Is a 1911 Tougher than a Glock? Ultimate 1911 vs. Glock Torture Test | Ep.1

I call BS, the glock did not melt from a hot car, more like in a fire with way more heat
ever read stories from AZ about LE having their guns melting? does not exist
many polymer plastics can actually take some extreme heat
General Range: The melting point of plastics can range from approximately 105°C to over 300°C (221°F to 572°F), depending on the specific polymer so that picture is totally false

if you allow your dog to chew on your gun you are a moron and probably should not own a firearm

mice have been known to chew metal that is salty from your sweat
You fil the BS test

No mouse can leave visible marks on gun metal
 
You fil the BS test

No mouse can leave visible marks on gun metal
yes they can because I saw it myself, the trigger guard chewed on when somebody left their sig under their bed in a cabin with no case. sounds crazy but it certainly can happen, mice can chew on anything

look up mice chewing on copper wires under the hood of vehicles left standing, they can damage plenty
 
I call BS, the glock did not melt from a hot car, more like in a fire with way more heat
ever read stories from AZ about LE having their guns melting? does not exist
many polymer plastics can actually take some extreme heat
General Range: The melting point of plastics can range from approximately 105°C to over 300°C (221°F to 572°F), depending on the specific polymer so that picture is totally false

if you allow your dog to chew on your gun you are a moron and probably should not own a firearm

mice have been known to chew metal that is salty from your sweat
I didn't say melt, I said delamination. It's a long process, but it never stops.

How many plastic things have you seen that have been exposed to long Sun exposure?

That's the point....you don't. Plenty of plastic things have been left in the desert, but you rarely see them. All sorts of metal and wood objects, but very little plastic.
Go to any small town in the desert, take a picture.

Count the objects. How many are plastic?
 
but Glocks just feel like a 2x4 in my hand.

Well to me, everything is about the feel. When I pick up a gun, if it doesn't feel like it was made for me literally molded to my hand like I squeezed a block of putty, then how it survives being run over by a locomotive does not matter.

If it passes that test, then I begin to look at design, features and other things.
 
Uhhhh, yeah. In 100 years the 1911 will still be functional. The Glock won't.

Steel is forged in furnaces from iron created in the cores of dying stars.
Zytel polyamide is just a nylon plastic forged in a test tube by a paint company.

The enemy of steel is rust. Rust can be prevented.
The enemy of plastic is time. Time cannot be prevented.

Steel wins over plastic every time.
 
I didn't say melt, I said delamination. It's a long process, but it never stops.

How many plastic things have you seen that have been exposed to long Sun exposure?

That's the point....you don't. Plenty of plastic things have been left in the desert, but you rarely see them. All sorts of metal and wood objects, but very little plastic.
Go to any small town in the desert, take a picture.

Count the objects. How many are plastic?
If I need a handgun now to defend my life I am not looking at some heirloom to pass on 50 years later, I want something quick, higher capacity and reliable
glock is the pinnacle of that right now, 1911 not at all that is why NO LE anywhere uses them

it's a classic handgun, it has it's place in history but history has passed it by, now it's collector item

progress and innovation, that's how it works, who knows what the next "glock" will be, maybe carbon fiber?
 
I didn't say melt, I said delamination. It's a long process, but it never stops.

How many plastic things have you seen that have been exposed to long Sun exposure?

That's the point....you don't. Plenty of plastic things have been left in the desert, but you rarely see them. All sorts of metal and wood objects, but very little plastic.
Go to any small town in the desert, take a picture.

Count the objects. How many are plastic?
so there are no plastic bottle or a yogurt carton around that is not degrading quickly as you say?

Types of Plastic and Decomposition Time:
  • Polyethylene (PE):
    • Low-Density Polyethylene (LDPE): Can take 450 years to decompose in a landfill.
    • High-Density Polyethylene (HDPE): Might take 200 to 300 years to break down.
  • Polypropylene (PP): Estimated to take 20 to 30 years in marine environments, but in landfills, it could be much longer, possibly hundreds of years.
  • Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC): Can take 450 to 1000 years to decompose.
  • Polystyrene (Styrofoam): Often cited to take 500 years or more to decompose.
  • PET (Polyethylene Terephthalate): Commonly found in plastic bottles, could take 450 years or more in a landfill environment.

this is plastic not nylon impregnated hybrid polymer
 
so there are no plastic bottle or a yogurt carton around that is not degrading quickly as you say?

Types of Plastic and Decomposition Time:
  • Polyethylene (PE):
    • Low-Density Polyethylene (LDPE): Can take 450 years to decompose in a landfill.
    • High-Density Polyethylene (HDPE): Might take 200 to 300 years to break down.
  • Polypropylene (PP): Estimated to take 20 to 30 years in marine environments, but in landfills, it could be much longer, possibly hundreds of years.
  • Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC): Can take 450 to 1000 years to decompose.
  • Polystyrene (Styrofoam): Often cited to take 500 years or more to decompose.
  • PET (Polyethylene Terephthalate): Commonly found in plastic bottles, could take 450 years or more in a landfill environment.

this is plastic not nylon impregnated hybrid polymer
Landfill environment means buried under ground. Thus not exposed to the Sun.
 
Steel is forged in furnaces from iron created in the cores of dying stars.
Zytel polyamide is just a nylon plastic forged in a test tube by a paint company.

The enemy of steel is rust. Rust can be prevented.
The enemy of plastic is time. Time cannot be prevented.

Steel wins over plastic every time.
True, and even rust isn't that big a deal on the surface. Hell bluing on guns is merely a controlled chemical rust. Once the surface is oxidized, it can't rust anymore in any measurable way.
 
you might be reading into this wrong, plenty of plastic bottles exposed to the sun, floating in the ocean and they will be there for centuries

modern handgun's don't use plastic, they use selective hybrid polymer chains

again, why are NO LE using the 1911 if it's so damn good? well the 45 is big but slow, it's freaking heavy, less rounds and without modification a heavy trigger pull

how many female cops do you think want to lug around a 1911........answer.........none.

it's now a collector item, take it out to shoot once in awhile and hand it down to your kids

it had it's day but that day is over and has been for 40+ years

I get you like it but reality is it's outdated now
 
glock has no parts to break ~~~ it's super simple internally,
I'm guessing that is simply because with plastic, you can mold a more complex part than can easily be done with a single piece of steel.

why are cops not using 1911's?
I'm guessing it is all about cost and weight. Much the same as how the transistor replaced tubes in most all apps, not because they were better, but because they were cheaper, smaller and lighter.

progress, that is how it works
You'd be surprised. More often that not, "progress" is defined by lowering cost (making more money), not because it is necessarily better. Look at the CD, it replaced the LP. I can tell you with absolute authority that the SPDIF 16-bit CD is NOT better than the LP, just a lot easier to get decent sound out of.

1911 is also very heavy with a stainless frame
BINGO.

the 45 ACP is large but slow
Have you tried ducking out of the way of one? There is also a lot to say about inertial mass.

in vietnam they jammed all the time
I will remember that the next time I plan to travel in the jungle of Vietnam.
I bet there are a lot of 1911s laying around passed down from grandfather to grandson.
I don't see a whole lot of original 80 year old Glocks being passed to the next generation.
I see Glocks more of a disposable gun.
 
you might be reading into this wrong, plenty of plastic bottles exposed to the sun, floating in the ocean and they will be there for centuries

modern handgun's don't use plastic, they use selective hybrid polymer chains

again, why are NO LE using the 1911 if it's so damn good? well the 45 is big but slow, it's freaking heavy, less rounds and without modification a heavy trigger pull

how many female cops do you think want to lug around a 1911........answer.........none.
No, they won't. The plastic in the oceans is micro plastic. Polymers ARE plastic, just by different names.

You love your Glock, great! Show me a 30 year old Glock that has seen a lot of use.

I have revolvers over 130 years old that I shoot regularly. Glocks won't last that long.
 
I'm guessing that is simply because with plastic, you can mold a more complex part than can easily be done with a single piece of steel.


I'm guessing it is all about cost and weight. Much the same as how the transistor replaced tubes in most all apps, not because they were better, but because they were cheaper, smaller and lighter.


You'd be surprised. More often that not, "progress" is defined by lowering cost (making more money), not because it is necessarily better. Look at the CD, it replaced the LP. I can tell you with absolute authority that the SPDIF 16-bit CD is NOT better than the LP, just a lot easier to get decent sound out of.


BINGO.


Have you tried ducking out of the way of one? There is also a lot to say about inertial mass.


I will remember that the next time I plan to travel in the jungle of Vietnam.
I bet there are a lot of 1911s laying around passed down from grandfather to grandson.
I don't see a whole lot of original 80 year old Glocks being passed to the next generation.
I see Glocks more of a disposable gun.
if it gets the job done now who cares if it's disposable? you want to risk your life to hand down a handgun to your kids?

glock has only been around since around 1986 so that would be impossible to have a 80 year old glock

your math is way off
 
if it gets the job done now who cares if it's disposable? you want to risk your life to hand down a handgun to your kids?

glock has only been around since around 1986 so that would be impossible to have a 80 year old glock

your math is way off
Like I said, show me a hard used Glock that's 30 years old.

I have MANY handguns that fought through World Wars. Still functioning fine.
 
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No, they won't. The plastic in the oceans is micro plastic. Polymers ARE plastic, just by different names.

You love your Glock, great! Show me a 30 year old Glock that has seen a lot of use.

I have revolvers over 130 years old that I shoot regularly. Glocks won't last that long.
actually there are documented cases of the 17 having over 100K round through it, are you telling me your seldom used revolver that is 130 years old has that many rounds?
unless it was used by LE it has a fraction of that and wheel guns are a tad bit different with wear and tear

usually when they get worn out the cylinder timing get off and they no longer fire
 
and you can always buy another lower and replace it in 10 minutes or less
Exactly. In a lifetime of heavy use, you will have essentially replaced most of your Glock one part at a time.

nylon filled polymer will last for a very long time
I have not read anything about the frames just degrading,
All plastics degrade over time just from molecular outgassing. Environmental stress from UV and mechanical use just accelerates that.
Go find any plastic toy from your childhood, the color has changed and it is brittle.
Plastic is not a stable material. Like glass, it merely deteriorates too slowly to see with the eye.
 
actually there are documented cases of the 17 having over 100K round through it, are you telling me your seldom used revolver that is 130 years old has that many rounds?
unless it was used by LE it has a fraction of that and wheel guns are a tad bit different with wear and tear

usually when they get worn out the cylinder timing get off and they no longer fire
The question was which one is tougher. Not cheaper, or lighter. But tougher.

A glock with 100,000 through it? Show me a picture, and provide the documentation.
 
Like I said, show me a hard used Glock that's 30 years old.

I have MANY handguns that fought through Works Wars. Still functioning fine.
 
Exactly. In a lifetime of heavy use, you will have essentially replaced most of your Glock one part at a time.


All plastics degrade over time just from molecular outgassing. Environmental stress from UV and mechanical use just accelerates that.
Go find any plastic toy from your childhood, the color has changed and it is brittle.
Plastic is not a stable material. Like glass, it merely deteriorates too slowly to see with the eye.
some discoloration is not my main concert, hey killer look my frame is slightly off color

glocks are like a timex, they just keep on working and that is what I want, I don't give a shit about superficial blemishes, my life is on the line I want what works and is reliable and so do the police hence no 1911 are used by anybody, they are a collector item now, simple as that
 

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