Iran to sign deal

[Cellblock2429]

Oh shut the fukk up you lying sack of schit.

He had both houses of congress for 2 years and nobody “tied him up in court” until he was out of office and convicted 34 times.

That you’re admitting he couldn’t focus on his duties is refreshing.... Somehow Clinton balanced the budget and gave us 8 years of peace and prosperity through special counsels and an impeachment. I like that you’re saying your blob couldn’t cut it.

/—-/ He was defending himself from those bullshyt impeachments. And it was a wet Gingrich who forced Clinton to balance the budget. Remember? Only Congress controls the budget.

 

[candycorn]

/—-/ He was defending himself from those bullshyt impeachments.

As was Clinton...

Your blob's impeachements were justified as it was clearly an abuse of power; not a personal dalliance as it was with Clinton.

Yet amazingly we had 8 years of peace and prosperity as opposed to 4 years (and now 2 added on) of complete utter chaos.

If your blob can't focus on two things at one time...thats pretty bad....and your post here--agreeing that he "kicked the can down the road" pretty much confirms it; doesn't it, Stupid?

 

[JoeB131]

/—-/ He was defending himself from those bullshyt impeachments. And it was a wet Gingrich who forced Clinton to balance the budget. Remember? Only Congress controls the budget.

Except what balanced the budget was 1) Clinton bringing in more revenue through making the rich pay their fair share and 2) increased revenue through Clinton's booming economy.

Newt didn't cut anything, and his own caucus eventually threw him out on his can.

 

[White 6]

/-----/ Are you saying Trump would pocket the money? Nah, he's not Hillary Clinton or Joe Bidum.

Don't be a fool. He is already pocketing the money. He just had his DOJ settle a lawsuit out of court, where he was suing the government he runs, in a suit, he would have undoubtedly lost, but he agreed the he would settle for $1.75 Billion Dollars and that he and his family would ever face and IRS audit, again. He is nothing but a crook, and always has been. It looks like Congress will refuse to fund his out of court settlement, as well they should not. Being a known tax cheat, they should crawl up his money laundering ass with a microscope, the minute he is no longer in office.

 

[White 6]

/----/ If the US can recover nuclear dust with a "shop vac," so can Iran. It then can be used to build a bomb. We already have teams with experience in doing so.

The 2003 Libya Disarmament Deal​

Following months of secret diplomatic negotiations with the United States and the United Kingdom, Gaddafi made a surprise public announcement on December 19, 2003, declaring that Libya would completely abandon its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs. This included their nascent nuclear weapons program, chemical weapons stockpiles, and long-range ballistic missiles.

Try not to quiver in your sleep. But, you definitely sound like you should get some rest. It does not look like there is a deal being discussed. Both sides are still shooting rockets. I think the deal thing, was just another Trump administration lie. Looks like the Iranians think it was a lie, also.

 

[Ropey]

It appears Iran is on its last leg, hanging on by a thread. Of course they are famous for breaking every deal they ever signed. Time will tell but it looks like it’s over.

‘Designated target’ Mojtaba Khamenei to sign Trump deal in ‘unprecedented’ courier setup

Experts say the U.S. is negotiating with an invisible counterparty as Mojtaba Khamenei reportedly remains in hiding and relies on secret couriers.

www.foxnews.com

Iran’s supreme leader, Mojtaba Khamenei, would have to approve any final deal with the U.S. through secret courier networks while remaining in hiding as a "designated target," counterterrorism experts said Tuesday.

The unprecedented arrangement, they claimed, means Washington is negotiating a high-stakes accord with an entirely invisible counterparty, with a potential memorandum signed by a regime leader and a "designated target" who can never publicly show his face.

Power in Tehran has shifted further toward the IRGC, making long-term moderation unlikely.

Time will tell, but history and incentives suggest another cycle of temporary accommodation followed by renewed confrontation rather than genuine resolution.

So, Trump is choking off their access to $$$.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Don't be a fool. He is already pocketing the money. He just had his DOJ settle a lawsuit out of court, where he was suing the government he runs, in a suit, he would have undoubtedly lost, but he agreed the he would settle for $1.75 Billion Dollars and that he and his family would ever face and IRS audit, again. He is nothing but a crook, and always has been. It looks like Congress will refuse to fund his out of court settlement, as well they should not. Being a known tax cheat, they should crawl up his money laundering ass with a microscope, the minute he is no longer in office.

Yeah, and what happened when ABC called him a rapist? You had better STFU before Trump sues your dumb ass!

Why do you lie? Were you raised that way or Army training?

 

[Ropey]

Try not to quiver in your sleep. But, you definitely sound like you should get some rest. It does not look like there is a deal being discussed. Both sides are still shooting rockets. I think the deal thing, was just another Trump administration lie. Looks like the Iranians think it was a lie, also.

Do you understand the meaning of: Strategic Ambiguity, Strategic Clarity, and Dual Clarity as used in negotiations?

When Trump gets to Dual Clarity?

Game, Set & Match.

 

[White 6]

Do you understand the meaning of: Strategic Ambiguity, Strategic Clarity, and Dual Clarity as used in negotiations?

When Trump gets to Dual Clarity?

Game, Set & Match.

That moron has not had anything approach clarity, this whole term in office, strategic or otherwise. Game, Set, Match, my ass!

 

[Ropey]

That moron has not had anything approach clarity, this whole term in office, strategic or otherwise.

What's funny is that he's accomplished more in one day than you have in your entire life, Mr. Narcissist.

Game, Set, Match,

It's the only time you will find love.

my ass!

Leave Toro out of this.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Try not to quiver in your sleep. But, you definitely sound like you should get some rest. It does not look like there is a deal being discussed. Both sides are still shooting rockets. I think the deal thing, was just another Trump administration lie. Looks like the Iranians think it was a lie, also.

/—-/ You should try out for the IRGC cheerleading squad.

 

[kyzr]

Capitalism doesn't really work either. We found that out in 1929. And again in 2008.

Unless you're homeless living under a bridge you should know better, nothing beats capitalism.
Its not perfect, the tax structure needs to be fine tuned, and the "social safety net" needs to be fraud-proof.
1929 was sheer stupidity, 2008 was the "Community Reinvestment Act", not "Capitalism's" fault.

You mean other than the 34 felonies he was convicted of?

...soon to be overturned.

There's a difference between "illegal" and unseemly, right? For the President to double his income in one year while shaking down businesses is definitely unseemly.

Doubling income legally is "legal".

No, we started this war with Iran, and it's going to end with Iran winning.

Democrats can keep rooting against America....and lose.

Well, yeah, you could say that, but it simply isn't true. No one was offering Bin Laden up for arrest, and when Clinton did try to kill Bin Laden in 1998, Republicans all screamed he was 'wagging the dog' to distract from the Lewinsky scandal.

There are several versions, here is the one I believe:

• Sudan’s former defense minister Elfatih Erwa later claimed he offered bin Laden to the U.S. at a secret meeting in Virginia.
• Journalist Lawrence Wright (The Looming Tower) found Erwa credible and wrote that Sudan made such an offer.

But you are missing my point. The Muhajadeen and Contras WERE terrorists if you were the Russians or the Sandinistas. Conversely, Hama and Hezbollah are "Freedom fighters" if you are Palestinian.

The Russians invaded AFG, the Muhajadeen were true freedom fighters
Fair point with the Contras, the CIA opposed communist regimes in general.
Israel was ordained a sovereign country, Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorists, NFW they can defeat Israel.

 

[Hypatia415]

Bullsh!t. "JAG" Lindsay Graham is a leading expert in military law.

No he is not.

From 2015 NYT Opinion | Lindsey Graham’s Curious Military Career (Published 2015)

By all accounts, including his own, Senator Lindsey Graham was a good military lawyer during the six and a half years he spent on active duty in the Air Force before he entered politics.

Since leaving active duty in 1989 and joining the Air Force Reserve, Mr. Graham, a Republican from South Carolina who is running for president, appears to have performed very little substantive work for the Air Force. Yet, he rose in rank to colonel and remained in the service until his retirement in June, which entitles him to a monthly $2,773 pension.

An article by Craig Whitlock of The Washington Post shows that though Mr. Graham did very little in the reserve, it was a mutually beneficial arrangement: He was able to keep the honor of the uniform intertwined with his political life and the Air Force got to keep a lawmaker in its ranks who had stature and sway on Capitol Hill. Mr. Graham, a conservative hawk, sits on the Senate appropriations, armed services, budget and judiciary committees.
Also from here: What We Really Know About Lindsey Graham's Military Service - The List

In 2015, when Lindsey Graham was vying with Donald Trump for the Republican nomination for president, The Washington Post used a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to learn a little bit more about the candidate's military career. The outlet claims that, during Graham's years in Congress when he kept getting promoted up the ranks, eventually enjoying the rank of colonel, he was given special treatment as a lawmaker.

The Washington Post reported that, during the first 10 years Graham spent as a member of Congress, he was promoted twice, but documentation showed he barely did any work. At the time, Graham was touting himself as a national security expert due to his decades of military work, even highlighting a plum job from the Pentagon that he apparently never actually performed.

His personnel file even showed that, during that first decade as a reservist and a congressman, Graham did about 108 hours of training, which is equivalent to less than 1.5 days per year.

Link please to your "experts".

Several individuals were included in a link I previously provided.

Stop with that ridiculous argument. Anything that was destroyed/obliterated can be rebuilt.

If something has been obliterated, i.e. destroyed utterly then to recreate it would necessitate going back to basics and starting over from the very beginning and to do that with a nuclear programme would certainly take far longer than a mere nine months.

So is saying: "Being under rubble is not being obliterated. There is a difference."

Ask Trump he is the one who alleged last June that the Iranian nuclear capability had been "totally obliterated".

The bunker busters "obliterated" the centrifuges, and buried them under a mountain.

You can call it "petulance", I call it stupid, linking to an article from 2016? duh.

From here: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R40094

My emphasis.

Pursuant to the JCPOA, Tehran applied additional restrictions on its uranium enrichment program and heavy-water reactor program. Tehran also began implementing the additional protocol to the government's comprehensive safeguards agreement, as well as the modified Code 3.1 of the subsidiary arrangements for that agreement. On the JCPOA's Implementation Day, which took place on January 16, 2016, all of the previous Security Council resolutions' requirements were terminated pursuant to UN Security Council Resolution 2231, which, along with the NPT, composes the current legal framework governing Iran's nuclear program.<a href="https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R40094#fn20" name="ifn20" title="&quot; Joint S tatement by EU High Representative Federica Mogherini and Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif ,&quot; January 16, 2016. For a list of IAEA reports concerning Iran's JCPOA implementation, see Appendix D .">20</a> The IAEA reports findings of its inspection and monitoring activities; the JCPOA-established Joint Commission monitors the parties' implementation of the agreement. However, compliance determinations are national decisions. Until July 2019, all official reports and statements from the United Nations, European Union, the IAEA, and the non-U.S. participating governments indicated that Iran had fulfilled its JCPOA and related Resolution 2231 requirements.<a href="https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R40094#fn21" name="ifn21" title="Iran's stock of heavy water exceeded the JCPOA-required limit of 130 metric tons on two occasions since the P5+1 began implementing the agreement. &quot;In both instances, this issue was resolved after Iran shipped out sufficient amounts of material to get back under the limit,&quot; the State Department reported in April 2017 ( Adherence to and Compliance with Arms Control, Nonproliferation, and Disarmament Agreements and Commitments, Department of State, April 2017). For more information, see CR...">21</a>

Beginning in July 2019, the IAEA verified that some of Iran's nuclear activities were exceeding JCPOA-mandated limits; Iran has since increased the number of activities that violate JCOPA restrictions (see Appendix A). According to IAEA reports, Iran's number of installed centrifuges, enriched uranium stockpile, enriched uranium u-235 concentration, and number of enrichment locations exceed JCPOA-mandated limits. Tehran is also conducting JCPOA-prohibited research and development (R&D) activities, as well as centrifuge installation.

However, by 2019 Trump had withdrawn the USA from the agreement and so Iran had no reason to continue to comply.

True.

Depends if we want the allies to join, like in the Gulf Wars against Saddam.

The first Gulf War was conducted by a UN led initiative against Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. In 2003 many allies of the USA, including my country and the French "cheese eating surrender monkeys" did not join the euphemistically termed Coalition of the Willing.

After trying to close Hormuz and demand tolls you can ask that?

From here: Oman resists US pressure to break ties with Iran over strait of Hormuz

Arman Khorsand, head of Iran’s Department of Environment Center for International Affairs and Environmental Conventions, said this week: “The issue is not charging vessels simply because they pass through the strait. The objective is to secure resources needed to address environmental damage and compensate for the consequences of actions that have undermined the principle of innocent passage.

“US military operations conducted in the region have not only generated security and humanitarian consequences, but have also inflicted significant environmental costs.”

Under widely recognised principles of international law, he said those responsible for causing damage “should bear the costs of remediation”.

One might opine that Mr Khorsand has a point.

Iran is a terrorist state, they terrorize.

Yet you have suggested the USA is little different by condoning what would, if implemented, would amount to war crimes.

We don't want to experience nuclear terroriism.

That is purely speculative. While I detest the Iranian regime and would prefer it did not exist, I do not think that Iran would threaten the USA with nuclear terrorism. As I have noted the current regime may be fanatical but I doubt it is suicidal.

Old news. Iran is trying too access their "buried" enriched uranium:

MSN

Interesting that you consider my link from 2016 to be irrelevant yet happily post a link from 2025.

Satellite Images Capture Activity at Iran’s Fordow Nuclear Site After U.S. Strikes​

Story by Jared Malsin
• 11mo

Minor inconveniences due to the war.

So you keep writing.

Then deal with the consequences of a closed Hormuz.

The Strait was open and functioning normally until Mr Trump decided to start his excursion and bomb Iran. The present situation in the Strait is entirely of America's making.

You either need the oil and object to Iran's violation of international law or you look the other way and get punished economically.

See above.

If you google the price of gas in EU countries its very high, so is the price of electricity. You can do better.

Fuel prices in Europe have always been higher than in the USA. Indeed your present (for the USA) high gas prices are still lower than here.

Another dodge, the final one, there it is. You can't debate honestly.

I have given you my answer. I would rather not see any country, including Iran, with a nuclear capability but I can understand that countries that have nuclear capability do not get threatened by the USA.

You can assume that, we assumed Iran was too close to having nukes and needed to be stopped.

From your own intelligence reports your assumption was wrong.

You can think that, but the US has many more tools in the toolbox than invasion.

Are you suggesting a nuclear option? How do you think Gulf allies would react. As I have noted elsewhere the wind does blow

Oh please. Why did the JCPOA even exist? To stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

You can read the article from Congress.

Trump is just enforcing the intent of the JCPOA.

As that congressional report shows until Trump withdrew the USA from the JCPOA, Iran was complying.

You are the one trying to play the "International Law card" against the US, so I'm saying play it against Iran.

I would have thought you would ascribe a higher ethical position to the USA rather than comparing it to a terrorist state.

Yep, there is no enforcement arm. They are small claims courts.

The court was successful in bringing war criminals to justice.

I already showed you that the US would backstop insurers.

Your claim is not borne out by reality

Only when it does not apply to the US

Once again you seem content to have the USA linked with terrorist and rogue states.

The US was in the EU since WW2, and is still there 70 years later.

The EU did not exist in 1945. The Treaty of Rome was signed in 1957 and the EEC resulted from that.

Yep.

Hence when Netanyahu was planning to visit Budapest, the then leader of Hungary, Orbàn, withdrew Hungary from the ICC.