Is a 1911 Tougher than a Glock? Ultimate 1911 vs. Glock Torture Test | Ep.1

[Missourian]

This is a fun test. I'm biased being a Glock owner since the 1980's.
I've also carried a 1911 in the US Army.
Both pistols are impressive.

Is part of the torture test setting each near a campfire, then seeing which still fires and which stealthily transformed itself into a puddle of black goo?

 

[Missourian]

The most accurate 9mm I ever owned was a Star Model B. It was identical to a 1911 but had no grip safety.

Agree %.

Unfortunately the firing pin heat treatment is shit and replacements are getting rarer then hens teeth.

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[Missourian]

Agree %.

Unfortunately the firing pin heat treatment is shit and replacements are getting rarer then hens teeth.

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[egp320i]

Is part of the torture test setting each near a campfire, then seeing which still fires and which stealthily transformed itself into a puddle of black goo?

unless the campfire is over 600F near it neither will melt but you just might
no campfire gets that's hot unless you are right at the center
don't lay any handgun especially loaded right by any campfire

 

[Missourian]

unless the campfire is over 600F near it neither will melt but you just might
no campfire gets that's hot unless you are right at the center
don't lay any handgun especially loaded right by any campfire

More like 507°.



Just sayin'.

 

[egp320i]

More like 507°.

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many factors like how big and what wood is used, I have a stainless fire ring at my cabin and I can sit close and my shoes don't melt and my pants don't start on fire and I certainly would not place my $600 handgun right on the rim, only a moron would do that

99% scenario any modern polymer frame handgun is just fine for what it's designed to do

glock is the grand daddy, all other's just followed

 

[Missourian]

many factors like how big and what wood is used, I have a stainless fire ring at my cabin and I can sit close and my shoes don't melt and my pants don't start on fire and I certainly would not place my $600 handgun right on the rim, only a moron would do that

99% scenario any modern polymer frame handgun is just fine for what it's designed to do

glock is the grand daddy, all other's just followed

It's a joke, my man.

A joke with a moral.

I have no interest in a gun that melts at any temperature lower than can be created by my toaster oven.

I don't own any Zinc guns either.

That may be before you're time.

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[Missourian]

glock is the grand daddy, all other's just followed

Mmm... I'd say the Remington Nylon 66 is the grand daddy...and Glock just followed.

 

[egp320i]

It's a joke, my man.

A joke with a moral.

I have no interest in a gun that melts at any temperature lower than can be created by my toaster oven.

I don't own any Zinc guns either.

That may be before you're time.

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We don’t have as many cheap guns anymore. I know right now you’re probably raising an eyebrow at that statement, assuming what I mean is the same sort of whine you’ve heard every milsurp...

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all good, guns with zinc you say, I might have to look that one up

course it stands to reason if you need your handgun and it's melting by the fire your kinda screwed so
keep it on you in a holster

 

[Missourian]

all good, guns with zinc you say, I might have to look that one up

Oh yeah...the Ring of Fire / Saturday Night Specials. Check em out. Raven, Jennings, Lorcin, Bryco and Phoenix.

I think Davis is actual still around.

Edit- nope, they're gone...I was thinking of Cobra.

 

[egp320i]

Oh yeah...the Ring of Fire / Saturday Night Specials. Check em out. Raven, Jennings, Lorcin, Bryco and Phoenix.

I think Davis is actual still around.

Edit- nope, they're gone...I was thinking of Cobra.

not names I know of, all low end junk throw away after you use them types? If you are going to kill a person and toss the gun might as well use something cheap, right?

 

[Missourian]

I don't think that the Glocks in .45 ACP are as much a "...better mousetrap" as a more modern "mousetrap".

As you know, the Glock Mod. 19 and Mod. 21 both have a higher magazine capacity, rails for flashlights, laser sights etc however, I've been shooting 1911s for over 60 years and just feel more comfortable with well made variations on the 1911's design.

Thanks,

I think for a lot of us that started out with the 1911, the grip angle of the Glock and other similar firearms will never feel right.

That's how it is for me for sure.

I bought an original Ruger Standard and it always felt alien. Traded it for a Ruger 22/45...butter zone.

 

[Missourian]

not names I know of, all low end junk throw away after you use them types? If you are going to kill a person and toss the gun might as well use something cheap, right?

Basically. Many jurisdictions attempted to banned them based on their melting point...firearms with a melting point lower than 800°F.

 

[egp320i]

I think for a lot of us that started out with the 1911, the grip angle of the Glock and other similar firearms will never feel right.

That's how it is for me for sure.

I bought an original Ruger Standard and it always felt alien. Traded it for a Ruger 22/45...butter zone.

that could be true, as I mentioned my HK p2000 feels better actually but the newer glocks and most poly guns have backstraps you can add to feel more comfy
with a model from 1911 it's one size fits all, you like or you do not

sure there are some new variations, kimber comes to mind with a 1911 knock-off basically

 

[egp320i]

Basically. Many jurisdictions attempted to banned them based on their melting point...firearms with a melting point lower than 800°F.

not sure the sense here, 800F is going to melt you and if they figured you would use the gun once to commit murder and burn it well most guns are going to turn to goo in a blast furnace so they were just being silly it would seem

 

[Missourian]

that could be true, as I mentioned my HK p2000 feels better actually but the newer glocks and most poly guns have backstraps you can add to feel more comfy
with a model from 1911 it's one size fits all, you like or you do not

sure there are some new variations, kimber comes to mind with a 1911 knock-off basically

Yeah, I have some Poly80 frames from Brownell in a box that I'll get around to building with some Gen 3 parts someday that are 1911 grip angle-esque @ 19°. Don't think you can buy them anymore though.

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[Missourian]

not sure the sense here, 800F is going to melt you and if they figured you would use the gun once to commit murder and burn it well most guns are going to turn to goo in a blast furnace so they were just being silly it would seem

Just another random way to outlaw a gun.

 

[Missourian]

I am left eye dominant, but right handed,

I also am left eye and right handed

Didn't realize this was so prevalent.

Same for me.

I tried to rectify it, but I could never get it to take. Too old to rewire even at 18.

 

[westwall]

many factors like how big and what wood is used, I have a stainless fire ring at my cabin and I can sit close and my shoes don't melt and my pants don't start on fire and I certainly would not place my $600 handgun right on the rim, only a moron would do that

99% scenario any modern polymer frame handgun is just fine for what it's designed to do

glock is the grand daddy, all other's just followed

HK was there first with the P9 in a handgun, but Missourian is correct with the Nylon 66. It's the granddaddy.

 

[egp320i]

HK was there first with the P9 in a handgun, but Missourian is correct with the Nylon 66. It's the granddaddy.

AI states
The first commercially successful polymer-framed handgun was the Glock 17, designed by Gaston Glock. Introduced in 1982, the Glock 17 revolutionized the firearms industry with its use of a high-strength polymer for the pistol's frame, reducing weight while maintaining durability. Gaston Glock, an Austrian engineer, founded Glock Ges.m.b.H. to produce this innovative firearm, which quickly gained popularity among military and law enforcement agencies around the world.

the nylon 66 was a .22 and a rifle

P9 was not a full polymer frame:

The pistol features a stamped steel frame with a polymer trigger guard and grip panels, which was innovative for the time, reducing weight while maintaining strength.