What item on that chart doesn't exist on Earth, dumbass? The items have been known to exist for over a hundred years.
Which item doesn't exist? Backradiation doesn't exist. It is a complete fabrication and has never been measured except by cooling the instrument to a temperature far below the ambient temperature. You can not heat a warm object (surface of the earth) with a cool object (atmosphere)
It is hard to notice that it is you who remains unable to discuss the topic. You cut and paste your cartoon as if it were from a holy book and don't seem to be able to actually discuss any of what it claims to represent. It would appear that it is you who lacks a thinking brain.
I don't believe I have ever spoken to the fossil fuel industry. In case you haven't noticed, the fossil fuel industry is on the AGW bandwagon because there is a ton of money to be made because of all the subsidies, grants, and tax incentives available to those on the wagon.
And "considered" is an important word there as the mechanisms that climate science claim to be the drivers for AGW are only considered to be fact by some and only considered to be fact by them as they have never been proven. The greenhouse effect has never been measured, nor has it ever been mathematically modeled. It is a fantasy.
That 324 watts per square meter of backradiation is the basis for AGW. Without it, there is no AGW. Again, it is you who seems to be lacking in the brains department. You have obviously posted a cartoon that you don't even begin to understand.
You are either a bald faced liar when you claim to have a background in chemistry, or are the stupidist scientist who ever lived. That the earth has an energy cycle is fact. To claim that we have a handle on it and understand the movement of energy through that cycle is pure fiction. That cartoon doesn't represent the actual energy cycle of the earth any more than the Blondie cartoon in the Sunday comics.
Here is some established science for you. You can not further warm a warm object with a cool object. See the second law of thermodynamics if you can manage to look it up and read all of the words.
Primarily by the release of stored heat in the ground and oceans. Water vapor does its part as well, but not by backradiation. Look at a coastal region vs a desert. Both have the same amount of CO2 in the atmosphere but the coastal region does not warm as much during the day as the desert, and the coastal region cools off much slower at night than the desert.
The energy leaving the atmosphere is radiation. The energy leaving the earth and travelling up through the greater part of the atmosphere is via conduction and convection. Radiation plays only a bit part in the movement of heat through the atmosphere until you reach very high altitude.
It is a model and backradiation has never been observed from a cool object (the atmosphere) to a warm object (the surface of the earth)
Perhaps since you were born. That cartoon was originally fabricated in 1981. The one you posted has since been updated in an attempt to get the temperatures it predicts to more closely resemble reality. The present version will soon need updating as well as reailty isn't cooperating with it any more than it did with the first version.
I am afraid that it is obvious that you have never been to college, for any science based studies anyway. It is clear because of all of the very basic mistakes you make and the fact that you are unable to actually discuss the topic in any sensible way. Look at the difference between your own conversation and someone like IanC or flacalten. They are obviously educated because they aren't restricted to cutting and pasting material and then simply stating that it must be true. They can discuss the material they post in their own words while people like you, and rocks, and rolling thunder never actually discuss the topic because you lack the education required to do so.
If you believe backraditation exists, show me the proof that it has been measured by an instrument that has not been cooled down to a temperature far below the ambient temperature of the air and tell me which law of physics tells you that a cool object can further warm a warmer object.
What item on that chart doesn't exist on Earth, dumbass? The items have been known to exist for over a hundred years.
Which item doesn't exist? Backradiation doesn't exist. It is a complete fabrication and has never been measured except by cooling the instrument to a temperature far below the ambient temperature. You can not heat a warm object (surface of the earth) with a cool object (atmosphere)
It is hard to notice that it is you who remains unable to discuss the topic. You cut and paste your cartoon as if it were from a holy book and don't seem to be able to actually discuss any of what it claims to represent. It would appear that it is you who lacks a thinking brain.
I don't believe I have ever spoken to the fossil fuel industry. In case you haven't noticed, the fossil fuel industry is on the AGW bandwagon because there is a ton of money to be made because of all the subsidies, grants, and tax incentives available to those on the wagon.
And "considered" is an important word there as the mechanisms that climate science claim to be the drivers for AGW are only considered to be fact by some and only considered to be fact by them as they have never been proven. The greenhouse effect has never been measured, nor has it ever been mathematically modeled. It is a fantasy.
That 324 watts per square meter of backradiation is the basis for AGW. Without it, there is no AGW. Again, it is you who seems to be lacking in the brains department. You have obviously posted a cartoon that you don't even begin to understand.
You are either a bald faced liar when you claim to have a background in chemistry, or are the stupidist scientist who ever lived. That the earth has an energy cycle is fact. To claim that we have a handle on it and understand the movement of energy through that cycle is pure fiction. That cartoon doesn't represent the actual energy cycle of the earth any more than the Blondie cartoon in the Sunday comics.
Here is some established science for you. You can not further warm a warm object with a cool object. See the second law of thermodynamics if you can manage to look it up and read all of the words.
Primarily by the release of stored heat in the ground and oceans. Water vapor does its part as well, but not by backradiation. Look at a coastal region vs a desert. Both have the same amount of CO2 in the atmosphere but the coastal region does not warm as much during the day as the desert, and the coastal region cools off much slower at night than the desert.
The energy leaving the atmosphere is radiation. The energy leaving the earth and travelling up through the greater part of the atmosphere is via conduction and convection. Radiation plays only a bit part in the movement of heat through the atmosphere until you reach very high altitude.
It is a model and backradiation has never been observed from a cool object (the atmosphere) to a warm object (the surface of the earth)
Perhaps since you were born. That cartoon was originally fabricated in 1981. The one you posted has since been updated in an attempt to get the temperatures it predicts to more closely resemble reality. The present version will soon need updating as well as reailty isn't cooperating with it any more than it did with the first version.
I am afraid that it is obvious that you have never been to college, for any science based studies anyway. It is clear because of all of the very basic mistakes you make and the fact that you are unable to actually discuss the topic in any sensible way. Look at the difference between your own conversation and someone like IanC or flacalten. They are obviously educated because they aren't restricted to cutting and pasting material and then simply stating that it must be true. They can discuss the material they post in their own words while people like you, and rocks, and rolling thunder never actually discuss the topic because you lack the education required to do so.
If you believe backraditation exists, show me the proof that it has been measured by an instrument that has not been cooled down to a temperature far below the ambient temperature of the air and tell me which law of physics tells you that a cool object can further warm a warmer object.
Every state has a university and I know when classes start student sell off their old textbooks. You can find a textbook for Physical Geography. Every state has a library too and most libraries have examples of textbooks.
My story is I graduated high school in '70 and I was one of those students who loved all subjects. The Biology class we took in 10th grade was heavy of taxonomy with old textbooks, so I talked the teacher into allowing us to study advanced Biology, when I discovered they bought new textbooks. Only three boys and three girls signed up for the course. Our classroom was the storage area of the Biology classroom, which was filled with buckets of specimens to be dissected. It was an effort just to survive in that formaldehyde environment. The two guys who took the course with me were my fishing buddies, one stuck with Biology and became an Ichthyologist, while the other influenced by the computer programming course we took during our senior year went that way. I went Chemistry, because I lived in Delaware and wanted the money. We were Sputnik kids, where the federal government wanted to produce scientists, so we were lucky to an extent.
I worked my ass off in a corn cannery to get to college, but I have a problem. My oldest brother joined the Navy and is in Vietnam. I don't believe in student deferments, where the rich or the elite can avoid service when others have to serve. That's just not fair, so I take my chances without a student deferment on the draft lottery. My number comes up 13 and my ass is gone, so I joined the Marine Corps for 2 years. The logic was simple, I always loved the Marine Corps, because they will fight.
After my dad died many years later, we looked into his past. There was the obvious sign he changed his birth certificate to join the Navy and it was typed over, when he was really too young to be there. The only thing I recall my mother saying about his service was there were bodies everywhere. My dad didn't talk about his experiences. It turns out my dad was involved in the battle of Okinawa. He never said a word and I don't it ashamed him when I joined the Marine Corps. Let me tell you something there is a difference about killing your enemy from a distance and meeting them face to face.
Now my dad had done his service, too young to be on a landing craft sending Marines to die. When I entered the Marine Corps, they wanted to send me to the Naval Academy, but I said no. I was engaged to a girl that we eventually had six kids with. I call her a girl, because she was about 4 years younger than I was and she already had my half caret ring and we were engaged. So **** my opportunity of getting free college, thought the idea of giving the government 9 years instead of 2 years of my life was a factor. When I left the Marine Corps, there was a recession and I had a wife and child to support.
A week later, I had a job at a research center. It only paid you once a month, but I only took the 10 days mandatory leave and 4 days to get married. I left the Marine Corps after 2 years with 46 days pay. They offered this lean, mean fighting machine a meritorious promotion to Sargeant, if I extended for 3 months. My brother was already back from Vietnam and I told them I'm not going to give you 3 seconds. I already had meritorious Corporal and was the Administrative Chief of Motor Transport Maintenance Company in Camp Lejeune. It was my job to run that company, so I trained the people to replace me. I didn't need to be there, didn't want to be there and took my chances with a bad economy, even though I had responsibilities.
The research center would actually pay you to take a college course, but I had the GI bill and didn't take their money. The control lab where I worked required 24/7 coverage, so I switched to a constant night shift and tried to schedule my weekend work on Saturdays and Sundays to be continuous. When you are only paid once a month, working overtime, going to college and sleeping 4 hours a day, you make more money than you spend. Our first home was a trailer I paid cash for and sold it for the same price.
Well, enough I have things to do than to talk to fools.
Sure you do buddy boy, sure you do. Did your mommy tell you that? Here's a hint buckwheat, real geniuses (and I've known quite a few) never talk about their IQ, that is for the twerps in Mensa (and yes, I refused to join their august ranks...) real geniuses let their work speak for them.
