Iran 'dangerous' for world peace by targeting Israel, Bush says, warning 2-state solution 'very difficult’

[irosie91]

Wrong.
It is well documented the US gave Saddam many types of WMD for use against Iran.
Saddam transferred NOTHING to Assad, as he was Sunni and Assad was Shiite.
They were both Baathists, but that did not get to the level of sharing weapons.
And in fact, the inspectors found nothing significant in Syria either.

wrong again Assad is an ALAWITE----a spin-off
of sunni----both are baathists. Assad built
steel lined vaults in the hills between Syria and
Lebanon------did you INSPECT THEM? can you
get me a pass?

 

[Rigby5]

for american ATTITUDES and "BELIEFS" --try to
RECALL Jay Leno's JAY WALKS

BBC NEWS | Americas | Bush administration on Iraq 9/11 link

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Bush administration on Iraq 9/11 link

US President George W Bush has explicitly stated for the first time that there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks. Mr Bush has never directly accused the former Iraqi leader of having a hand in the attacks on New York and Washington, but he has repeatedly associated the two in keynote addresses delivered since 11 September. Senior members of his administration have similarly conflated the two. A recent opinion poll suggests that 70% of Americans believe the Iraqi leader was personally involved in the attacks. Despite his stated rejection of any clear link between Saddam Hussein and the events of that day, Mr Bush continues to assert that the deposed president had ties with al-Qaeda, the terrorist network blamed for the 11 September attacks. BBC News Online looks at some of the remarks made by Mr Bush and members of his administration both in the run-up to war and after hostilities had officially ended. Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror. President Bush in his State of the Union address, January 2002. The speech was primarily concerned with how the US was coping in the aftermath of 11 September. We also must never forget the most vivid events of recent history. On 11 September, 2001, America felt its vulnerability - even to threats that gather on the other side of the earth. We resolved then, and we are resolved today, to confront every threat, from any source, that could bring sudden terror and suffering to America. President Bush speaking in Cincinnati, Ohio, in October, 2002, in which he laid out the threat he believed Iraq posed. Before 11 September 2001, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents and lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons, and other plans - this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take just one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known. President Bush in his State of the Union address, January 2003. He made these comments in the context of the links he perceived between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. The terrorists have lost a sponsor in Iraq. And no terrorist networks will ever gain weapons of mass destruction from Saddam Hussein's regime. President Bush in his speech to the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia, September, 2003. For America, there will be no going back to the era before 11 September 2001, to false comfort in a dangerous world. We have learned that terrorist attacks are not caused by the use of strength. They are invited by the perception of weakness. And the surest way to avoid attacks on our own people is to engage the enemy where he lives and plans. We are fighting that enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan today so that we do not meet him again on our own streets, in our own cities. President Bush in a televised address to defend his administration's policy on Iraq, September 2003. ...}

 

[irosie91]

Mustard gas is not lethal, was given to Iraq by the US, and was all used up in the war with Iran.

nope----your Imam lied again-----Mustard gas is
very lethal ---especially to children----depending
on where it touches----death can be VERY
PROLONGED. -----you like that sort of thing ???
huh??

 

[Rigby5]

right---the good man emulated AL NABI----only
they "GUILTY" died

Iraq was anti-terrorist, an ally of the US, and did whatever we told him to do.
Attacking Saddam was totally being a traitor to a trusted ally.

 

[irosie91]

There is no way to rationally discuss anything with anyone who believes "Nazi's" is a proper rebuttal.

There is no way of discussing the use of
Nitrogen Mustard gas in the Middle east
without KNOWING HOW IT GOT THERE

 

[Rigby5]

wrong again Assad is an ALAWITE----a spin-off
of sunni----both are baathists. Assad built
steel lined vaults in the hills between Syria and
Lebanon------did you INSPECT THEM? can you
get me a pass?

No, Alawite is a tribe, not religion, and they essentially are Shiite, not Sunni.
Baathist is just a political party, which is a temporary convenience, not even a tribe or religion.

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The Alawis, Alawites (Arabic: علوية‎ Alawīyah), or Nusayris[14] (Arabic: نصيرية‎ Nuṣayrīyah) are a sect of Shia Islam.
...}

Alawites - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The UN inspected Syria, so I do not have to.

 

[pknopp]

There is no way of discussing the use of
Nitrogen Mustard gas in the Middle east
without KNOWING HOW IT GOT THERE

As I said, that's just a distraction and excuse. Dead is dead is dead. It's no better to randomly drop bombs on people and kill them than it is to gas them.

 

[irosie91]

No, Alawite is a tribe, not religion, and they essentially are Shiite, not Sunni.
Baathist is just a political party, which is a temporary convenience, not even a tribe or religion.

{...
The Alawis, Alawites (Arabic: علوية‎ Alawīyah), or Nusayris[14] (Arabic: نصيرية‎ Nuṣayrīyah) are a sect of Shia Islam.
...}

Alawites - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The UN inspected Syria, so I do not have to.

Your source and YOU are both wrong---ALAWITE IS A SECT does not mean that it is a "tribe". It is break off RELIGIOUS SECT---and it does have some shiite
elements BUT its origin is sunni. As to "SYRIA was
inspected"------you are delerious

 

[Rigby5]

nope----your Imam lied again-----Mustard gas is
very lethal ---especially to children----depending
on where it touches----death can be VERY
PROLONGED. -----you like that sort of thing ???
huh??

Turns out you are right it can be lethal.
But we did not give Saddam much so he never was able to use much, and the Iranians likely started using it first.
So mustard gas is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[irosie91]

As I said, that's just a distraction and excuse. Dead is dead is dead. It's no better to randomly drop bombs on people and kill them than it is to gas them.

randomly drop bombs? that has not been done
since your black booted pals strafed London

 

[irosie91]

Turns out you are right it can be lethal.
But we did not give Saddam much so he never was able to use much, and the Iranians likely started using it first.
So mustard gas is irrelevant to the discussion.

we did not give him ANY. The USA never
manufactured nitrogen mustard gas. You
got a link to IRANIAN USE OF NITROGEN MUSTARD? well---no you don't
In the past 80 years its been a BAATHIST THING

 

[Rigby5]

Your source and YOU are both wrong---ALAWITE IS A SECT does not mean that it is a "tribe". It is break off RELIGIOUS SECT---and it does have some shiite
elements BUT its origin is sunni. As to "SYRIA was
inspected"------you are delerious

Alawites are not just a sect because they have a regional association.
They represent an ethnicity as well.
And in the conflicts in Syria, those opposing the Alawites are all Sunni.

{...
They characterised the older name (which implied "a separate ethnic and religious identity") as an "invention of the sect's enemies", ostensibly favouring an emphasis on "connection with mainstream Islam"—particularly the Shia branch.[28] As such, "Nusayri" is now generally regarded as antiquated, and has even come to have insulting and abusive connotations. The term is frequently employed as hate speech by Sunni fundamentalists fighting against Bashar al-Assad's government in the Syrian civil war, who use its emphasis on Ibn Nusayr in order to insinuate that Alawi beliefs are "man-made" and not divinely inspired.[29]
...}

 

[irosie91]

Alawites are not just a sect because they have a regional association.
They represent an ethnicity as well.
And in the conflicts in Syria, those opposing the Alawites are all Sunni.

{...
They characterised the older name (which implied "a separate ethnic and religious identity") as an "invention of the sect's enemies", ostensibly favouring an emphasis on "connection with mainstream Islam"—particularly the Shia branch.[28] As such, "Nusayri" is now generally regarded as antiquated, and has even come to have insulting and abusive connotations. The term is frequently employed as hate speech by Sunni fundamentalists fighting against Bashar al-Assad's government in the Syrian civil war, who use its emphasis on Ibn Nusayr in order to insinuate that Alawi beliefs are "man-made" and not divinely inspired.[29]
...}

not only do you lie lots, you cut and paste lots

 

[Rigby5]

we did not give him ANY. The USA never
manufactured nitrogen mustard gas. You
got a link to IRANIAN USE OF NITROGEN MUSTARD? well---no you don't
In the past 80 years its been a BAATHIST THING

I read many sources during the Iran/Iraq war saying the US was supplying Iraq with chemical weapons.
This is not a great source, but not worth my time.

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Personal meeting between Saddam and Rumsfeld
American poison gas for Saddam, courtesy of Rumsfeld

By Daan de Wit
This article has been translated into English by Marienella Meulensteen

By having a personal meeting with Saddam Hussein in 1983, the American Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld took care of it that American companies started to deliver poison gas to Iraq. He cleared the way 'for U.S. companies to sell Baghdad biological and chemical weapons components, including anthrax and bubonic plague cultures, according to newly declassified U.S. Government documents', as it is to be read in The Times. 'Mr Rumsfeld’s 90-minute meeting with Saddam, preceded by a warm handshake [...] was captured on film [...]'. See the footage at the bottom of this article.

The policy of the U.S. lasted until just before the attack on Kuwait
The Washington Post writes: 'Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on an "almost daily" basis in defiance of international conventions.' The Times: 'The policy was followed with such vigour over the next seven years that on July 25, 1990, only one week before Saddam invaded Kuwait, the U.S. Ambassador to Baghdad met Saddam to assure him that President Bush “wanted better and deeper relations”.' That same Ambassador, April Glaspie, gave Saddam the green light for the invasion of Kuwait (see this DeepJournal).

U.S. main supplier Saddam
'To prevent Iraqi defeat in the Iran-Iraq war, which was started by Iraq and lasted from 1980 to 1988, the Reagan Administration began supplying Saddam with battlefield intelligence on Iranian troop movements. By the end of the decade, Washington had authorised the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications. These included poisonous chemicals and biological viruses, among them anthrax and bubonic plague.' Up to this day, the Americans have problems to keep the Plague inside their laboratories. Today it became known that the lost Plague samples from the Texan university have been found again.'According to an affidavit sworn by Howard Teicher, a former National Security Council official during the Reagan Administration, the U.S. “actively supported the Iraqi war effort by supplying the Iraqis with billions of dollars of credits, by providing military intelligence and advice to the Iraqis, and by closely monitoring third-country arms sales to Iraq to make sure Iraq had the military weaponry required.” Mr. Teicher said that William Casey, the former CIA Director, used a Chilean front company to supply Baghdad with cluster bombs.'
...}

American poison gas for Saddam, courtesy of Rumsfeld - DeepJournal

DeepJournal

www.deepjournal.com

 

[Rigby5]

not only do you lie lots, you cut and paste lots

Lying is the opposite of "cut'n'paste".
Pick one or the other, you can't be against both.

 

[irosie91]

I read many sources during the Iran/Iraq war saying the US was supplying Iraq with chemical weapons.
This is not a great source, but not worth my time.

{...
Personal meeting between Saddam and Rumsfeld
American poison gas for Saddam, courtesy of Rumsfeld

By Daan de Wit
This article has been translated into English by Marienella Meulensteen

By having a personal meeting with Saddam Hussein in 1983, the American Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld took care of it that American companies started to deliver poison gas to Iraq. He cleared the way 'for U.S. companies to sell Baghdad biological and chemical weapons components, including anthrax and bubonic plague cultures, according to newly declassified U.S. Government documents', as it is to be read in The Times. 'Mr Rumsfeld’s 90-minute meeting with Saddam, preceded by a warm handshake [...] was captured on film [...]'. See the footage at the bottom of this article.

The policy of the U.S. lasted until just before the attack on Kuwait
The Washington Post writes: 'Declassified documents show that Rumsfeld traveled to Baghdad at a time when Iraq was using chemical weapons on an "almost daily" basis in defiance of international conventions.' The Times: 'The policy was followed with such vigour over the next seven years that on July 25, 1990, only one week before Saddam invaded Kuwait, the U.S. Ambassador to Baghdad met Saddam to assure him that President Bush “wanted better and deeper relations”.' That same Ambassador, April Glaspie, gave Saddam the green light for the invasion of Kuwait (see this DeepJournal).

U.S. main supplier Saddam
'To prevent Iraqi defeat in the Iran-Iraq war, which was started by Iraq and lasted from 1980 to 1988, the Reagan Administration began supplying Saddam with battlefield intelligence on Iranian troop movements. By the end of the decade, Washington had authorised the sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian applications. These included poisonous chemicals and biological viruses, among them anthrax and bubonic plague.' Up to this day, the Americans have problems to keep the Plague inside their laboratories. Today it became known that the lost Plague samples from the Texan university have been found again.'According to an affidavit sworn by Howard Teicher, a former National Security Council official during the Reagan Administration, the U.S. “actively supported the Iraqi war effort by supplying the Iraqis with billions of dollars of credits, by providing military intelligence and advice to the Iraqis, and by closely monitoring third-country arms sales to Iraq to make sure Iraq had the military weaponry required.” Mr. Teicher said that William Casey, the former CIA Director, used a Chilean front company to supply Baghdad with cluster bombs.'
...}

American poison gas for Saddam, courtesy of Rumsfeld - DeepJournal

DeepJournal

www.deepjournal.com

^^^^^^ bullshit

 

[irosie91]

Lying is the opposite of "cut'n'paste".
Pick one or the other, you can't be against both.

you do both------

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Huh, what do you know. He had eight years in office, all of it well ingrained in the M.E. How did he leave it?

Now, the Never Trumper and his Neo-Con brass band are concerned about Iran. Sorry bud, you're no longer in office and the guy who won gets to decide policy. Maybe your policies had something to do with Irans expansion and might? Especially now that they are very close with China.

Bushes China-First "globalism" plan, whether intentional or not, didn't go so well. He should support REAL conservatives who put their nation first like so many other Americans have. China has admitted to taking advantage of the U.S while Bush was in the M.E, it was a boon to their efforts to be the worlds greatest Super Power.

What a back to back America had with GBW and Obama. Power before country. Your border wasn't secured, no peace deals in the M.E, and, your industries, jobs, technology and wealth was shipped to China.

Iran 'dangerous' for world peace by targeting Israel, Bush says, warning 2-state solution 'very difficult’

EXCLUSIVE: Former President George W. Bush told Fox News on Wednesday that Iran is "dangerous" for stability in the Middle East and the world, while warning that a two-state solution amid the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be "very difficult at this stage."

www.foxnews.com

EXCLUSIVE: Former President George W. Bush told Fox News on Wednesday that Iran is "dangerous" for stability in the Middle East and the world, while warning that a two-state solution amid the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be "very difficult at this stage."

In an exclusive interview with Fox News about his new book, "Out of Many, One: Portraits of America’s Immigrants," Bush highlighted the story of Mariam Memarsadeghi — an Iranian immigrant who, during the Iranian Revolution of 1979, came to the United States and has dedicated her career to the pursuit of democracy in Iran.



When asked about the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian violence, Bush told Fox News that what "you're seeing playing out is Iranian influence targeted toward Israel."

"I think the best approach with regard to Iran is to understand that their influence is dangerous for world peace, that they are very much involved with extremist movements in Lebanon and Syria and Yemen, and they are aiming to spread their influence," Bush told Fox News, when asked about how the U.S. should engage with Tehran.

"Any deal that is done has got to not only focus on its nuclear capabilities, but also its influence in the Middle East," Bush continued. "And you know, any deal, you’ve got to keep in mind the dangers of an aggressive Iran to our allies, and to stability, so it has to be a comprehensive look."

Bush’s comments come as Israeli-Palestinian violence continues – the worst violence since 2014.

The entire Bush Family is in league with the Forces of Evil

 

[shockedcanadian]

The entire Bush Family is in league with the Forces of Evil

I respected George Bush Sr as president. His son was far too short sighted and preoccupied with old approaches to the world to be a great help to America long-term.

GWB had a centralized Big Government approach was the antithesis to Reagans conservatism, push for freedom and individual liberty all over the world while standing up to Communism.

 

[surada]

Your source and YOU are both wrong---ALAWITE IS A SECT does not mean that it is a "tribe". It is break off RELIGIOUS SECT---and it does have some shiite
elements BUT its origin is sunni. As to "SYRIA was
inspected"------you are delerious

The Minor Sect Ruling Syria: Who ... - International Review

The Minor Sect Ruling Syria: Who are the Alawites? | International Review

How did a minor and historically secretive sect of Islam, the Alawites, come to rule Syria, and what do they believe? International Review contributor Chris Gentry explores the religious and historical background of Syria's ruling class.

international-review.org

Dec 29, 2017 · The Alawis were — and remain — established as a confederation of four primary tribes: the Kalbiyya, Haddadin, Khayyatin, and Matawira. This tribal configuration, while providing some umbrella sense of unity, is weak and unstable at best, with many of the Alawites along the coastal region following no tribal framework.