Iraq Wants the US Out - Our New Saigon Moment

[Sallow]

What business does China have with Africa?

Oh, I know.

Oil exploration contracts with any African nation with oil.

So China's your model for the United States.

Got it..comrade.

 

[Revere]

Superpowers, or countries that want to be them, do these things.

 

[Foxfyre]

Superpowers, or countries that want to be them, do these things.

And tree huggers who don't want their own country to explore or produce or refine any more of its own oil put the government in the position of HAVING to do these things. Which is why the Middle East is of interest to just about everybody and why it was of interest to free people everywhere that neither Iraq nor Iran control all or most of the oil in that region.

 

[Sallow]

Oh gosh.

After a decades of braying "No..we are they're to help "free" the people". The truth is slowing seeping out?

Like oil from beneath the sands?

I saw a bumper sticker that read something like: "How did all our oil wind up in the Middle East".

Yep.

And Bob's your uncle.

 

[Revere]

Will Africans crash jetliners into Chinese skyscrapers over oil?

 

[Revere]

All superpowers negotiate commerce to their advantage.

 

[Revere]

Superpowers, or countries that want to be them, do these things.

And tree huggers who don't want their own country to explore or produce or refine any more of its own oil put the government in the position of HAVING to do these things. Which is why the Middle East is of interest to just about everybody and why it was of interest to free people everywhere that neither Iraq nor Iran control all or most of the oil in that region.

The people in the middle east who claim to be exploited, the Bin Laden family, to wit, are actually wealthy beyond the means of most Americans thanks to oil.

 

[Revere]

Free people participate in free commerce, yes.

 

[shintao]

Ok retards, you wasted 4000 US Troop lives, 10,000 disabled US Troops, 1/2 million dead civilians, and destroyed the infrastructure of a sovereign nation you have to repair, plus your out a trillion dollars you owe to the PRC.

Was it worth it now you know Iraq is kicking your ass out of there in 12 months?

 

[Samir]

get out it is ours.

we take it soon.

 

[Revere]

The destiny of Islam is medieval shit holes.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

Ok retards, you wasted 4000 US Troop lives, 10,000 disabled US Troops, 1/2 million dead civilians, and destroyed the infrastructure of a sovereign nation you have to repair, plus your out a trillion dollars you owe to the PRC.

Was it worth it now you know Iraq is kicking your ass out of there in 12 months?

 

[Samir]

shia here knows we take it all.

first Lebanon they run like rats hehe

now iraq they run like rats hehe

afganistan they have date to run like rats hehhehehehehehehehhe

 

[Douger]

Not happening.
Al_CIA_duh will make sure their is another "crisis" for their pimps at Halliburton.
Extended U.S. presence in Iraq? - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq - msnbc.com

 

[Sunni Man]

Ok retards, you wasted 4000 US Troop lives, 10,000 disabled US Troops, 1/2 million dead civilians, and destroyed the infrastructure of a sovereign nation you have to repair, plus your out a trillion dollars you owe to the PRC.

Iraq is this generations Vietnam.

Same story; same outcome.

 

[High_Gravity]

shia here knows we take it all.

first Lebanon they run like rats hehe

now iraq they run like rats hehe

afganistan they have date to run like rats hehhehehehehehehehhe

You are a fucking idiot.

 

[High_Gravity]

Okay..an adult answer.

But the bottom line is Iran has not been an aggressor in a war for quite some time..and does have a list of legimate beefs.

And they did try to become more of a moderate state with the election of Khatami. Attempts to normalize relations were rebuffed by the Clinton adminstration and continued on through the Bush administration.

Which brings us to now. Iran watched two huge countries get rolled by the United States. They are nervous and should be.

Iran has been involved in wars against Israel through its Hamas proxy and involved in acts of war against the US through its Hizballah proxy.

There are online dictionaries for you to look up the word "proxy," dumb dumb

Be all you can be..

Become a Marine - Contact a U.S. Marine Corps Recruiter Today

"Be all you can be" was an old Army Quote that they no longer use. The Marines is the Few the proud, god your on a roll, first the Iranians are Arabs and now this.

 

[mdn2000]

Naive doesn't begin to explain this..

Because naive it is not, thanks.

Okay..lets go piece by piece.

America's admitted less then 10K refugees..that's compared over 2 million displaced by the war.

And exactly what business does the United States have in the Middle East? America isn't enough for us?

The Gassing of Kurds and the Iran/Iraq war took place at the behest of the United States. The government provided them with plans on how to construct the chemical weapons and hardware. And you do know that the Kurds are considered terrorists by most nations in that region..and us.

10k refugees, sounds great to me, according to the 2000 census that is a 25% increase of Iraqi's in the USA.

Refugees, maybe you could explain why Iraqis should be relocated clearly to the other side of the globe? Funny thing about the Middle East and most other Countries is they restrict their citizens to the borders, in the USA I can move 2000 miles and still be in the USA, in the Middle East most people are restricted to areas or nations or states that are no more than a hundred miles by two hundred miles, in Iraq, without spending too much time on google I can say the Iraqi citizen cannot live in Damascus, Jordan, or Iran and the move or distance is tiny, Americans can enjoy a weekend trip which is a further distance than the dictators allow in there people to travel.

So the problem is not the United States, its the lack of human rights in the Middle East, the problem is the culture, one family cannot move to another city in Iraq, for instance take blood feuds, at the core of a tribe is family, blood feuds between families or members of tribes prevent them from freely living within another tribes area. The history of cities in the Middle East is the history of tribes and blood feuds. The history of the states and nations is also the history of segregation based on ones religous beliefs.

Who is addressing this and how does this effect the refugee problem.

Of course without a detailed study of just how many people who are in refugee status at this moment this conversation is mute. If there is indeed a refugee problem why is the President not addressing this, where are the Liberals addressing the situation.

So now I have to investigate if there are refugees, what are the conditions they are living in, did they find family or allies to live with, was there any issue with blood feuds, did they have to reconcile past differences in which Arabia has always been divided.

How much of this have you even thought of let alone investigated, I can admit I have not and a simple answer to this is not an answer at all.

If you really want to go "point to point", why are we not discussing one point and presenting as much information as possible, afterwards we can sift through it until we come to the truth.

There are Iraqi's that never left, I would question the 2,000,000 million refugees in other countries. If that is what you meant. You may of meant just displaced from there city or home.

Of those 2,000,000, its obvious many have returned. After all, the end of violence and peace returned with Obama and the Liberals. I am sure Obama can talk away all the violence and there is no need to have refugees.

Of the 2,000,000 you claim, and I question the accuracy of the figure, what percentage left for no other reason than thier past economic situation was not good so they fled hoping for a new oppurtunity.

Anyhow we have a terrible immigration policy, which ties directly to any refugee problem. Appeasing Islam is another terrible policy, how would these immigrants or refugees think of us if we did the right thing and destroyed all the dictators and monarchies and provided the people with Liberty and Freedom, that would destroy Islam, for Allah would be seen not to exist, if we were really men of principle we would free the Middle East from the backward thought, the primitive culture in which they live. Allah would be powerless to stop us from giving rights to women. The people of Iraq have literally seen the Christian Army destroy all that Allah supposedly built. So if we took that further and eliminated all the tyranny and denial of basic rights to man and woman, this act would show there is no Allah. This would show the Moslem world there is a superior power than their faith in Allah.

So if you were sincere or actually knew what the hell your talking about, you stated lets go point to point, to me that is having a detailed discussion on what you list first, refugees.

America's admitted less then 10K refugees..that's compared over 2 million displaced by the war.

This is a pretty piss poor start on your part, you could of provided a lot more then this tiny bit of propaganda.

I take this all back, I had an epiphany, sorry.

Obama has said he is pulling out the troops, you have identified a problem, the war is not over, we have not succeeded yet the Liberals are running and leaving 2,000,000 people displaced from their homes. Those people have a right to live in peace, in Iraq, where they were born. We cannot leave until basic human rights are recognized. This is not the case.

Why is Obama running from a war that is not over, this has as much to do with people have a right to homes where they are born, they have a right to eat at Mcdonalds and drink Budwieser. They have no rights to kill forbid Christians to live in their land. As long as this is the culture or religion there is no place for Islam on earth.

This is the exact appeasment of Islam that creates Saddam in the first place, this is the type of appeasement that creates over a dozen mass murderers that killed all those innocent people working at the World Trade Center.

The last thing we need now is to take our troops out of the Middle East. Mcdonalds and Budwieser. The freedom and liberty of Christians.

What right do we have to interfere with death and murder, the stoning of Christians, the stoning of Adulterers, what right do we have to stop the destruction of churches that are over a thousand years old. What right do we have to stop child rape and the culture the covers a woman in a bag and only allows her in public under escort of a man.

A better question is what right do you have forcing me to turn my back on humanity.

So step up, point by point, the refugees, your ignoring the problem.

 

[mdn2000]

Okay.

History question.

When was the last time Iran attacked another country?

In modern times Iran generally has not been as directly aggressive as some of its neighbors but has funded terrorist organizations and others hellbent on aggression. It is difficult to pinpoint 'blame' for the Iran/Iraq war that is generally dated from September 1980 to 1988 but there is sufficient blame to go around. Probably technically Iraq struck the first blow but soon found itself outclassed by a USSR backed Iran. Would Iran have attacked Iraq if Iraq had not fired first? Hard to say. Most historians think that was the plan though. The conflict between Iran and Iraq spans centuries more recently with clashes between Iran's Shi-ite and Iraq's Sunni controlled governments. Many if not most of the insurgents determined to scuttle plans for a free and independent Iraq have entered Iraq through Iran.

Iran has long been funding anit-Israeli groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah by shipping arms and missiles through Syria to such groups.

More recently in 2007 Iranian Revolutionary Guards invaded and seized most important control of the Masandam Peninsula in Oman. That solidified Iran's complete control of the straight. (Oman previously controlled the southern end.)

Okay..an adult answer.

But the bottom line is Iran has not been an aggressor in a war for quite some time..and does have a list of legimate beefs.

And they did try to become more of a moderate state with the election of Khatami. Attempts to normalize relations were rebuffed by the Clinton adminstration and continued on through the Bush administration.

Which brings us to now. Iran watched two huge countries get rolled by the United States. They are nervous and should be.

You pile up questions faster than anyone can answer them, nice tactic, how about you step up and address some of the shit you through around.

Lets start by seeing if you can name Iran's beefs, no link please, your informed on the subject so just tell us what you know.

 

[Sallow]

Iran has been involved in wars against Israel through its Hamas proxy and involved in acts of war against the US through its Hizballah proxy.

There are online dictionaries for you to look up the word "proxy," dumb dumb

Be all you can be..

Become a Marine - Contact a U.S. Marine Corps Recruiter Today

"Be all you can be" was an old Army Quote that they no longer use. The Marines is the Few the proud, god your on a roll, first the Iranians are Arabs and now this.

Are you this anal in real life? Gosh..I hope not.