Iran to sign deal
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/-----/ Are you saying Trump would pocket the money? Nah, he's not Hillary Clinton or Joe Bidum.Hell with the crazy mullahs, trump too, for that matter. Trump is working on selling weapons grade Plutonium for some of his friends in private industry.
The Trump administration plans to provide up to 20 metric tons of weapons-grade plutonium from dismantled nuclear warheads to private energy companies, which has raised significant concerns about national security and the potential spread of nuclear weapons. Critics argue that this move undermines long-standing U.S. policy and poses serious risks.
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Hypatia415
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I could digress and address each of those but they are somewhat tangential to the topic of this thread. Suffice to say the ballroom is on hold and he now wants you, the US taxpayer, to fund it. Greenland was always accessible to US bases. Putting a blockade on Cuba is hardly negotiating. Prior to Trump's second term EU countries were already considering increasing military budgets. Trans men not competing in sporting events for biological women is hardly Transgenderism being curb stomped. The issue around these drug runner speed boats remains highly dubious as no evidence from any of those vessels has been produced by the US government to incontrovertibly prove they were running drugs. We are all expected to take what the administration tells us on trust. Finally, Trump's oft repeated remarks on the percentages by which he was bringing down the cost of medications and drugs provided many a merry moment for Messrs. Meyers. Colbert, and Kimmel.
I totally agree he is entirely unpresidential. The part he was born to play is Ubu Roi.
Graham is one individual. He is not infallible and he will say anything to grovel to Trump. His past history does him no favours.
Obliterate: to remove from existence : destroy utterly all trace, indication, or significance of
If something has been utterly destroyed it cannot be, as you put it, resurrected.
Why the Latin tag tempus fugit in that context?
The situation surrounding this uranium has yet to be agreed.
I think it was an excuse.
I do not use AI.
The model is extremely useful in various disciplines as it has demonstrated.
As an online encyclopaedia for the general public it unreliable and entirely unnecessary. I also understand from my reading that some members of the general public consider its responses to their questions to be the word of God!!
(sarcasm) Are you really attempting to compare the largest sea-borne invasion of Europe in history with Trump's excursion into Iran? One is only amazed that Hegseth did not yet again decide to put the details on to a Signal group chat!
That is a neat side-step to avoid the question.
As you have noted Congress will be needed for funding.
According you and Trump those facilities are all under rubble.
Negotiations were taking place when Trump (and his buddy Bibi) decided to bomb Iran. The rumours surrounding Trump's decision to join Netanyahu still swirl.
We shall have to see what comes of this situation. I am of the opinion that the agreement that emerges will be little different, and may in some respects be worse, that what was achieved by the Obama administration.
Trump will of course crow that it is an incomparable success and the best deal ever and many will believe him
You are very blithe in your viewpoints and while the increased cost of gas might not be a big deal for you, your arrogance in presuming that is the case for everyone is rather distasteful. You also seem oblivious to the fact that the rise in gas has an impact on food distribution. It increases costs for production and processing and higher diesel prices impact on delivery. Hence low income Americans who do not possess an auto will also feel the effects.
From The Economist today (3rd June) https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker/economy
499 days into
GDP grew at 1.6% per year in the first quarter. Inflation is at 3.0%. The unemployment rate is 4.3%. The S&P 500 is up 25.8% since he took office.Last updated on June 3rd 2026
The war in Iran has disrupted energy markets, pushing petrol prices higher and driving up inflation. Consumer prices rose by 3.8% in April from a year earlier, the fastest pace since 2023, while Americans are growing more pessimistic: consumer confidence slipped in May as households worried about rising costs. Economic growth has also weakened. GDP expanded at an annualised rate of 1.6% in the first quarter, revised down from an initial estimate of 2%. Tax refunds have offered some relief, cushioning households from higher petrol prices.
For Kevin Warsh, the new chairman of the Federal Reserve, the picture is awkward. President Donald Trump wants interest-rate cuts and says borrowing costs should fall quickly. But the Fed faces a difficult trade-off. Slower growth would normally strengthen the case for lower rates; higher inflation argues for caution. Mr Warsh risks being caught between a president demanding cheaper money and policymakers worried that price pressures are becoming entrenched.
Are you now presenting yourself as an energy expert for Europe?
I have answered your question.
It was succeeding until Trump withdrew the USA from the agreement.
Goodness me! Are you attempting to compare potential US military operations to the actions of groups that are deemed terrorist organisations?
It is a reaction to an unnecessary military attack by a country with which the Iranian authorities were negotiating.
However, you seem to think the USA can open the Strait.
International law and the ICC are not one and the same thing.
Difference between ICJ and ICC: Jurisdiction, Power, and Limits
The difference between ICJ and ICC defines the boundaries of international justice in practice, yet it is routinely misunderstood in public debate, policy commentary, and even academic discussion outside specialist circles.
www.diplomacyandlaw.com
Difference between ICJ and ICC: Jurisdiction, Power, and Limits
The difference between ICJ and ICC defines the boundaries of international justice in practice, yet it is routinely misunderstood in public debate, policy commentary, and even academic discussion outside specialist circles. The two courts are frequently grouped together under the shorthand of “The Hague,” as if they were components of a single judicial system with shared powers and objectives. This assumption is incorrect. The International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court operate on distinct legal logics, address different subjects of law, and produce fundamentally different legal consequences. Confusing them leads to misplaced expectations about accountability, enforcement, and the actual capacity of international law to respond to contemporary crises.
You can also read this from your own Congress: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48004.
And this: https://international-review.icrc.org/sites/default/files/irrc_861_4.pdf
Since WW2 the transatlantic agreement has been of great benefit to the USA in expanding its geopolitical influence.
The above indicates a degree of personal animus - not a good sign in a dispassionate exchange.
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/-----/ TL; DRI could digress and address each of those but they are somewhat tangential to the topic of this thread. Suffice to say the ballroom is on hold and he now wants you, the US taxpayer, to fund it. Greenland was always accessible to US bases. Putting a blockade on Cuba is hardly negotiating. Prior to Trump's second term EU countries were already considering increasing military budgets. Trans men not competing in sporting events for biological women is hardly Transgenderism being curb stomped. The issue around these drug runner speed boats remains highly dubious as no evidence from any of those vessels has been produced by the US government to incontrovertibly prove they were running drugs. We are all expected to take what the administration tells us on trust. Finally, Trump's oft repeated remarks on the percentages by which he was bringing down the cost of medications and drugs provided many a merry moment for Messrs. Meyers. Colbert, and Kimmel.
I totally agree he is entirely unpresidential. The part he was born to play is Ubu Roi.
Graham is one individual. He is not infallible and he will say anything to grovel to Trump. His past history does him no favours.
Obliterate: to remove from existence : destroy utterly all trace, indication, or significance of
If something has been utterly destroyed it cannot be, as you put it, resurrected.
Why the Latin tag tempus fugit in that context?
The situation surrounding this uranium has yet to be agreed.
I think it was an excuse.
I do not use AI.
The model is extremely useful in various disciplines as it has demonstrated.
As an online encyclopaedia for the general public it unreliable and entirely unnecessary. I also understand from my reading that some members of the general public consider its responses to their questions to be the word of God!!
(sarcasm) Are you really attempting to compare the largest sea-borne invasion of Europe in history with Trump's excursion into Iran? One is only amazed that Hegseth did not yet again decide to put the details on to a Signal group chat!
That is a neat side-step to avoid the question.
As you have noted Congress will be needed for funding.
According you and Trump those facilities are all under rubble.
Negotiations were taking place when Trump (and his buddy Bibi) decided to bomb Iran. The rumours surrounding Trump's decision to join Netanyahu still swirl.
We shall have to see what comes of this situation. I am of the opinion that the agreement that emerges will be little different, and may in some respects be worse, that what was achieved by the Obama administration.
Trump will of course crow that it is an incomparable success and the best deal ever and many will believe him
You are very blithe in your viewpoints and while the increased cost of gas might not be a big deal for you, your arrogance in presuming that is the case for everyone is rather distasteful. You also seem oblivious to the fact that the rise in gas has an impact on food distribution. Higher diesel prices for wagons increases costs for the delivery of goods. Hence low income Americans who do not possess an auto will also feel the effects.
From The Economist today (3rd June) https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker/economy
499 days into
GDP grew at 1.6% per year in the first quarter. Inflation is at 3.0%. The unemployment rate is 4.3%. The S&P 500 is up 25.8% since he took office.
Last updated on June 3rd 2026
The war in Iran has disrupted energy markets, pushing petrol prices higher and driving up inflation. Consumer prices rose by 3.8% in April from a year earlier, the fastest pace since 2023, while Americans are growing more pessimistic: consumer confidence slipped in May as households worried about rising costs. Economic growth has also weakened. GDP expanded at an annualised rate of 1.6% in the first quarter, revised down from an initial estimate of 2%. Tax refunds have offered some relief, cushioning households from higher petrol prices.
For Kevin Warsh, the new chairman of the Federal Reserve, the picture is awkward. President Donald Trump wants interest-rate cuts and says borrowing costs should fall quickly. But the Fed faces a difficult trade-off. Slower growth would normally strengthen the case for lower rates; higher inflation argues for caution. Mr Warsh risks being caught between a president demanding cheaper money and policymakers worried that price pressures are becoming entrenched.
Are you now presenting yourself as an energy expert?
I have given a very clear answer to your question.
It was succeeding until Trump withdrew the USA from the agreement.
Goodness me! Are you attempting to compare the USA and its potential military operations to the actions of groups that are deemed terrorist organisations?
It is a reaction to an unnecessary military attack by a country which was negotiating.
However, you seem to think the USA can open it.
International law and the ICC are not one and the same thing.
Difference between ICJ and ICC: Jurisdiction, Power, and Limits
The difference between ICJ and ICC defines the boundaries of international justice in practice, yet it is routinely misunderstood in public debate, policy commentary, and even academic discussion outside specialist circles.Difference between ICJ and ICC: Jurisdiction, Power, and Limits
The difference between ICJ and ICC defines the boundaries of international justice in practice, yet it is routinely misunderstood in public debate, policy commentary, and even academic discussion outside specialist circles. The two courts are frequently grouped together under the shorthand of “The Hague,” as if they were components of a single judicial system with shared powers and objectives. This assumption is incorrect. The International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court operate on distinct legal logics, address different subjects of law, and produce fundamentally different legal consequences. Confusing them leads to misplaced expectations about accountability, enforcement, and the actual capacity of international law to respond to contemporary crises.
You can also read this from your own Congress: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48004.
And this: https://international-review.icrc.org/sites/default/files/irrc_861_4.pdf
Since WW2 the transatlantic agreement has been of great benefit to the USA in expanding its geopolitical influence.
The above indicates a degree of personal animus - not a good sign in a dispassionate exchange.
Hypatia415
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How does your cartoon relate to my post? Care to explain? Or are you just attempting to troll?
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/----/ It was a legitimate question. You replied with insults.I could digress and address each of those but they are somewhat tangential to the topic of this thread. Suffice to say the ballroom is on hold and he now wants you, the US taxpayer, to fund it. Greenland was always accessible to US bases. Putting a blockade on Cuba is hardly negotiating. Prior to Trump's second term EU countries were already considering increasing military budgets. Trans men not competing in sporting events for biological women is hardly Transgenderism being curb stomped. The issue around these drug runner speed boats remains highly dubious as no evidence from any of those vessels has been produced by the US government to incontrovertibly prove they were running drugs. We are all expected to take what the administration tells us on trust. Finally, Trump's oft repeated remarks on the percentages by which he was bringing down the cost of medications and drugs provided many a merry moment for Messrs. Meyers. Colbert, and Kimmel.
I totally agree he is entirely unpresidential. The part he was born to play is Ubu Roi.
Graham is one individual. He is not infallible and he will say anything to grovel to Trump. His past history does him no favours.
Obliterate: to remove from existence : destroy utterly all trace, indication, or significance of
If something has been utterly destroyed it cannot be, as you put it, resurrected.
Why the Latin tag tempus fugit in that context?
The situation surrounding this uranium has yet to be agreed.
I think it was an excuse.
I do not use AI.
The model is extremely useful in various disciplines as it has demonstrated.
As an online encyclopaedia for the general public it unreliable and entirely unnecessary. I also understand from my reading that some members of the general public consider its responses to their questions to be the word of God!!
(sarcasm) Are you really attempting to compare the largest sea-borne invasion of Europe in history with Trump's excursion into Iran? One is only amazed that Hegseth did not yet again decide to put the details on to a Signal group chat!
That is a neat side-step to avoid the question.
As you have noted Congress will be needed for funding.
According you and Trump those facilities are all under rubble.
Negotiations were taking place when Trump (and his buddy Bibi) decided to bomb Iran. The rumours surrounding Trump's decision to join Netanyahu still swirl.
We shall have to see what comes of this situation. I am of the opinion that the agreement that emerges will be little different, and may in some respects be worse, that what was achieved by the Obama administration.
Trump will of course crow that it is an incomparable success and the best deal ever and many will believe him
You are very blithe in your viewpoints and while the increased cost of gas might not be a big deal for you, your arrogance in presuming that is the case for everyone is rather distasteful. You also seem oblivious to the fact that the rise in gas has an impact on food distribution. It increases costs for production and processing and higher diesel prices impact on delivery. Hence low income Americans who do not possess an auto will also feel the effects.
From The Economist today (3rd June) https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker/economy
499 days into
GDP grew at 1.6% per year in the first quarter. Inflation is at 3.0%. The unemployment rate is 4.3%. The S&P 500 is up 25.8% since he took office.
Last updated on June 3rd 2026
The war in Iran has disrupted energy markets, pushing petrol prices higher and driving up inflation. Consumer prices rose by 3.8% in April from a year earlier, the fastest pace since 2023, while Americans are growing more pessimistic: consumer confidence slipped in May as households worried about rising costs. Economic growth has also weakened. GDP expanded at an annualised rate of 1.6% in the first quarter, revised down from an initial estimate of 2%. Tax refunds have offered some relief, cushioning households from higher petrol prices.
For Kevin Warsh, the new chairman of the Federal Reserve, the picture is awkward. President Donald Trump wants interest-rate cuts and says borrowing costs should fall quickly. But the Fed faces a difficult trade-off. Slower growth would normally strengthen the case for lower rates; higher inflation argues for caution. Mr Warsh risks being caught between a president demanding cheaper money and policymakers worried that price pressures are becoming entrenched.
Are you now presenting yourself as an energy expert for Europe?
I have answered your question.
It was succeeding until Trump withdrew the USA from the agreement.
Goodness me! Are you attempting to compare potential US military operations to the actions of groups that are deemed terrorist organisations?
It is a reaction to an unnecessary military attack by a country with which the Iranian authorities were negotiating.
However, you seem to think the USA can open the Strait.
International law and the ICC are not one and the same thing.
Difference between ICJ and ICC: Jurisdiction, Power, and Limits
The difference between ICJ and ICC defines the boundaries of international justice in practice, yet it is routinely misunderstood in public debate, policy commentary, and even academic discussion outside specialist circles.Difference between ICJ and ICC: Jurisdiction, Power, and Limits
The difference between ICJ and ICC defines the boundaries of international justice in practice, yet it is routinely misunderstood in public debate, policy commentary, and even academic discussion outside specialist circles. The two courts are frequently grouped together under the shorthand of “The Hague,” as if they were components of a single judicial system with shared powers and objectives. This assumption is incorrect. The International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court operate on distinct legal logics, address different subjects of law, and produce fundamentally different legal consequences. Confusing them leads to misplaced expectations about accountability, enforcement, and the actual capacity of international law to respond to contemporary crises.
You can also read this from your own Congress: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48004.
And this: https://international-review.icrc.org/sites/default/files/irrc_861_4.pdf
Since WW2 the transatlantic agreement has been of great benefit to the USA in expanding its geopolitical influence.
The above indicates a degree of personal animus - not a good sign in a dispassionate exchange.
Hypatia415
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What insults?
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/----/ TL; DR = Too long—Didn't read. No one is going to wade through all that, manusia. It was your attempt to dominate the thread.
Hypatia415
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Oh dear you are a little snowflake.
My reply was in response to the comments made by another contributor. It is generally known as having a discussion or an exchange of opinions and of course on occasion one needs to provide supporting evidence for one's comments.
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Hell with the crazy mullahs, trump too, for that matter. Trump is working on selling weapons grade Plutonium for some of his friends in private industry.
The Trump administration plans to provide up to 20 metric tons of weapons-grade plutonium from dismantled nuclear warheads to private energy companies, which has raised significant concerns about national security and the potential spread of nuclear weapons. Critics argue that this move undermines long-standing U.S. policy and poses serious risks.
/----/ If the US can recover nuclear dust with a "shop vac," so can Iran. It then can be used to build a bomb. We already have teams with experience in doing so.
The 2003 Libya Disarmament Deal
Following months of secret diplomatic negotiations with the United States and the United Kingdom, Gaddafi made a surprise public announcement on December 19, 2003, declaring that Libya would completely abandon its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs. This included their nascent nuclear weapons program, chemical weapons stockpiles, and long-range ballistic missiles.
shockedcanadian
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Since China is still using the railway to trade with Iran there is no pressure for Iran to make a deal.
China is using the same playbook America used to bankrupt and replace Russia, they want more war for the U.S to fund be it in Ukraine or the M.E and China will covertly fund/suppot the nation we are fighting in one form or another.
China is using the same playbook America used to bankrupt and replace Russia, they want more war for the U.S to fund be it in Ukraine or the M.E and China will covertly fund/suppot the nation we are fighting in one form or another.
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JoeB131
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No, the US economy is made up of workers producing goods and services and consumers buying them.
The Capitalist is a parasite that has convinced you he's a vital organ.
Okay, I want you to consider that statement. Trump's net worth increased from $ 4.3 billion to $ 7.3 billion after he returned to the Presidency. You don't see that as corrupt as all get out?
Of course, the only reason why he made that money is that he scammed all you stupid Bleach-Drinkers into buying stock in his media company, which is now trading at $9.00 a share.
Um, no, we used Nukes on a defenseless people who were already seeking surrender Terms.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The Houthis, Hezbollah, and Hamas are all groups fighting against occupiers and governments that don't represent their interests.
Well, the US is. We sponsored the Muhajadeen that eventually became Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
We sponsored the Contras, who flooded our streets with crack cocaine in the 1980s
But we called them "Freedom Fighters", so that made it okay then.
More like, an Anti-Zionist one. We need to stop asking 'How high?" when the Israelis yell "Jump!"
JoeB131
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And how did that work out for them? Eight years later, Gaddafi was murdered by rebels we bankrolled and supported with air power.
MEANWHILE, Kim Jong Il told the West to go screw itself, made a bomb, and now the world kisses his son's fat backside.
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/——/ True, because past presidents kicked the can down the road to avoid the political heat Libtards are dumping on Trump.
JoeB131
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Wow, the point went right over your head, didn't it?
Every past president had the good sense to realize that invading Iran was a terrible idea. Not just Democrats, but Reagan and both Bushes, as much as the Zionist Lobby whined for us to make the mean Ayatollahs go away, they all had the good sense to not attack Iran because we would get EXACTLY this result.
kyzr
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The ballroom is not on hold and will be paid for by "others", except for security upgrades, which will be funded by taxpayers. Point being Trump is keeping his many campaign promises.
He was a JAG, a military law expert, no one has proven him wrong.
If anything is destroyed it can be resurrected/rebuilt, duh.
Tempest fugit means time moves, things happen, you can't keep posting as if time stood still
True, I simply opined that paying Iran for their enriched uranium works for me.
Prove it wrong. Until then its correct.
Point being operational security and the "need to know".
I simply said NK does not appear to be as dangerous as Iran. You side-step, I don't.
We said they "were under rubble" and are being excavated and rebuilt.
As we said, "months to 2 years" from having nukes. A decision was made to enforce the ban.
You can't critique' the agreement until we actually see it.
There is a war. Stop whining about a small bump in the price of gas. If you want gas lower send escorts to help the US open Hormuz.
So the economy is still growing, not headed for a recession, and Kevin Warsh will probably hold interest rates steady the rest of 2026 until gas prices normalize. No problem.
Apparently more-so than whoever put the EU in its current energy predicament.
No you have not. Here it is again, 3rd try:
"do you want Iran to have nuclear weapons and ICBMs or not?" (Yes or No answer please)
No the JCPOA was NOT succeeding. Iran was cheating on it, and it would have ended in 2025 anyway. Trump opted for sanctions in 2018, and opted for a military prohibition in 2026. Iran appears determined to get nuclear weapons and ICBMs even today.
International law needs an enforcement arm. If its not enforced uniformly it doesn't exist.
See, another dodge or side-step to the question. Here it is again:
Is forcibly closing the Strait of Hormuz (an International Strait) a violation of International Law?
If so, what does the ICC or ICJ intend to do about it? Hint: nothing.
We could, if the ship owners want to move thru it.
My old answer still stands.
No matter, the US is not under the ICC or ICJ anyway, so stop whining about "international law".
"Geopolitical Influence", another term for US taxpayers protecting the EU from the Soviet Union and Russia.
Another dodge or side-step. Facts aside, here is the question again, please recall your "Nuremberg" threat to all who violate international law:
...why don't you get the ICC or ICJ to arrest Iran's leaders for closing the Strait of Hormuz, an "International Strait"?????
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shockedcanadian
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I recall watching a video of terrorist fighters in Afghanistan or Iraq and they said that the drones that the U.S employed there scared the hell out of them. They would hear them flying and knew an attack was imminent. Psychologically it was wearing them down as even if they didn't succeed, they were a constant warning.
If attacks resume in Iran, perhaps the U.S should consider purchasing hundreds of drones and using them in such a manner until there is a deal completed.
They want to drag this out as they are leveraging the U.S political process against them. Citizens should be free to have an opinion no question and there are many positions on this war. However, since Iran is still trading with China and they do not feel the pressure, they are just going to delay. It is the same negotiating tactic employed by nations in trade discussions.
If attacks resume in Iran, perhaps the U.S should consider purchasing hundreds of drones and using them in such a manner until there is a deal completed.
They want to drag this out as they are leveraging the U.S political process against them. Citizens should be free to have an opinion no question and there are many positions on this war. However, since Iran is still trading with China and they do not feel the pressure, they are just going to delay. It is the same negotiating tactic employed by nations in trade discussions.
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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You are a ******* child! You don't think we are not doing that already? The idea of a drone is that they can stay in the air for hours and watch and listen to what is going on. They don't need to be loud to scare people.
JoeB131
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yet at the end of the day, the Afghans and Iraqis drove us out.
Iran has the technology to shoot down these very expensive drones.
Hey, Snidely, are the Chinese in the room with us right now?
Here's the real problem we have. The Iranians are used to hardship. We've been inflicting 47 years of hardship on them since they threw out the Shah.
Americans are not. When they are emptying out their wallets to fill the gas tank, that takes a toll on them.
Matted Joybeard
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You don't even have to buy them! Just say there are drones and people will be terrified!
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