Iran war 'has been a strategic disaster for the State of Israel'

[Litwin]

WHAT do you think ? Do you agree that Iran war 'has been a strategic disaster for the State of Israel' ?
I voted - Yes!

 

[Anarchy666]

Too early to tell imo

 

[White 6]

WHAT do you think ? Do you agree that Iran war 'has been a strategic disaster for the State of Israel' ?
I voted - Yes!
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No. It is more a disaster for Trump, the United States, and the world oil importing countries.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

WHAT do you think ? Do you agree that Iran war 'has been a strategic disaster for the State of Israel' ?

I don't think so. Israel has taken out a lot of Iran's leadership and weakened its proxies. All their proxies can do now is launch rockets and then run and hide behind women and children. You know, how Muslims typically fight.

 

[Hector12]

It is too early to judge the outcome of the War with Iran.

 

[forkup]

I don't think so. Israel has taken out a lot of Iran's leadership and weakened its proxies. All their proxies can do now is launch rockets and then run and hide behind women and children. You know, how Muslims typically fight.

Ok. They weakened Iran's leadership how?

Is their hold on power weakened in any way? The only thing you achoeved is taking out individuals that were immideatly replaced while not touching the underlying structure that gives them their power.

All hardware you destroyed can be replaced with access to money. Something Iran will have more of since sactions that were in place will be lifted.

On top of that Israel now has to risk Trump breaking ties of they keep on attacking Lebanon, this on top of the fact that support for Israel was already on the decline with Democrats.



The thing with bombing places is that it only works for the time you are bombing. And since it's clear that the US political resolve does not include putting boots on the ground that time will end and won't be starting as long as Iran can close the straight.


Israel is boxed in by their own hubris.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Ok. They weakened Iran's leadership how?

By taking out Khameni and senior members of the IRGC.

Is their hold on power weakened in any way? The only thing you achoeved is taking out individuals that were immideatly replaced while not touching the underlying structure that gives them their power.

Well it would be if they hadn't murdered the 40,000 people who were protesting and clashing with the IRGC a few months ago. All the revolutionaries were murdered by the regime. What are your thoughts on that? Did they deserve that? And isn't that genocide? 70,000 people dying in Gaza over two years, half of whom are Hamas, is genocide but Iran killing 40,000 of its own people in 2 weeks isn't? How?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

All hardware you destroyed can be replaced with access to money. Something Iran will have more of since sactions that were in place will be lifted.

Ah, so Iran was weakened after all.

On top of that Israel now has to risk Trump breaking ties of they keep on attacking Lebanon, this on top of the fact that support for Israel was already on the decline with Democrats.

That's not gonna happen and Lebanon is at war with Hezbollah, not Israel. Hiding behind human shields, using civilian infrastructure to launch attacks, and not wearing uniforms as an organized force are all war crimes.

If they didn't commit those war crimes, what would be the most likely outcome?

The thing with bombing places is that it only works for the time you are bombing. And since it's clear that the US political resolve does not include putting boots on the ground that time will end and won't be starting as long as Iran can close the straight.

That strait is international waters, so Iran occupying it is against international law.

So long as Iran's proxies continue to attack Israel, the conflict will never end.

Israel is boxed in by their own hubris.

No,. Iran is boxed in because they have driven the Gulf Arab states to Israel.

Long-term, Iran's strategy is a loser. They don't have their Syrian proxies anymore, Hamas attacks on Israel are non-existent, and Hezbollah can only launch rockets and hide behind civilians, which is a war crime.

What are your thoughts on the war crimes Palestinians commit daily? And if they didn't commit those war crimes, what would be the most likely outcome?

 

[Litwin]

I don't think so. Israel has taken out a lot of Iran's leadership and weakened its proxies. All their proxies can do now is launch rockets and then run and hide behind women and children. You know, how Muslims typically fight.

those are only tactical victories. They have nothing to do with a long- term strategy , Israel is badly outreached (I blame Bibi for it), geostrategically speaking
just read the comments :

 

[Rocko]

We set them back 10-15 years. In that respect the war was a success. But we kicked the can down the road, so we’ll have to deal with this issue again.

 

[forkup]

By taking out Khameni and senior members of the IRGC.



Well it would be if they hadn't murdered the 40,000 people who were protesting and clashing with the IRGC a few months ago. All the revolutionaries were murdered by the regime. What are your thoughts on that? Did they deserve that? And isn't that genocide? 70,000 people dying in Gaza over two years, half of whom are Hamas, is genocide but Iran killing 40,000 of its own people in 2 weeks isn't? How?

If a president loses an election, does that mean the leadership of a country is weakened or simply that power is transferred?

If the leader of a country is changed either by assassinatiom or elections but the ppwer structure remains, nothing really changes.

It's funny, by the way how you think asking my moral position on the atrocities by the Iranian regime seems relevant to you when discussing wether or not Israel shot itself in the foot here. While at the same time alluding to Israel's actions in Gaza and not taking a position on it. Like hypocrisy is only important if someone else does it.

It also doesn't work because it's a false dychotomy and a red herring.

I can find the regime of Iran's actions against its citizens appaling, Israel's actions in Gaza appalling, Hamas' actions against Israel appalling, and I do, and it still doesn't change my opinion that Bibi has made a terrible mistake in relying on Trump not to screw him over when things got though.

 

[forkup]

That's not gonna happen and Lebanon is at war with Hezbollah, not Israel. Hiding behind human shields, using civilian infrastructure to launch attacks, and not wearing uniforms as an organized force are all war crimes.

If they didn't commit those war crimes, what would be the most likely outcome?

Israel isn't bombing Beirut?

That strait is international waters, so Iran occupying it is against international law.

So long as Iran's proxies continue to attack Israel, the conflict will never end.

I suggest you read the MOU. It clearly states that hostilities are ended by ALL parties.

You are right in one respect. I doubt Israel will adhere to it. And I suspect we'll soon find out how close US Israel ties are once Iran starts closing or start to threaten to close the straight again.

No,. Iran is boxed in because they have driven the Gulf Arab states to Israel.

Not really. The Arab countries are faced with a stark reality. Either they come to an understanding with Iran, or their entire economic system is under threat.

What are your thoughts on the war crimes Palestinians commit daily? And if they didn't commit those war crimes, what would be the most likely outcome?

Israel just the other day, shot a baby in a car at a checkpoint. ON CAMERA.

Palestinian war crimes are war crimes. Israeli war crimes are war crimes. Neither changes my analysis of whether this agreement is strategically sustainable.

You seem to have a very one sided idea of what war crimes are but even more importantly seem to argue that that (one sided) view on warcrimes all of a sudden should be the only concern in foreign policy.

It isn't. In fact morality most often is hardly a comsideration in foreign policy.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/17/politics/us-iran-memo-annotated-intl-vis

This is what foreign policy actually looks like when you are the losing side.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Israel isn't bombing Beirut?

No, Israel is bombing Hezbollah, and Hezbollah is hiding behind human shields in Beirut.

Hiding behind human shields is a war crime.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I suggest you read the MOU. It clearly states that hostilities are ended by ALL parties.

But they're not ended if Iran's proxies are continuing to commit war crimes, which they are.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

You are right in one respect. I doubt Israel will adhere to it. And I suspect we'll soon find out how close US Israel ties are once Iran starts closing or start to threaten to close the straight again.

Israel has always abided by ceasefire terms, including the one from October that Hamas wanted but never followed through on.

Hamas was supposed to disarm and dissolve per that October ceasefire agreement and they haven't. They continue to hide behind civilians, dress as civilians when they fight, enlist child soldiers, and use civilian infrastructure to launch attacks. All of those are war crimes.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

ot really. The Arab countries are faced with a stark reality. Either they come to an understanding with Iran, or their entire economic system is under threat.

Under threat from Iran, hence why they have been driven to Israel. Iran launching missiles that kill Muslims is not going to force Gulf Arab states to an "understanding" (very vague, what understanding?) with them. It has only driven them further from Iran.

Israel just the other day, shot a baby in a car at a checkpoint. ON CAMERA.

BS.

Palestinian war crimes are war crimes.

Are they? So what are you gonna do about it? Post nonstop about how evil Hamas is and how close they are to collapse like you do with Israel? Of course not. You're obsessed with Israel, so Palestinians get a free pass even though the war crimes they commit are in the open and have been committing them the entire time.

aeli war crimes are war crimes.

What war crimes has Israel committed?

Neither changes my analysis of whether this agreement is strategically sustainable.

But it should. By admitting Hamas is committing war crimes but not doing anything about it just shows your bias. You spend 99.9% of your time harping on imagined war crimes from Israel with only a passing acknowledgement that Hamas commits them for real, and that acknowledgement has to be dragged out of you because it's not something you even consider because of your inherent bias.

You seem to have a very one sided idea of what war crimes are but even more importantly seem to argue that that (one sided) view on warcrimes all of a sudden should be the only concern in foreign policy.

I'm going by the definitions from the Geneva Conventions and hiding behind human shields, using civilian infrastructure to launch attacks, not wearing uniforms as an organized force, and using child soldiers are all war crimes. Serious war crimes. But again, Palestinians are never held to account for them even though those war crimes are the reasons civilians die.

It isn't. In fact morality most often is hardly a comsideration in foreign policy.

What are you talking about? You are incoherent.

This is what foreign policy actually looks like when you are the losing side.

Spinning Muslim defeat as a victory just so you can indulge delusions about Israel is certainly a choice.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

If a president loses an election, does that mean the leadership of a country is weakened or simply that power is transferred?

Losing an election doesn't change the institutions. Losing an election means that party is weakened within the institutions.

If the leader of a country is changed either by assassinatiom or elections but the ppwer structure remains, nothing really changes.

So then you're saying no matter what, Iran will always be ruled by the IRGC? But has that always been the case? No.

It's funny, by the way how you think asking my moral position on the atrocities by the Iranian regime seems relevant to you when discussing wether or not Israel shot itself in the foot here. While at the same time alluding to Israel's actions in Gaza and not taking a position on it. Like hypocrisy is only important if someone else does it.

Weakening Iran and then Iran driving Gulf Arab states to normalize relations with Israel isn't Israel shooting itself in the foot. Launching missiles at Muslim countries and killing Muslims is Iran shooting themselves in the foot. So now, instead of Gulf Arab countries undermining Israel by covertly supporting Palestinians, Gulf Arab countries now undermine Iran by wholly supporting Sunni Muslims. Since Iran is Shiite, they're not endeared by Arab states.

It also doesn't work because it's a false dychotomy and a red herring.

Wait, how is it a false dichotomy? Not following you there.

I can find the regime of Iran's actions against its citizens appaling, Israel's actions in Gaza appalling, Hamas' actions against Israel appalling, and I do, and it still doesn't change my opinion that Bibi has made a terrible mistake in relying on Trump not to screw him over when things got though.

What about Israel's actions in Gaza do you find "appalling"?

And what about Hamas' actions in Gaza do you find "appalling"?

 

[Hector12]

No, Israel is bombing Hezbollah, and Hezbollah is hiding behind human shields in Beirut.

Hiding behind human shields is a war crime.

Hezbollah is officially committed to the destruction of Israel.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

There are certain languages the Middle East understands.

Which the West doesn’t seem to.

 

[Deadstick]

Ok. They weakened Iran's leadership how?

Is their hold on power weakened in any way? The only thing you achoeved is taking out individuals that were immideatly replaced while not touching the underlying structure that gives them their power.

All hardware you destroyed can be replaced with access to money. Something Iran will have more of since sactions that were in place will be lifted.

On top of that Israel now has to risk Trump breaking ties of they keep on attacking Lebanon, this on top of the fact that support for Israel was already on the decline with Democrats.



The thing with bombing places is that it only works for the time you are bombing. And since it's clear that the US political resolve does not include putting boots on the ground that time will end and won't be starting as long as Iran can close the straight.


Israel is boxed in by their own hubris.

Without American backing the Israelis wouldn't last a Week.