it would make it about a mile and a third.

You should get yourself a copy of Ed McGiverns "Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting".

Published in the 1930s he was the first practitioner of long range pistol shooting. With his S&W .357 magnum he engaged military targets at 600 yards and obtained a 51% hit rate.

The shooting world is vast, and you will be amazed at what you find when you start looking.