Iran to sign deal

[22lcidw]

I am sure this thing is going as planned. If we get our way we will have $300B less in cash and $100B less in military equipment, 13 fewer soldiers, a strait that was open before, a more militant Iranian leader younger and healthier than his dad, and still no resolution on nuclear material but the best case is the same agreement on nuclear stuff the JCPOA had under Obama.

What would we have won?

The Ayatollahs like the terrorists are the same. They act the same. Just like the Progressives here at home do. The stench of decay is with you. When it comes to the conflict, the deal being made every day or two ends up not happening is turning into fatigue. Paying Iran off, will not be popular if it happens. With anything else though with progs, their statements must be verified.

 

[citygator]

The Ayatollahs like the terrorists are the same. They act the same. Just like the Progressives here at home do. The stench of decay is with you. When it comes to the conflict, the deal being made every day or two ends up not happening is turning into fatigue. Paying Iran off, will not be popular if it happens. With anything else though with progs, their statements must be verified.

Your orange god is getting his ass reamed by Iran. It's embarrassing. Even you can see that.

 

[task0778]

What I hear coming out of Iran is a gov't that will not honor any deal they make. I think it's time to go big or go home cuz these guys are waiting us out more than we are to them. And the difference is, they don't give a damn about their own people cuz it's all in the service to Allah. Whereas we have an election coming up with IMHO a very strong chance of a resurgent DNP that wins back the House and/or Senate.

I think Trump has put himself in a lose-lose situation. If he ends the war now then he's a loser that took us to a war and didn't win it and that is political suicide. Nobody is going to believe a word he says about winning this or that and how we're better off and safer. Bullshit. And if the war goes on with no end in sight, then he's also a loser for starting a war that led to a weaker US economy with higher inflation. And for what? I don't know if we have the necessary munitions to bomb the piss out of Iran, but if not then it looks like it was all a big waste of time, blood, and money.

 

[citygator]

What I hear coming out of Iran is a gov't that will not honor any deal they make. I think it's time to go big or go home cuz these guys are waiting us out more than we are to them. And the difference is, they don't give a damn about their own people cuz it's all in the service to Allah. Whereas we have an election coming up with IMHO a very strong chance of a resurgent DNP that wins back the House and/or Senate.

I think Trump has put himself in a lose-lose situation. If he ends the war now then he's a loser that took us to a war and didn't win it and that is political suicide. Nobody is going to believe a word he says about winning this or that and how we're better off and safer. Bullshit. And if the war goes on with no end in sight, then he's also a loser for starting a war that led to a weaker US economy with higher inflation. And for what? I don't know if we have the necessary munitions to bomb the piss out of Iran, but if not then it looks like it was all a big waste of time, blood, and money.

They know Trump is a lame duck without any support or coattails. Waiting him out is likely what they intend.

 

[kyzr]

I fail to see why you are making assumptions about my political leanings.

Leftists hate Trump. Your posts seem out of left field. Its not a crime. But I would think that the EU people would have smartened up by now. Some are apparently slow learners.

That the USA never ratified the Rome Statue does not negate a potential war crime.

Yes it does. Just try to arrest an American for following legal orders. See what happens.

As I noted, the Iranian regime is not bothered about the suffering of the Iranian population.

Every regime has a breaking point.

That is your view but it may not be his.

Correct. We'll just have to wait and watch to see if its TACO.

Iran did not have nukes and IBMs. Why do you keep peddling a lie?

I never said they had nukes, my posts prove that Iran had the capability, enriched uranium, and were only weeks away if they wanted 11 nukes. Your approval/acceptance of Iran having nukes and ICBMs is a strategic error the the JCPOA failed to prevent.

Do you imagine the insurers will accept that? What about the risk to US military personnel? Does Trump want body bags coming home?

Its a war. The US is willing to backstop the insurers. Ship owners are apparently too cheap to pay combat pay or a bonus for transiting the strait under escort. US escorts successfully protected ships that transited Hormuz under Project Freedom, so no US body bags are anticipated, just Iranian speed boats getting blown up.

Therefore the regime was and is nowhere near being capable of producing a nuclear weapon.

That is a lie. Admitting having 460 kg of 60% enriched uranium, along with missiles with a 3,00 mile range, prove Iran's hostile intentions. Why was the JCPOA even necessary if Iran had no intentions of developing nukes? The JCPOA expired.

Witkoff's expertise is as a real estate lawyer.

So what? All he needs to know is that Iran cannot have nuclear weapons, and we want the 460 kg of 60% enriched uranium, and Iran can't buy or own a nuclear weapon. The war continues until Iran agrees to those terms.

Again you are incorrect.
The USA under Trump announced its withdrawal from the JCPOA in May 2018.

I am not incorrect. The JCPOA had an expiration date, Trump's policy does not.

And while the JCPOA was in force Iran kept to that agreement.

What part of "the JCPOA had an expiration date" don't you understand?

You might think that but it seems many of your compatriots do not. From here: Walmart warns US shoppers are cutting spending as higher petrol prices bite
Walmart has warned higher petrol prices are causing US consumers to cut spending elsewhere as the war with Iran continues to squeeze household budgets.
The retail giant expects its sales growth between May and July to slow significantly from the previous three months, with higher prices at the pump to blame.
The conflict in the Middle East has led to a surge in wholesale oil prices, in turn pushing up the price of petrol for Americans.

Some shoppers are cutting back especially Walmart shoppers. However many are not.
The economy (GDP) and stock-market are still growing.

I would prefer that no country had nuclear weapons but one cannot undo the past nor can one destroy knowledge.
However, from the Iranian regime's POV it sees that the USA does not attack countries with such a capability

So you are still okay with Iran having nukes and ICBMs. We are not and are willing to step up and prevent it.
You haven't said what would the consequences of Iran having nukes and ICBMs would be for the ME and the world.
Would that start an arms race for all Gulf states to get nukes? Yes it would.

The situation of an unnecessary war and a rising cost of living. Both being the complete opposite of what Trump promised when campaigning

A necessary war, and temporary rise in the cost of living. Bidenflation cost US families a loss of $11,400 in buying power.

If its capability was "totally obliterated" then explain how barely a year later it was in a position to produce a nuclear weapon. Your claim is also rejected by US intelligence

Link to your "US intelligence" claim please. I call bullsh!t.

What part of committing a potential war crime do you not understand?

Its not a US war crime. Nor is it an illegal US order.

Nor did you address my question about military personnel refusing to carry out orders.

No one would disobey a legitimate order. I told you, we are not under the ICC.

How do you envisage Iran would be put back in the Stone Age?

No oil, no infrastructure, no powerplants, no bridges, no airports, etc.

If Iran just ended negotiations over the war in Lebanon, maybe Trump can light them up again?

 

[Hypatia415]

Leftists hate Trump.

Oh I see. So any criticism of your president is assumed by you to from be a Leftist who hates Trump? Isn't that a somewhat paranoid viewpoint?

Your posts seem out of left field. Its not a crime.

(sarcasm) I am very pleased to read that.

But I would think that the EU people would have smartened up by now.

Smartened up to what? Trump? He is merely a temporary blip on the world stage. Another two and half years and he will be gone, assuming he does not die in office.

Yes it does. Just try to arrest an American for following legal orders. See what happens.

If a member of the military deems an order illegal they are entitled to refuse to carry it out.

Every regime has a breaking point.

The question is which regime will blink first? Trump's or Iran's?

Correct. We'll just have to wait and watch to see if its TACO.

Given Trump's track record in that department....

I never said they had nukes, my posts prove that Iran had the capability, enriched uranium, and were only weeks away if they wanted 11 nukes.

It was not weeks away. From here: Was Iran ‘weeks away’ from having a nuclear weapon?

Brendan Green, a University of Cincinnati associate professor and expert on nuclear strategy, said Trump’s and Gabbard’s comments are not at odds.

"The (intelligence community) is saying: We do not believe Iran has made a decision to weaponize its highly enriched uranium stocks," Green said. "The President is saying: If Iran decided to weaponize, it could do so fairly rapidly, given its current (highly enriched uranium) stocks."

While Iran was close to having the enriched uranium to the level needed for bomb-making, experts said it would take months to two years to build a nuclear bomb. How quickly Iran could possess a nuclear weapon was used as the basis for Israel and the U.S. to strike.

Iran didn’t yet have a bomb ready to launch, said Michael Singh, managing director at The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, an organization that promotes understanding of American interests in the Middle East.

Although having bomb-grade uranium is "only one step in having a bomb ready to launch, it is a vital one because once Iran produced the enriched uranium, it could transport it and hide it, making it difficult to detect further steps toward producing a weapon," Singh said. He worked as a special assistant to secretaries of state Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell.

Shawn Rostker, a research analyst at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, said uranium enrichment is one part of the process, "but building a nuclear weapon requires additional steps like warhead design and delivery system integration."

Your approval/acceptance of Iran having nukes and ICBMs is a strategic error the the JCPOA failed to prevent.

The agreement was working but Trump's loathing of Obama led to him simply having to withdraw the USA from something Obama had initiated.

Its a war.

Not until Congress signs off on it.

The US is willing to backstop the insurers.

Is it? What evidence are you citing?

Ship owners are apparently too cheap to pay combat pay or a bonus for transiting the strait under escort.

That reads like personal pique.

US escorts successfully protected ships that transited Hormuz under Project Freedom

For a whole 24 hours! Then Trump shelved it because the Saudis refused permission to use their bases or airspace.

so no US body bags are anticipated, just Iranian speed boats getting blown up.

Unless Hegseth persuades him to put boots on the ground of course.

That is a lie. Admitting having 460 kg of 60% enriched uranium, along with missiles with a 3,00 mile range, prove Iran's hostile intentions.

Does the USA have hostile intentions with its nuclear capability?

Why was the JCPOA even necessary if Iran had no intentions of developing nukes? The JCPOA expired.

The JCPOA's expiry date was October 2025. Trump withdrew from that agreement in 2018.

So what? All he needs to know is that Iran cannot have nuclear weapons, and we want the 460 kg of 60% enriched uranium, and Iran can't buy or own a nuclear weapon. The war continues until Iran agrees to those terms.

It is not a war until Congress deems it to be one.

I am not incorrect. The JCPOA had an expiration date

You are incorrect by stating The JCPOA expired as it had not expired in 2018. It has expired now.

What part of "the JCPOA had an expiration date" don't you understand?

What part of the agreement's duration do you not understand?

Some shoppers are cutting back especially Walmart shoppers. However many are not.

What evidence are you citing for that second sentence?

The economy (GDP) and stock-market are still growing.

That is separate from the issues affecting ordinary citizens.

So you are still okay with Iran having nukes and ICBMs.

Did you not read my earlier comment on nuclear weapons?

You haven't said what would the consequences of Iran having nukes and ICBMs would be for the ME and the world.

I do not have a crystal ball. However, I suspect rather like North Korea or China or Pakistan the Iranian capability would have no impact on the world. However, it would even up the situation in the Middle East and Israel would no longer be the sole nuclear power.

Would that start an arms race for all Gulf states to get nukes? Yes it would.

Do you have a crystal ball?

A necessary war

It was not necessary. Negotiations were taking place and the intermediaries had hopes of being close to an agreement. Then Trump decided to start bombing.

, and temporary rise in the cost of living. Bidenflation cost US families a loss of $11,400 in buying power.

Can you not let the Biden years rest? You cannot keep blaming a former administration for your country's problems.

Link to your "US intelligence" claim please. I call bullsh!t.

See above.

Its not a US war crime. Nor is it an illegal US order.

Destroying bridges, power plants, and desalination plants would violate international law and therefore military personnel would be completely justified in refusing to carry out such orders.

No one would disobey a legitimate order. I told you, we are not under the ICC.

Such orders would not be legitimate. I remind you again that individuals were hanged at Nuremberg for carrying out what they deemed to be legitimate orders.

No oil, no infrastructure, no powerplants, no bridges, no airports, etc.

Also known as war crimes.

If Iran just ended negotiations over the war in Lebanon, maybe Trump can light them up again?

Bear in mind the stockpiles have been substantially depleted.

 

[EMH]

for breaking every deal they ever signed.

any examples of that, or is that just a Fox Faux News "talking point" you religiously parroted...

 

[Spaniard22]

No oil, no infrastructure, no powerplants, no bridges, no airports, etc.

If Iran just ended negotiations over the war in Lebanon, maybe Trump can light them up again?

Then no oil, no infrastructure, no powerplants, no bridges, no airports in the entire region, as Iran would retaliate.

Iran destroyed 20% of Qatar's LNG production capacity when Israel attacked the largest Iranian gas field.

Gulf nations own some massive sovereign funds, which sustain major investments worldwide, and they are also big buyers of western technologies.

 

[kyzr]

Your orange god is getting his ass reamed by Iran. It's embarrassing. Even you can see that.

How so? Iran has no oil revenue, the ceasefire is over, I hope Trump lights up their powerplants, pumping stations to the Caspian, and RR bridges to China. Zero revenue. That is getting reamed.

 

[kyzr]

Then no oil, no infrastructure, no powerplants, no bridges, no airports in the entire region, as Iran would retaliate.
Iran destroyed 20% of Qatar's LNG production capacity when Israel attacked the largest Iranian gas field.
Gulf nations own some massive sovereign funds, which sustain major investments worldwide, and they are also big buyers of western technologies.

I have not seen any Iranian drones or missiles getting thru lately.
Trump can tighten the thumb screws as much as necessary.

 

[Spaniard22]

I have not seen any Iranian drones or missiles getting thru lately.
Trump can tighten the thumb screws as much as necessary.

seriously...

 

[citygator]

How so? Iran has no oil revenue, the ceasefire is over, I hope Trump lights up their powerplants, pumping stations to the Caspian, and RR bridges to China. Zero revenue. That is getting reamed.

You hoping doesnt change where we are:

• Down $100B in equipment
• Closed strait still
• Nuclear Iran still
• Oppressive regime still, but younger and more adversarial
• Rumored to be offering a $300B rebuild package
• No deals agreed to and Iran walked away from the table

So... hope away my friend.

 

[MarathonMike]

No, no, no, Little Marco just told us Iran has been at war with us for 47 years.

Oh FFS, the US has FINALLY engaged the war that Iran initiated 47 years ago. We've been engaged in the war for less than 3 months. The distortions from Trump Haters never stop whether it's the Democratic Party or their stooges.

 

[kyzr]

Oh I see. So any criticism of your president is assumed by you to from be a Leftist who hates Trump? Isn't that a somewhat paranoid viewpoint?

Its factually correct. Leftists hate Trump.

Smartened up to what? Trump? He is merely a temporary blip on the world stage. Another two and half years and he will be gone, assuming he does not die in office.

I was talking about Trump's recent criticisms of the EU, energy policies, immigration policies, military spending, etc.

Trump at the WEF: What Did He Say About Energy at Davos?

US President Donald Trump's speech at Davos focused on the future of the US energy landscape, while also criticising the EU and China over energy

energydigital.com

If a member of the military deems an order illegal they are entitled to refuse to carry it out.

Only if it is illegal under US military codes.

The question is which regime will blink first? Trump's or Iran's?

Exactly.

Given Trump's track record in that department....

I know. I wouldn't bet real money on it. We'll see.

It was not weeks away. From here: Was Iran ‘weeks away’ from having a nuclear weapon?
Brendan Green, a University of Cincinnati associate professor and expert on nuclear strategy, said Trump’s and Gabbard’s comments are not at odds.
"The (intelligence community) is saying: We do not believe Iran has made a decision to weaponize its highly enriched uranium stocks," Green said. "The President is saying: If Iran decided to weaponize, it could do so fairly rapidly, given its current (highly enriched uranium) stocks."
While Iran was close to having the enriched uranium to the level needed for bomb-making, experts said it would take months to two years to build a nuclear bomb. How quickly Iran could possess a nuclear weapon was used as the basis for Israel and the U.S. to strike.
Iran didn’t yet have a bomb ready to launch, said Michael Singh, managing director at The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, an organization that promotes understanding of American interests in the Middle East.
Although having bomb-grade uranium is "only one step in having a bomb ready to launch, it is a vital one because once Iran produced the enriched uranium, it could transport it and hide it, making it difficult to detect further steps toward producing a weapon," Singh said. He worked as a special assistant to secretaries of state Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell.
Shawn Rostker, a research analyst at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, said uranium enrichment is one part of the process, "but building a nuclear weapon requires additional steps like warhead design and delivery system integration."

My takeaway from that is: "experts said it would take months to two years". Months is like weeks, not very long, call it imminent

The agreement was working but Trump's loathing of Obama led to him simply having to withdraw the USA from something Obama had initiated.

The JCPOA was expired before Trump launched the war. Expired. Over. Done. Gone. Not there.

Not until Congress signs off on it.

True.

Is it? What evidence are you citing?

Bessent Says Hormuz Ships Insurance Program to Start Soon

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said a US insurance program meant to boost shipping through the Strait of Hormuz will begin soon, a move that may help

www.insurancejournal.com

That reads like personal pique.

The ships can rot there. Or they can move.

For a whole 24 hours! Then Trump shelved it because the Saudis refused permission to use their bases or airspace.

1. It worked.
2. It was stopped, as you say. Curious, I would have thought the Sauds would like oil moving.

Unless Hegseth persuades him to put boots on the ground of course.

No need

Does the USA have hostile intentions with its nuclear capability?

MAD

The JCPOA's expiry date was October 2025. Trump withdrew from that agreement in 2018.

It had an end date. The end date 10/25 was before Trump launched the war, 2/26. Iran could legally get nukes.

It is not a war until Congress deems it to be one.

A formality. Its about funding.

You are incorrect by stating The JCPOA expired as it had not expired in 2018. It has expired now.

We didn't attack in 2018 did we? You are incorrect saying/implying the JCPOA would have been in effect.

What part of the agreement's duration do you not understand?

The part that lets Iran get nukes after it expires.

What evidence are you citing for that second sentence?

Store earnings, like Target.

That is separate from the issues affecting ordinary citizens.

Not really. Making up for $50 or even $100 more a month in gas isn't that bad for most.

Did you not read my earlier comment on nuclear weapons?

yes. So?

I do not have a crystal ball. However, I suspect rather like North Korea or China or Pakistan the Iranian capability would have no impact on the world. However, it would even up the situation in the Middle East and Israel would no longer be the sole nuclear power.

Know what the 12th Imam is?

Do you have a crystal ball?

I'm well read with a photographic memory...<g>

Saudi Arabia's crown prince warned that if Iran gets a nuke 'we have to get one' too

Amid faltering attempts to get Iran to rein in its nuclear program, Saudi Arabia is signaling that it's seeking a weapon of its own.

www.businessinsider.com

It was not necessary. Negotiations were taking place and the intermediaries had hopes of being close to an agreement. Then Trump decided to start bombing.

Iranians are talented at stringing along "diplomats". As your link said "months" away from nukes.

Can you not let the Biden years rest? You cannot keep blaming a former administration for your country's problems.

His dismal record needs to be mentioned when Trump is criticized. Trump had a royal mess to fix.

Destroying bridges, power plants, and desalination plants would violate international law and therefore military personnel would be completely justified in refusing to carry out such orders.

Nope.

Such orders would not be legitimate. I remind you again that individuals were hanged at Nuremberg for carrying out what they deemed to be legitimate orders.

You don't know US military codes. I have no doubt those legal orders would be carried out. The ICC has no authority in the US.

Bear in mind the stockpiles have been substantially depleted.

The US recently quadrupled ordinance production. We have more than enough to finish what we started.

 

[Cellblock2429]

any examples of that, or is that just a Fox Faux News "talking point" you religiously parroted...

/----/ Do your own damn research. I don't work for you.
Hint: Post this question on Gimini: You are an expert on the Middle East, specifically Iran. List any and all treaties they broke since 1979.

But if you find it too difficult, ask, and I'll provide the answer.

 

[White 6]

So why are you so anxious for Iran to get nukes and ICBMs?
They have enough enriched uranium for 11 bombs. All they need is the order to build it.
They demonstrated their ICBM program with the missile with 3,000 mile range targeting Diego Garcia.

Iran claimed to have enough uranium for 11 nuclear bombs, US envoy Witkoff says

Iranian officials told their US counterparts at crunch talks in Switzerland last week that the Islamic Republic possessed enough enriched material to build 11 nuclear bombs, President Trump’s…

nypost.com

Again. Not anxious or wanting. But, Trump said he obliterated their program. He did not say, simply buried it, only needing a shovel to dig it out and restart. Obliterate means destroy completely. Even his to cabinet and department heads in position to know, due to their job said the program had not restarted and no further enrichment had taken place since. If they are lying, they came up with the same lie, verifying what Trump saids almost a year ago. That was within 2 weeks him (Dumbass Donny) starting his little war of opportunity to please Israel, and without discussing with the Senate and House of Representatives. The man is a menace to the planet, and far more dangerous to the US than towel head fanatics in Iran. Congress needs to vote down his authority to carry on his war. You, sir, are a coward for nothing. I am older, and well remember when the Russians tried to park operational nuclear weapons in Cuba, 90 miles for Florida. That was different. Get a grip. Wake up and take a good look at the situation. The idiot miscalculated his 3 day to two week timetable for accomplishing his goals, just like his commie idol Putin on his invasion of Ukraine, that was supposed to be done in two weeks, but now has been 4 years, just due to his stupidity, and now looking like he will lose, as he should. Do you want a years long war with Iran? It is not worth it. Congress should pull the plug.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Do you think Trump believes in a Heavenly judgement.

No, Trump is an atheist. But i think he worries that it might be true and wonders if he needs to hedge his bets. He has been talking about this sort of nonsense lately.

 

[EMH]

/----/ Do your own damn research. I don't work for you.
Hint: Post this question on Gimini: You are an expert on the Middle East, specifically Iran. List any and all treaties they broke since 1979.

But if you find it too difficult, ask, and I'll provide the answer.

You lied

You don't have an actual example of it

You don't care

You just want America's troops sold out to fight for Israel and that is all you care about...

 

[Spaniard22]

If the war ends, his government collapses and he goes to jail. That's it

This is about saving his own ass at home. He has not succeed in disarming a much weaker smaller militia in Gaza after 2 and a half years of intense bombing.

Netanyahu doesn’t want Trump to end the Iran war

President Donald Trump’s relationship with Benjamin Netanyahu is growing increasingly strained thanks to disagreements over the Iran war. The clearest sign of these tensions is the escalation of Israeli military activity against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. Over the weekend, Netanyahu ordered...

unherd.com

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/06/01/netanyahu-led-trump-into-iran-war-now-wont-let-him-end-it/

Ben-Gvir Says Israel ‘Will Not Allow’ Trump to Make a Peace Deal With Iran as IDF Kills Dozens in Lebanon | Common Dreams

An ex-Israeli diplomat said Israel was "moving to bury not only the supposed ceasefire in Lebanon but also talks on Iran" because its policy "is an endless and wide regional war."

www.commondreams.org

 

[Cellblock2429]

You lied

You don't have an actual example of it

You don't care

You just want America's troops sold out to fight for Israel and that is all you care about.../—-/ Couldn’t figure it out, eh?