Insidious Reedy Creek

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I don't take a political position on the dissolution of Reedy Creek concessions in the current climate. It would be impossible to take any kind of morally objective position on any politics these days. It's kind of like arguing about which whore is the most chaste.

As for the legality of a corporation entering into an agreement with government to sell government-backed bonds, I refer you to the Union Pacific and Central Pacific charters of 1886. That sort of arrangement was directly responsible for creating our nations system of railroads.

It is also, however, responsible for one of America's greatest corruptions scandals, Credit Mobilier.

I merely point out that the reasons behind their creation was part of a broader program by Disney to put his political beliefs and personal ideals into power.

I have no doubt, even if Disney had lived, that EPCOT would have survived. The idea of a corporate state not beholding to the government of the state is so anti-American that I don't believe public opinion would have ever supported it, no matter how many mice came out in favor of it. Additionally, I don't think they could have convinced many people to live in such a draconian state when other, more free, alternatives existed only a few miles away,

Summary:

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[fncceo]

Is there any actual evidence to support these claims or is it just more conspiracy website nonsense?

"EPCOT was to be a utopian autocratic company town completely controlled by Walt Disney himself[3] and featuring commercial, residential, industrial and recreational centers, connected by a mass multimodal transportation system.[4] Based on ideas stemming from modernism and futurism, it was designed to replace the inefficient infrastructure created by urban sprawl that was growing in the United States in the 1960s. Needing the flexibility and independence to establish and maintain his own specialized, personalized government, Walt lobbied the Florida Government to create what became the Reedy Creek Improvement District."

EPCOT (concept) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[g5000]

Oh, I forgot to mention Trump started a protectionist anti-free trade war, too. Once again proving he's the biggest RINO in the land.

 

[eagle1462010]

"EPCOT was to be a utopian autocratic company town completely controlled by Walt Disney himself[3] and featuring commercial, residential, industrial and recreational centers, connected by a mass multimodal transportation system.[4] Based on ideas stemming from modernism and futurism, it was designed to replace the inefficient infrastructure created by urban sprawl that was growing in the United States in the 1960s. Needing the flexibility and independence to establish and maintain his own specialized, personalized government, Walt lobbied the Florida Government to create what became the Reedy Creek Improvement District."

EPCOT (concept) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Alabama refused Disney this special status.........So Alabama lost Disney.....

 

[Big Bend Texas]

"EPCOT was to be a utopian autocratic company town completely controlled by Walt Disney himself[3] and featuring commercial, residential, industrial and recreational centers, connected by a mass multimodal transportation system.[4] Based on ideas stemming from modernism and futurism, it was designed to replace the inefficient infrastructure created by urban sprawl that was growing in the United States in the 1960s. Needing the flexibility and independence to establish and maintain his own specialized, personalized government, Walt lobbied the Florida Government to create what became the Reedy Creek Improvement District."

EPCOT (concept) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You do realize don't you that Wiki itself is not considered to be an actual source., They don't vet articles for accuracy.,

Even with that being the case they flag this article.

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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

"EPCOT was to be a utopian autocratic company town completely controlled by Walt Disney himself[3] and featuring commercial, residential, industrial and recreational centers, connected by a mass multimodal transportation system.[4] Based on ideas stemming from modernism and futurism, it was designed to replace the inefficient infrastructure created by urban sprawl that was growing in the United States in the 1960s. Needing the flexibility and independence to establish and maintain his own specialized, personalized government, Walt lobbied the Florida Government to create what became the Reedy Creek Improvement District."

EPCOT (concept) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Walt wanted his employee/slaves to owe their souls to the company store.

 

[g5000]

I have no problem with a flat tas...............agree with it........I don't think we should give out any subsidies at all.........gov't shouldn't pick and choose the winners. We should not give money to other nations when we have to borrow it. Tax Credits that give back more than paid into the system should also be gone........That is Welfare....

All of that would have to end.......but Mandatory expenditures would still over burden the system........Medicare and Social Securty are about out of using the old IOUS.........

There is no reversing course..........and no parachute.

I have argued for years that we need to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility age to 70, and index it to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Both programs would be sustainable just with that simple change.

We are living longer, we should be working longer. Just plain common sense.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Oh, I forgot to mention Trump started a protectionist anti-free trade war, too. Once again proving he's the biggest RINO in the land.

Which was in response to the rest of the world FUCKING US UP THE ASS with protectionism. So, yeah.

 

[eagle1462010]

Oh, I forgot to mention Trump started a protectionist anti-free trade war, too. Once again proving he's the biggest RINO in the land.

LOL

Being dependent on other nations for all our goods and products is INSANITY..........When it hits the fan you have lost your production capabilities..........We can produce anything we want here..........but the inflation and devaluation of the dollar makes it cost too much..........Also we will not work for a bowl of rice for payment.........Covid proved this...........as we found that the majority of our drugs come from Chna...........Now in the War with Ukraine..........Phosphorous and Fertilizer are a major problem.........Farmers are paying way over normal to get it now.............we shut our factories down...........some are super fund clean up sites too...........One is down near where I work.

Perfect storm ..........on purpose.......leading to the GREAT RESET...........WEF.

 

[eagle1462010]

Which was in response to the rest of the world FUCKING US UP THE ASS with protectionism. So, yeah.

Free for them as we got fucked...........YEP.

Now we are down over 5 million barrels of oil a day in oil production.......As the small companies were destroyed by negative oil...........Now the big dogs are the only ones left again to manipulate the rigged system............Imagine that.

 

[eagle1462010]

I have argued for years that we need to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility age to 70, and index it to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Both programs would be sustainable just with that simple change.

We are living longer, we should be working longer. Just plain common sense.

They raided the trust fund a long time ago.........stack of IOUs........that stack is almost gone............it has to have cuts to stay alive......if possible.........

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Summary:

To government--the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.

seein an awful lot of that lately ...uh boy

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I have argued for years that we need to raise the Social Security and Medicare eligibility age to 70, and index it to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Both programs would be sustainable just with that simple change.

We are living longer, we should be working longer. Just plain common sense.

You'll have to allow those too far along to go ahead and retire in their sixties but you can give a five year grace period and then raise the eligibility age by one year every four or five years up to age 70-72 and extend the viability of both for decades.

There should also be an opt out provision that would pay you 30-50% of your expected pay out if you prefer to put it into a private retirement account.

I'm also a fan of means testing whereby anyone over a certain level of of assets is excluded from participation.

Both were supposed to be about keeping retirees from eating dog food and having to be dumpster divers, not to make them wealthier in retirement than they were during their working years.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

They raided the trust fund a long time ago.........stack of IOUs........that stack is almost gone............it has to have cuts to stay alive......if possible.........

The "Trust Funds" never actually existed.

 

[eagle1462010]

The "Trust Funds" never actually existed.

They spent all coming into the system.........taxes........and early in more people were paying in than receiving.........

Who Owns the US National Debt?

The majority of the U.S. national debt is owned by Social Security, the Federal Reserve, and foreign investors. Learn how that impacts the economy and you.

www.thebalance.com

6 Trillion internal debt........IOUs to the trust still there..........Going fast.........but spent a long time ago........debt owed to ourselves for stealing the Social Security and Medicare money back when more came in than out.

 

[fncceo]

You do realize don't you that Wiki itself is not considered to be an actual source.

There are 25 references to that article alone which I invite you to peruse. There are several other independent article available detailing Disney's support for fascist ideology. The man's history speaks for itself.

 

[ArrojaLaBomba]

Although much in the news now, this little remembered Disney enclave in Florida had its inception in an insidious plan by Walt Disney to create his ideal of a corporate state AKA "company town".

Reedy Creek Improvement District was created in 1967 as part of Walt Disney's "Florida Project".

Although Disney died a few months before it's creation. Disney had personally lobbied the Florida legislature to create Reedy Creek as part of his vision to create The "Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow" (EPCOT).

Disney had planned for EPCOT to be a county government unto itself, where he could establish Disney as the government and law unto itself.

The Reedy Creek covenants allowed Disney to establish it's own zoning and it's own independent police force to enforce it. All public services would derive from Disney and access to them would be controlled by Disney.

In Reedy Creek, Disney planned to outlaw labor unions. Individual ownership of property would be forbidden, all property would be rented from Disney.

No one would be allowed to live there without being a Disney employee and retirees would not be allowed to move into the community.

The employees live there, are un-unionized, face strict standards and requirements, are paid low wages, and face eviction if they were to leave their job.

Disney was planning to create his vision of a merger of corporation and state without democracy or due process.

The plan eventually died without Walt's direct involvement but many of the Reedy Creek covenants still exist.

Oh yes company towns, what a novel idea. Definitely something that had not been done previously. Plus I thought you guys hated worker's rights.

 

[eagle1462010]

Abuse of the Social Security Trust Fund Began in the 1980s | Dissident Voice

The mishandling of Social Security funds has been going on since the mid-1980s. As soon as the surpluses, resulting from the 1983 payroll tax hike, first began to flow into the Treasury, politicians from both political parties began using the money like a giant slush fund. At that time, it would...

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Abuse of the Social Security Trust Fund Began in the 1980s​

by Allen W. Smith / November 28th, 2009

The mishandling of Social Security funds has been going on since the mid-1980s. As soon as the surpluses, resulting from the 1983 payroll tax hike, first began to flow into the Treasury, politicians from both political parties began using the money like a giant slush fund. At that time, it would be at least 30 years before the funds would actually be needed for Social Security, so politicians developed the bad habit of “temporarily borrowing” the money and using it for non-Social Security purposes. That bad habit never was broken, and every dollar of the $2.5 trillion in surplus Social Security revenue, generated by the tax hike, has been spent, leaving no real assets in the trust fund.

 

[BackAgain]

There are more than 1800 improvement districts in Florida.

The attack by DeSantis on Disney is a textbook bill of attainder in his mad attempt to suppress free speech.

Disney should take it to the Supreme Court. It's an easy win.

Your sauce is wicked weak. Corporate Disney is still free to speak its dishonesty. And, if the State of Florida can properly cover the debt, it is free to terminate any special favors previously granted to that company.

 

[DudleySmith]

Although much in the news now, this little remembered Disney enclave in Florida had its inception in an insidious plan by Walt Disney to create his ideal of a corporate state AKA "company town".

Reedy Creek Improvement District was created in 1967 as part of Walt Disney's "Florida Project".

Although Disney died a few months before it's creation. Disney had personally lobbied the Florida legislature to create Reedy Creek as part of his vision to create The "Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow" (EPCOT).

Disney had planned for EPCOT to be a county government unto itself, where he could establish Disney as the government and law unto itself.

The Reedy Creek covenants allowed Disney to establish it's own zoning and it's own independent police force to enforce it. All public services would derive from Disney and access to them would be controlled by Disney.

In Reedy Creek, Disney planned to outlaw labor unions. Individual ownership of property would be forbidden, all property would be rented from Disney.

No one would be allowed to live there without being a Disney employee and retirees would not be allowed to move into the community.

The employees live there, are un-unionized, face strict standards and requirements, are paid low wages, and face eviction if they were to leave their job.

Disney was planning to create his vision of a merger of corporation and state without democracy or due process.

The plan eventually died without Walt's direct involvement but many of the Reedy Creek covenants still exist.

This was pretty common stuff in the 19th Century with big factory owners; 'company towns' were very popular with capitalists and 'free marketers', and they still are today; just go visit the maquilas in Mexico, and Viet Nam, Red China, and Malaysia, and African mining towns. Wall Street loves company towns. They keep those uppity proles in line. Henry Ford had a 'Service Dept.' run by a gangster that would go around searching workers' homes to make sure they didn't have any 'suspicious literature' laying around they didn't like; if they found any they would fire the worker.

Anybody who believes private corporations are all about 'free markets' and 'freedom n stuff' is a certifiable idiot; they are no different than your average Soviet or Red Chinese Commissar.