Inside Gaza And Under Israeli Fire, A Family Tries To Stay Safe

[Phoenall]

Israel/Palestine: Unlawful Israeli Airstrikes Kill Civilians | Human Rights Watch

QUOTE=Lipush;9469084]There are also good people in Gaza, too bad Hamas holds its own civilians as hostages.

What is too bad is Israel deliberately killing civilians and children and maintaining Gaza as an open air concentration camp.[/QUOTE]




Well I suppose that Israel could remove the guidance systems from their rockets and see how the pro terrorists like having proportional return fire. Should make them soon wish for a return of accurate bombings instead of wanton slaughter

 

[Kondor3]

The uninhabited parts of gaza are safe so they could go there, but then that would leave the cowardly hamas terrorists unprotected and their homes in danger of being destroyed. Anyone that can use Google Earth can see for themselves that nearly half of gaza is open uninhabited land. So the civilians could move there while the fighting is going on to minimise civilian casualties.

Exactly so.

The vast majority of the civilian population could certainly sit-out the fighting in comparative safety, given how much open space there is, leaving behind only the truly immobile, and, of course, Hamas scum.

But Hamas bullies like their human shields, and will try to browbeat as many into staying as is possible.

Sooner or later, Gazans will grow weary of Hamas, and turn on them.

Hamas, pushing for women and children to remain in-place, in order to make an Israeli strike more costly in collateral casualties, may be the straw that broke the camel's back.

In any event, we may learn the answer to that question during the present mini-war.

 

[Phoenall]

It truly sucks for the Palestinians who want to make a better life for themselves and their children. When Hamas gets wind of them, they camp in their yard and launch missiles from there. Hamas needs to be destroyed, they don't give a rats pitootey about the Palestinians. Not one little bit.

Hamas are a bunch of bloody idiots, but that hardly excuses Israel's bastard IDF.

As usual you expect the Jews to become fawning dhimmi's because of your ISLAMONAZI IDEOLOGY. They have the legal and moral right to defend themselves from illegal and immoral ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST ATTACKS and you muslims need to get that into your thick skulls. It is up to hamas to ensure the safety of the civilian population in gaza and until they do then they will be seen as the mass murderers of the gazan civilians by everone but brain dead morons and NAZI JEW HATERS.

 

[Daniyel]

They can revolt against Hamas like most Arab States revolting against totalitarianism.

 

[Lipush]

There are good people in Israel, Israel locks them up.

Look at the demonstrations in Haifa yesterday.

There is a difference between a demonstration an cheotic violence.

 

[Daniyel]

There are good people in Israel, Israel locks them up.

Look at the demonstrations in Haifa yesterday.

There is a difference between a demonstration an cheotic violence.

Nah, usually there is in Syria and Russia and maybe Sudan, In Israel we are all violent.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

They can revolt against Hamas like most Arab States revolting against totalitarianism.

Do you know what happens to those in Gaza who speak out about Hamas?

 

[Kondor3]

They can revolt against Hamas like most Arab States revolting against totalitarianism.

Do you know what happens to those in Gaza who speak out about Hamas?

These are the wolves which the Gazans have foolishly and deliberately elevated to a lordship above themselves.

Gazans are now (once again) dealing with the very bad consequences arising from that very bad choice.

It is up to the Gazans to rid themselves of the wolves, when they've had enough.

 

[irosie91]

They can revolt against Hamas like most Arab States revolting against totalitarianism.

Do you know what happens to those in Gaza who speak out about Hamas?

These are the wolves which the Gazans have foolishly and deliberately elevated to a lordship above themselves.

Gazans are now (once again) dealing with the very bad consequences arising from that very bad choice.

It is up to the Gazans to rid themselves of the wolves, when they've had enough.

To understand why muslims tolerate so much totalitarianism----it is important to take
a look at Islamic history and ---its legal system. The "caliphate" system is about
as TOTALITARIAN as any system can be------the caliph is actually DEIFIED----in that he
is considered "the successor to muhummad "-----kinda like Allah's representative
on earth. In Islamic law-----criticism of the CALIPH is BLASPHEMY-----those big towers
were convenient plaeces from which to toss anybody who had something negative to say
about the CALIPH. Keep in mind----the CALIPHATE is Allah's ideal

 

[Indofred]

It truly sucks for the Palestinians who want to make a better life for themselves and their children. When Hamas gets wind of them, they camp in their yard and launch missiles from there. Hamas needs to be destroyed, they don't give a rats pitootey about the Palestinians. Not one little bit.

Hamas are a bunch of bloody idiots, but that hardly excuses Israel's bastard IDF.

How is the IDF a 'bastard'?

Other than being a genuine bastard to have to fight against.

Aren't they doing their job - going after the bad guys who are trying to hurt their people?

Isn't that what militaries do?

No.
A military attacks its enemy's forces, not civilians, hospitals and children playing on an open beach.
Regardless of your opinion as to who started the trouble, kids are NEVER a legitimate target of war.

 

[Indofred]

As usual you expect the Jews to become fawning dhimmi's because of your ISLAMONAZI IDEOLOGY. They have the legal and moral right to defend themselves from illegal and immoral ISLAMONAZI TERRORIST ATTACKS and you muslims need to get that into your thick skulls. It is up to hamas to ensure the safety of the civilian population in gaza and until they do then they will be seen as the mass murderers of the gazan civilians by everone but brain dead morons and NAZI JEW HATERS.

Do you realise, you're doing what you accuse Muslims of?
Your open hate makes you look really stupid when you complain about hate.

 

[Kondor3]

...A military attacks its enemy's forces, not civilians, hospitals and children playing on an open beach...

Tell that to Winston Churchill, macro-directing the RAF, or Franklin Delano Roosevelt or Harry Truman, macro-directing the USAAF, as they leveled Germany and Japan.

War assets, intentionally placed too close to civilian population centers, always have similar and unfortunate consequences for civilians, especially when enemy leadership attempts to force its citizens (men, women and children) to remain in-place and die to protect those assets.

...Regardless of your opinion as to who started the trouble, kids are NEVER a legitimate target of war.

We are in complete agreement.

Kids are, however, killed, when their leadership cynically places war-assets too close to where they live, and when those assets are attacked.

Kids are, however, killed when dealing with artillery fire, airstrikes, etc., in which Dumb Munitions (traditional stuff) are utilized and/or when fire-control or intelligence is faulty.

 

[flacaltenn]

I don't think there's anything much IN that border area - so what good would it be to send people there to sit out the hostilities?

There'd still be vehicles and such going back and forth - and you don't want to have potential hostiles where they can spot convoys or something.

I don't know about anyone else - but if I were a Gazan and I was sent to a camp on the border, I'd be using whatever I had to dig a tunnel just to get somewhere else.

Marg --- they don't have to BUILD the tunnels. The tunnels are already there. But the intent wasn't for "civilian defense".. Where do Israelis go when they get the 10 minute warning?

They can go to shelters that their govt has provided for them..

As far as the buffer zone, they would be subject to stray fire coming OUT of the Gaza or even Hamas missiles gone nuts. In fact, EVERYONE seems to be assuming that every "civilian" that gets bloody by an explosion or ordinance has been injured by the IDF.. NOBODY knows which side fired the rounds. Or even whether Israelis hit an munitions site that contributed to civilian deaths in the area.

But the buffer zone could be SECURED by Israel and aided by Israel/Intl relief and protected as well as possible as a neutral zone. Where is the UN in this? Why is there not an evac and relief from them? They can't send in staff because the Govt of Hamas can't assure their protection from attack or kidnapping..

Sucks to have Hamas as your government..

 

[irosie91]

I don't think there's anything much IN that border area - so what good would it be to send people there to sit out the hostilities?

There'd still be vehicles and such going back and forth - and you don't want to have potential hostiles where they can spot convoys or something.

I don't know about anyone else - but if I were a Gazan and I was sent to a camp on the border, I'd be using whatever I had to dig a tunnel just to get somewhere else.

Marg --- they don't have to BUILD the tunnels. The tunnels are already there. But the intent wasn't for "civilian defense".. Where do Israelis go when they get the 10 minute warning?

They can go to shelters that their govt has provided for them..


Actually as far as I saw most people in Israel go to "shelters" that the persons who owns
a house ----made----or fortified rooms each apartment dweller, himself has made----there are
people who do the shelters for a fee Some of the "shelters" are just cellar type things----the kind
any person who has a soup spoon can dig in a yard-----of they are under a little building. The people
do not need shelters against nuclear bombs-----just simple potato cellar type things
'

 

[flacaltenn]

They can revolt against Hamas like most Arab States revolting against totalitarianism.

Do you know what happens to those in Gaza who speak out about Hamas?

Elections supposedly coming there this year. Not to late for some of the USMB Hamas fans to
petition to get on the ballot. Run AGAINST Hamas. Put your name out there in public and see what happens..

 

[flacaltenn]

Hamas are a bunch of bloody idiots, but that hardly excuses Israel's bastard IDF.

How is the IDF a 'bastard'?

Other than being a genuine bastard to have to fight against.

Aren't they doing their job - going after the bad guys who are trying to hurt their people?

Isn't that what militaries do?

No.
A military attacks its enemy's forces, not civilians, hospitals and children playing on an open beach.
Regardless of your opinion as to who started the trouble, kids are NEVER a legitimate target of war.

In 2009, When israel went into Gaza -- they KNEW that Hamas military leadership were operating UNDER A HOSPITAL. Because ISRAEL built the secure bunker under that hospital and saw the antennas and military traffic going in and out. They CONFIRMED that suspicion when they inspected.. The facility was also connected to an elaborate tunnel network..

Naaaaawwww --- Hamas military wouldn't hide under a hospital..

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Hamas are a bunch of bloody idiots, but that hardly excuses Israel's bastard IDF.

How is the IDF a 'bastard'?

Other than being a genuine bastard to have to fight against.

Aren't they doing their job - going after the bad guys who are trying to hurt their people?

Isn't that what militaries do?

No.
A military attacks its enemy's forces, not civilians, hospitals and children playing on an open beach.
Regardless of your opinion as to who started the trouble, kids are NEVER a legitimate target of war.

Why would Israel attack civilians, hospitals and children? They are warned to vacate the areas well in advance. If civilians are spotted then attacks are aborted by the Israelis. Remember - HUMAN SHIELDS.

Civilians should (and have been) vacate areas where Hamas are.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

I don't think there's anything much IN that border area - so what good would it be to send people there to sit out the hostilities?

There'd still be vehicles and such going back and forth - and you don't want to have potential hostiles where they can spot convoys or something.

I don't know about anyone else - but if I were a Gazan and I was sent to a camp on the border, I'd be using whatever I had to dig a tunnel just to get somewhere else.

Marg --- they don't have to BUILD the tunnels. The tunnels are already there. But the intent wasn't for "civilian defense".. Where do Israelis go when they get the 10 minute warning?

They can go to shelters that their govt has provided for them..


Actually as far as I saw most people in Israel go to "shelters" that the persons who owns
a house ----made----or fortified rooms each apartment dweller, himself has made----there are
people who do the shelters for a fee Some of the "shelters" are just cellar type things----the kind
any person who has a soup spoon can dig in a yard-----of they are under a little building. The people
do not need shelters against nuclear bombs-----just simple potato cellar type things
'

10 minute warning? You mean 15 second warning for Israelis living in the areas closest to Gaza, to a maximum of 2 minute warning for central Israel.

Israelis have 'safe rooms' in their homes. In tall office buildings there is no time to evacuate so they shelter in the stairwells.

 

[Coyote]

So what can they do? Nothing. Nowhere is safe and they can't leave.

Sounds like they should have left the area and gotten far from the advancing Israelis, immediately after receiving the Israeli warnings, while they still had the chance.

They chose to stay, or were too slow in leaving. Now they're caught..

It's easy to tell people to leave...however

Where can 4 million people go?

And are they allowed to leave Gaza?

 

[aris2chat]

So what can they do? Nothing. Nowhere is safe and they can't leave.

Sounds like they should have left the area and gotten far from the advancing Israelis, immediately after receiving the Israeli warnings, while they still had the chance.

They chose to stay, or were too slow in leaving. Now they're caught..

It's easy to tell people to leave...however

Where can 4 million people go?

And are they allowed to leave Gaza?

Last week hamas closed the crossings from their side till the ceasefire. Till that time Israel has still been making delivery of truck loads of items to gaza.
Most that could, went to UN controlled buildings or to other areas in gaza to friends and family.

Hamas damaged the electric lines from Israel. The water was a matter of not paying the bills. Detroit citizens are having their water turned off for the same reason.