Interesting take on Zionism and antisemitism

[Dogmaphobe]

Most of them are elderly and suffering from age-related cognitive issues.

I am 71.

I have the benefit of having lived at a time before the invention of a "Palestinian" people.

 

[Lisa558]

Most of them are elderly and suffering from age-related cognitive issues.

Not sure about that. I’ve had more than one condescendingly call me “boomer.”

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Not sure about that. I’ve had more than one condescendingly call me “boomer.”

Harley does that a lot.

After all - he:s just a whippersnapper, himself.

 

[gipper]

and since you have no actual knowledge of the Israeli army, your claims are meaningless. Unless you enjoy lying and stirring the pot.

I bet you still believe the IOF is the most moral army in the world. You likely also believe it only acts defensively.

Am I right?

 

[Lisa558]

Harley does that a lot.

After all - he:s just a whippersnapper, himself.

Yup. These young’uns get on my nerves. Kids have no respect these days.

Zinc is another one.

 

[rosends]

I bet you still believe the IOF is the most moral army in the world. You likely also believe it only acts defensively.

I don't have an opinion of world-wide morals as I haven't studied the behavior of other armies. I do know what training and instruction IDF people get and the code of behavior they operate under. Have you studied any of this first hand or are you letting others do your thinking for you?

 

[Bad Bob]

I am 71.

I have the benefit of having lived at a time before the invention of a "Palestinian" people.

I'm 70 this year....and, yes, I've taken the MoCa twice.
Once after my dad died of Alzheimer's as a baseline test and the second last year after having my head repeatedly irradiated to cure cancer.

As a member of a career military family, I, too, have watched all the events in the ME over the decades. In 1989-90 I began working on a Masters in International Relations while in the service. Most of the classes were on the Soviet Union but the USSR was clearly dying at the time. In order to break out of the pack, I chose to focus on the two most likely areas the US would become militarily involved for the remainder of the century; South/Central America and the ME. Fortunately, wars in the Americas settled down, but clearly the ME remains a big problem. Notably due to Iran and their funding of asymmetrical warfare using terrorism and proxies like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis.

I'm confident the ME problems will be resolved within a decade or so. The next wars will be areas of Africa which, as illustrated below, is huuuuge!

 

[gipper]

I don't have an opinion of world-wide morals as I haven't studied the behavior of other armies. I do know what training and instruction IDF people get and the code of behavior they operate under. Have you studied any of this first hand or are you letting others do your thinking for you?

Do you too consider blacks your slaves?

 

[rosends]

Do you too consider blacks your slaves?

no. Why do you ask?

 

[Bad Bob]

Not sure about that. I’ve had more than one condescendingly call me “boomer.”

LOL Me too. Sometimes I wonder if they are as young as they claim, but I agree that there are more young people on USMB than on my last forum.

Usually they can be identified as being "pro-Palestine/anti-Israel". As for sexual fetishes of "boomers" regarding gays, trans, etc, which are also defended by the younger generations, IDGAF. I have no interest in peering into someone else's pants nor whom they choose to swap fluids with.

Political extremists take a very big interest in dictating to others on how to live, what to do and what to believe. I do not. I think our nation would be better off with more tolerance and more people minding their own business.

 

[Lisa558]

LOL Me too. Sometimes I wonder if they are as young as they claim, but I agree that there are more young people on USMB than on my last forum.

Usually they can be identified as being "pro-Palestine/anti-Israel". As for sexual fetishes of "boomers" regarding gays, trans, etc, which are also defended by the younger generations, IDGAF. I have no interest in peering into someone else's pants nor whom they choose to swap fluids with.

Political extremists take a very big interest in dictating to others on how to live, what to do and what to believe. I do not. I think our nation would be better off with more tolerance and more people minding their own business.

Yep. The people falling prey to all the anti-Israel propaganda are either 1) still relatively young and gullible, or 2) antisemites going way back who are revealing confirmation bias.

 

[Bad Bob]

Yep. The people falling prey to all the anti-Israel propaganda are either 1) still relatively young and gullible, or 2) antisemites going way back who are revealing confirmation bias.

Agreed and believe it's mostly the former. The antisemitism is, indeed, confirmation bias, however for the young, it's a newly learned thing. Probably due to Iranian cyberwarfare.

Remember when Hillary complained about Russia influencing the election, mainly on Facebook. She was correct about that but wrong that it was the sole cause of her loss. For the rest of the answer, she'd have to go look in a mirror. Both Iran and North Korea are major proponents of cyberwarfare and troll farms.

Both the weakness and the strengths of an open society like the West has been well known for most of the Cold War. Consider the Space Race where American rockets blowing up on the launch pad were seen all around the world on television whereas the Soviets only showed their successes. Now such problems still exist but on the Internet.

Troll farms posting misinformation on Twitter, TikTok and other social media often specifically targeting the young or the old. Both groups spend a lot of time online whereas those in the middle are too busy working and paying their bills.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

oh wow...you are relying on them for information about Judaism? That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.

Once you’re past the age of 13 you should realize that either the Bible stories (Torah and New Testament) don’t make much sense— or there’s a coded, deeper meaning that was transmitted through other means.

Zohar, Kabbalah, for example Michael Bergs “Secrets of the Bible” explains much of the Torah in a way that makes sense.

Same way the Gnostic Gospels clear up much of the misunderstanding and misinformation regarding Yeshua.

 

[Lisa558]

Agreed and believe it's mostly the former. The antisemitism is, indeed, confirmation bias, however for the young, it's a newly learned thing. Probably due to Iranian cyberwarfare.

Remember when Hillary complained about Russia influencing the election, mainly on Facebook. She was correct about that but wrong that it was the sole cause of her loss. For the rest of the answer, she'd have to go look in a mirror. Both Iran and North Korea are major proponents of cyberwarfare and troll farms.

Both the weakness and the strengths of an open society like the West has been well known for most of the Cold War. Consider the Space Race where American rockets blowing up on the launch pad were seen all around the world on television whereas the Soviets only showed their successes. Now such problems still exist but on the Internet.

Troll farms posting misinformation on Twitter, TikTok and other social media often specifically targeting the young or the old. Both groups spend a lot of time online whereas those in the middle are too busy working and paying their bills.

When I see how virulent the antisemitic propaganda on social media is (guised as “I’m not against Jews, just Israel” while they march around chanting Death to Jews and set up No Jew Zones on campus), I’m thankful that Hitler and his army didn’t have the Internet. I may likely never have been born.

I do blame a lot on the liberal educational system, which is indoctrinating our youth to think Israel/Jews are “oppressors” and the so-called Palestinians the helpless victims.

 

[Shusha]

Is it possible that folks who oppose Zionism are just regular folks who oppose genocide and endless wars?

No. You can oppose terrible things without simultaneously demanding the destruction of a State and the extermination of a national identity. The very fact that there exists a word for singling out the Jewish State for destruction is a problem.

 

[Bad Bob]

When I see how virulent the antisemitic propaganda on social media is (guised as “I’m not against Jews, just Israel” while they march around chanting Death to Jews and set up No Jew Zones on campus), I’m thankful that Hitler and his army didn’t have the Internet. I may likely never have been born.

I do blame a lot on the liberal educational system, which is indoctrinating our youth to think Israel/Jews are “oppressors” and the so-called Palestinians the helpless victims.

It's disturbing to see how Left and Right have flip-flopped on bigotry, especially antisemitism.
FWIW, I think the right, especially the Evangelicals, see supporting Israel as a means to an end; first they get rid of the Muslims to rebuild the Temple, then they'll go after the Jews again.

I'm not blaming education. If anything, we need more education, especially Critical Thinking. Politicizing education is detrimental to the best interests of the United States. That said, you and I both know that younger generations tend to be more liberal and older generations more conservative. That's been known for a very, very long time. Even Benjamin Franklin threw shade on the younger generation:

https://www.dailyrecord.com/story/opinion/2017/04/23/millennials-gen-younger-generation/100748596/

In 1749, a cantankerous Benjamin Franklin engaged in a tradition older than America itself: Throwing shade at a younger generation. Franklin, referring to the common complaint that the youth of America were not of “equal ability“ to their predecessors, said that, “The best capacities require cultivation, it being truly with them, as with the best ground, which unless well tilled and sowed with profitable seed, produces only ranker weeds.”

Imagine what Franklin would have had to say about Millennials.

One does not have to scan the news too vigorously to find endless condemnations of the latest crop of American youth. Children born from the mid-1980s to the early 2000s are now routinely derided as “snowflakes,” as if each thinks he or she is a unique gift to the world. Raised in a culture of “trigger warnings” and “microaggressions,” Millennials have been accused of fostering a culture of hypersensitivity, unable to connect with the naked realities of the real world.

 

[gipper]

no. Why do you ask?

How can you support this?

 

[SaxonJackson]

No. You can oppose terrible things without simultaneously demanding the destruction of a State and the extermination of a national identity. The very fact that there exists a word for singling out the Jewish State for destruction is a problem.

Sorta like singling out the destruction of the displaced Palestinians? Is there a word for that?

 

[rosends]

Once you’re past the age of 13 you should realize that either the Bible stories (Torah and New Testament) don’t make much sense— or there’s a coded, deeper meaning that was transmitted through other means.

Well, I ignore the gospels, but I'm well aware of the deeper levels of meaning of the Torah text. That's a standard understanding in Judaism.

Zohar, Kabbalah, for example Michael Bergs “Secrets of the Bible” explains much of the Torah in a way that makes sense.

except that it isn't actually connected to Kabbalah. That you think it is just means you don't know anything about what Kabbalah is.

More giggles from me on this.

 

[Lisa558]

It's disturbing to see how Left and Right have flip-flopped on bigotry, especially antisemitism.

Yes, I am disturbed by not just this, but that those on the Left keep insisting the antisemitism is on the right. They say that even though they are about to elect a Nazi to the Senate, and top officials are afraid to condemn the calls to genocide the Jews.

FWIW, I think the right, especially the Evangelicals, see supporting Israel as a means to an end; first they get rid of the Muslims to rebuild the Temple, then they'll go after the Jews again.

Well, I agree that the Evangelicals support Israel for the wrong reasons, but that’s better than the radical Left that is opposed to Israel for the wrong reasons.

I'm not blaming education. If anything, we need more education, especially Critical Thinking.

Yes, I should have said “blaming partisan leftist education.”

Politicizing education is detrimental to the best interests of the United States. That said, you and I both know that younger generations tend to be more liberal and older generations more conservative. That's been known for a very, very long time. Even Benjamin Franklin threw shade on the younger generation:

Reminds me of an old joke: If you’re under 30 and are not a liberal, you have no heart; if you are over 30 and still a liberal, you have no brains.

https://www.dailyrecord.com/story/opinion/2017/04/23/millennials-gen-younger-generation/100748596/

In 1749, a cantankerous Benjamin Franklin engaged in a tradition older than America itself: Throwing shade at a younger generation. Franklin, referring to the common complaint that the youth of America were not of “equal ability“ to their predecessors, said that, “The best capacities require cultivation, it being truly with them, as with the best ground, which unless well tilled and sowed with profitable seed, produces only ranker weeds.”

Imagine what Franklin would have had to say about Millennials.

One does not have to scan the news too vigorously to find endless condemnations of the latest crop of American youth. Children born from the mid-1980s to the early 2000s are now routinely derided as “snowflakes,” as if each thinks he or she is a unique gift to the world. Raised in a culture of “trigger warnings” and “microaggressions,” Millennials have been accused of fostering a culture of hypersensitivity, unable to connect with the naked realities of the real world.