Is a 1911 Tougher than a Glock? Ultimate 1911 vs. Glock Torture Test | Ep.1

[egp320i]

Historical Context and Feats:

• Ed McGivern: A legendary shooter from the early 20th century, McGivern claimed to have hit targets at 600 yards with a revolver, including with a .357 Magnum. However, these feats were under controlled conditions, with the shooter often using specialized techniques, like shooting from a prone or supported position, and with custom or specially modified firearms.

claimed is the key word here, I can claim I hit a dove flying at 50 yards with my 9mm but is it truth or a fabrication?

 

[Grau]

I had a girlfriend who was a naval architect at the shipyard in Bremerton. She was a tiny little thing- all of 95 lbs soaking wet.

I would take her out shooting, I'd bring a selection of guns from a PPK on up. Revolvers and pistols, .38's and .357's, .41 Mag, .44 Mag, 9mm and .45 autos, TC Contender. Always had a trunk full.

Of all my handguns, she would always grab the 8" S&W M29 .44 Mag.

I asked her why she liked the freaking hand cannon? The grip was way too large for her hands- she said it was because she always hits what she aimed at!

Well, that's a good reason! She was right too- she never missed with that thing...

Your former girlfriend sounds like a "live wire" and a fun girl.
It takes quite a bit of self discipline to shoot full power .44 Magnum loads, accurately.

Since I'm a blacksmith (some people say "artist") who is about 6' 2" and 265 pounds, I'm fairly comfortable with full power .44 Magnum loads and never really found a reason for the .41 Magnum or .357 Magnum especially if you reload your own ammunition.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't see where it is productive to compare the 1911 in .45 acp to either the Glock Mod. 19 or Mod 21 since the 1911 is so very different from the more modern Glocks.

That brings us back to the "best" handgun being the one with which you are most proficient.

Thanks,

 

[Grau]

yes certainly. not trying to bash the 1911, it has it's place in history, it was the sidearm for 4 wars
glock just built a better mousetrap

HK, sig, S&W all are using polymer frames, they can be custom made to sizes, lightweight and they can take the elements

there are vids out there of a people freezing a glock in a block of ice, breaking the ice and the gun fired the first time, no issues

I don't think that the Glocks in .45 ACP are as much a "...better mousetrap" as a more modern "mousetrap".

As you know, the Glock Mod. 19 and Mod. 21 both have a higher magazine capacity, rails for flashlights, laser sights etc however, I've been shooting 1911s for over 60 years and just feel more comfortable with well made variations on the 1911's design.

Thanks,

 

[egp320i]

I don't think that the Glocks in .45 ACP are as much a "...better mousetrap" as a more modern "mousetrap".

As you know, the Glock Mod. 19 and Mod. 21 both have a higher magazine capacity, rails for flashlights, laser sights etc however, I've been shooting 1911s for over 60 years and just feel more comfortable with well made variations on the 1911's design.

Thanks,

actually the glock in .45 is not that popular and I recall had some early issues, they excel with 9MM, their bread and butter

if you want to get close to 45 with a glock you want a 10mm

better mousetrap was in reference to all modern guns being polymer vs stainless frames which most employ now

 

[M14 Shooter]

if you want to get close to 45 with a glock you want a 10mm

10mm is the perfect auto round.
So glad there's a number to choose from - used to be you could only get Glocks, EAAs and Delta Elites.

 

[westwall]

Historical Context and Feats:

• Ed McGivern: A legendary shooter from the early 20th century, McGivern claimed to have hit targets at 600 yards with a revolver, including with a .357 Magnum. However, these feats were under controlled conditions, with the shooter often using specialized techniques, like shooting from a prone or supported position, and with custom or specially modified firearms.

claimed is the key word here, I can claim I hit a dove flying at 50 yards with my 9mm but is it truth or a fabrication?

The shooting was witnessed by MANY hundreds to thousands of people over the many years he put on demonstrations. Keep reading. There's lots more for you to learn.

Ad Topperwein shooting aerial targets with everything from a .22 rifle all the way up to a full auto BAR.

Back in the old days shooters were performers, they went around the country doing demonstrations.

If they "claimed it" it was WITNESSED by hundreds to thousands of people.

 

[westwall]

10mm is the perfect auto round.
So glad there's a number to choose from - used to be you could only get Glocks, EAAs and Delta Elites.

Yeah, I have been giving my Dan Wesson Kodiak a work out. Giving my poor Delta Elite a bit of a rest. I have around 20,000 rounds through that one.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yeah, I have been giving my Dan Wesson Kodiak a work out. Giving my poor Delta Elite a bit of a rest. I have around 20,000 rounds through that one.

Wow. Spendy.
I have a 5" RIA double-stack 1911 in 10mm. Big grips, heavy gun. A little picky on ammo, but it shoots really well.

 

[Grau]

actually the glock in .45 is not that popular and I recall had some early issues, they excel with 9MM, their bread and butter

if you want to get close to 45 with a glock you want a 10mm

better mousetrap was in reference to all modern guns being polymer vs stainless frames which most employ now

Thanks for responding.

I'm curious as to why you seem to oppose getting a Glock in .45 ACP (Mod. 19 & Mod. 21)

I like the 1 Glock I've got (9mm, Mod. 25) but I prefer the larger calibers like .45 ACP over the 10 mm simply because .45 ACP is more plentiful and likely to be easier to find if and when supplies dry up due to government meddling, Zombie Apocalypse etc.

I'm very happy with the HK45 I've got and hope to get a suppressor for it.
Any suggestions?

Do you agree with my reasoning for .45 ACP over 10 mm?

Thanks again,

 

[Zincwarrior]

M&Ps here. I have more than five of them, and the FPS carbine. Love it!

 

[M14 Shooter]

I like the 1 Glock I've got (9mm, Mod. 25) but I prefer the larger calibers like .45 ACP over the 10 mm simply because .45 ACP is more plentiful and likely to be easier to find if and when supplies dry up due to government meddling, Zombie Apocalypse etc.

True - 10mm is not a USGI round, so supplies may be limited.
That said, it is currently -easy- to get and no more costly than 45.

Solution: But both, use the 10mm until you run our of ammo.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Solution: But both, use the 10mm until you run our of ammo.

You mean a 10MM, not a 40 S&W. Er, for what purpose? Do you live in bear country? I have heard some use it as a defensive bear round.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You mean a 10MM, not a 40 S&W. Er, for what purpose?

Whatever you might use a full-size, full-power handgun for.
I EDC a M&P 2.0 in 10 once the weather turns cool enough for a jacket.

Do you live in bear country? I have heard some use it as a defensive bear round.

I don't; some do.

 

[westwall]

Wow. Spendy.
I have a 5" RIA double-stack 1911 in 10mm. Big grips, heavy gun. A little picky on ammo, but it shoots really well.

Still trying to figure out what the Kodiak likes. So far it is grouping 3.5-4 inches at 50 yards with Federal. But I feel it will do better.

 

[westwall]

Whatever you might use a full-size, full-power handgun for.
I EDC a M&P 2.0 in 10 once the weather turns cool enough for a jacket.

I don't; some do.

I do live in bear country, but I spend a lot of time in the deep desert. The 10mm is perfect because it reaches out a lot farther than the .45acp does.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Whatever you might use a full-size, full-power handgun for.
I EDC a M&P 2.0 in 10 once the weather turns cool enough for a jacket.

I don't; some do.

Interesting. Why a 10mm? Is it comped? Otherwise your split times between shots must be atrocious. Again this is a question not a criticism.

For clarity: carry: 9mm bog standard police gold dots. Competition, Atlanta Arms 9mm for majors, SuperVel for everything else generally.

 

[westwall]

You mean a 10MM, not a 40 S&W. Er, for what purpose? Do you live in bear country? I have heard some use it as a defensive bear round.

I use .40S&W as a concealed carry caliber. For open carry in the mountains or desert it's 10mm.

 

[Oddball]

The 1911 is the better projectile when you run out of ammo and need something to throw.

 

[westwall]

Interesting. Why a 10mm? Is it comped? Otherwise your split times between shots must be atrocious. Again this is a question not a criticism.

10mm is equivalent to .41 magnum in power in an auto. Split times aren't really affected if you practice.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I use .40S&W as a concealed carry caliber. For open carry in the mountains or desert it's 10mm.

That I can understand. You mentioned the extra range. In my younger days when I was hiking in the mountains north of LA (sadly may have recently burned) I would take an S&w 29 with hot loaded 44mag rounds.

10mm is equivalent to .41 magnum in power in an auto. Split times aren't really affected if you practice.

We'll agree to disagree on that.