Ins refunds - thanks Mr President

[Oldstyle]

The "fact" is...RomneyCare was brought about because Mitt Romney signed a bill into law that was written largely by Democrats. Romney actually "got" the entire concept of compromise to get things done. He didn't use "Executive Orders" to do what he felt like while telling the Democratic members of the Massachusetts House to take a hike.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Look up the 80% mandate.

And, you can't "have ObamaCare".

ObamaCare is not a product you can buy and "have".

How many times does this have to be explained?

Of course it isn't, it is a product I was forced to buy even though I didn't want it.

Guess what? Guesswhatguesswhat???!! C'mon, guess!


The MANDATE part was the REPUBLICANS' idea!! Yup yup...

Why do people keep saying that? Is it because they are idiots?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No, it is not a "product".
"

Fact is, you didn't buy anything. If you had, you would know its not a product.

That was funny.

FYI, a product s anything that can be offered in a market. Obamacare is offered in multiple markets, so that makes it a product.

"Obamacare is offered in multiple markets"
Strictly speaking, that's incorrect.

You can buy insurance.

ObamaCare is not insurance.

ObamaCare is not a thing you can buy. It is a law.

That mandates what type of insurance is available, thus, Obamacare is a product.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

? Thanks To Obamacare, You Might Be Getting An Insurance Refund



As I've posted before, we got two refunds last year.

Its about frikken time the insurance consumer got what we pay for.

Thank you, Mr President.

The last time they did a refund, my check was like $1.42.

You probably made that up but if it were true, if you didn't spend it, you can't get it refunded. Count your blessings that you're so healthy.

You really have no idea how the refund works, do you?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Guess what? Guesswhatguesswhat???!! C'mon, guess!


The MANDATE part was the REPUBLICANS' idea!! Yup yup...

Obama opposed the mandates and the republicans didn't vote for the PPACA. Try harder

Obama flip-flops on requiring people to buy health care | PolitiFact

The republicans were a part of the committee that created the ACA. They insisted that the mandates were added in. Then the bill went to the floor and the numbnuts refused to approve it.

You trolls are getting desperate.

That was funny.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Pelosi didn't say that. That line was lifted out of context.

But, its true that congress does not write bills - lobbyists do. Our laws are written by the highest bidders.

Pelosi did in fact say that we had to pass the bill to know what was in it (one of the dumber statements made by a politician in recent memory)...lifted out of context? You folks continue to amuse!

The ACA was written behind locked doors by Democrats. Don't even TRY to blame what's in it on Republicans. They didn't want anything to do with the thing. The debacle that IS the ACA is Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama's "baby". They created it...AND THEY OWN IT!!!

The ACA was originally written by the rightwing Heritage Foundation and presented by Republicans as the alternative to "HilaryCare" back in the 1990's.

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

Original 1989 document where Heritage Foundation created Obamacare’s individual mandate

Republicans are on a renewed kick to try to repeal, or at least delay (in the hopes of killing), the “individual mandate” that’s included in the President’s health care reform law, aka the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare.

The irony, of course, is that it was Republicans, via their premiere think tank, the Heritage Foundation, who came up with the idea in the first place.

Damn, when did you join the lying brigade?

If you read the Heritage Foundation proposal you will see that they proposed a mandate for catastrophic care, not insurance. That is because, unlike all the idiots that lie about Obamacare, they understood the difference between health care and insurance.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The ACA was originally written by the rightwing Heritage Foundation and presented by Republicans as the alternative to "HilaryCare" back in the 1990's.

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

Interesting concept...the Heritage Foundation is now the Republicans? They are an independent think tank...they are not the Republican Party nor are they Republican politicians.

Once again...the ACA was written by progressive Democrats behind closed doors. Nancy, Harry and Barry OWN this piece of legislation...with all of it's warts and blemishes.

Republican Senator Jim De Mint is now the President of the Heritage Foundation.

The Heritage Foundation wrote the original ACA, the Republicans touted it as the alternative to HilaryCare and it was implemented as RomneyCare.

Those facts are indisputable and nothing can make them disappear.

And, the fact is, that the Heritage Foundation proposal looks nothing like RomneyCare or ObamaCare.

Next.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Interesting concept...the Heritage Foundation is now the Republicans? They are an independent think tank...they are not the Republican Party nor are they Republican politicians.

Once again...the ACA was written by progressive Democrats behind closed doors. Nancy, Harry and Barry OWN this piece of legislation...with all of it's warts and blemishes.

Republican Senator Jim De Mint is now the President of the Heritage Foundation.

The Heritage Foundation wrote the original ACA, the Republicans touted it as the alternative to HilaryCare and it was implemented as RomneyCare.

Those facts are indisputable and nothing can make them disappear.

Some Republicans touted it as the alternative to HillaryCare but it was never approved by the majority of Republicans. RomneyCare was written by the Democratically controlled State House in Massachusetts...Mitt Romney had some say in what it contained but to call it "HIS" is an amusingly inaccurate portrayal of the "facts".

Romney took credit for it!

In fact, however, as Newsweek writes, “During a speech in Baltimore on Feb. 2, 2007, Romney outlined his ambitions for the Massachusetts plan. ‘I’m proud of what we’ve done,’ he said. ‘If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation.’”

At the very least, Romney has clearly viewed his efforts as a model for other states across the nation. On April 11, 2006, the day before he signed his health care legislation into law, he wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed (called “Health Care for Everyone? We Found a Way”), “How much of our health-care plan applies to other states? A lot.”

In his book, No Apology, he wrote of Ted Kennedy (on page 174 in the hardback edition), “[T]o his credit he saw an opportunity to work in a bipartisan fashion to try an experiment that might become a model for other states.” Three pages later (on page 177), Romney wrote, “From now on, no one in Massachusetts has to worry about losing his or her health insurance if there is a job change or a loss in income; everyone is insured and pays only what he or she can afford….We can accomplish the same thing for everyone in the country….”

Mitt Romney: RomneyCare "Will be a Model for the Nation"; Updated: Romney "Happy to Take Credit" for ObamaCare - Conservatives4Palin

 

[Oldstyle]

And neither of those cited articles changes the "fact" that Mitt Romney wasn't the architect of RomneyCare...but simply the Republican Governor who signed a bill into law that was drafted by an overwhelmingly Democratic House.

 

[Derideo_Te]

And neither of those cited articles changes the "fact" that Mitt Romney wasn't the architect of RomneyCare...but simply the Republican Governor who signed a bill into law that was drafted by an overwhelmingly Democratic House.

Heritage Foundation was the architect for RomneyCare!

6 Years Ago: Heritage Foundation Praised Romneycare For Building 'Patient-Centered' Health Care Market | ThinkProgress

Heritage Foundation Praised Romneycare For Building ‘Patient-Centered’ Health Care Market


Six years ago today, Mitt Romney signed his health care reform bill into law, proclaiming during an elaborately staged signing ceremony at Boston’s Faneuil Hall, “Of course the bill isn’t 100 percent of what anyone in this room wanted.” “But the differences between us are relatively small.”

Romney thanked the Bush administration for approving federal authorizations to fund the law and praised the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) for his “essential” work in shaping and advancing the bill through the state legislature. “Special thanks as well to the Heritage Foundation,” Romney continued. “Two of its leading scholars are the ones who helped design and craft what we now call the Connector, which is the centerpiece of the insurance reform portion.” Once Heritage’s Dr. Robert Emmet Moffit took the stage, he praised the law for establishing a new “patient centered” and “consumer-based” market where everyone can find affordable coverage:

MOFFIT (HERITAGE FOUNDATION): We’ve been honored by your request…to participate in giving our best advise and our technical assistance in designing a new and different kind of health insurance market. A market that is patient-centered and consumer-based, which will ease access to affordable coverage for thousands of Bay State citizens. This is new. It’s a new market, where individuals and families will be able to own and control their health insurance and take it with them to from job to job… Nothing like it has ever been attempted anywhere else in the United States. So Massachusetts has raised the bar for every state in the union. And that’s the applause you’ve given to your public officials here today is going to echo far beyond the hallow halls of this historic place.

 

[Oldstyle]

Think Progress? Don't embarrass yourself...

 

[Derideo_Te]

Think Progress? Don't embarrass yourself...

Too bad the same article was carried by Slate, The New Yorker, TownHall and the American Spectator!

Obamacare vs. Romneycare -- A Crucial Difference | The American Spectator

Looks like your feeble attempt to slime the source has backfired on you!

And just to rub it in, even Ann Coulter quoted the Heritage Foundation's part in RomneyCare!

Ann Coulter - February 1, 2012 - THREE CHEERS FOR ROMNEYCARE!

In November 2004, for example, libertarian Ronald Bailey praised mandated private health insurance in Reason magazine, saying that it “could preserve and extend the advantages of a free market with a minimal amount of coercion.”

A leading conservative think tank, The Heritage Foundation, helped design RomneyCare and its health care analyst Bob Moffit flew to Boston for the bill signing.

RomneyCare was also supported by Regina Herzlinger, Harvard Business School professor and health policy analyst for the conservative Manhattan Institute. Herzlinger praised RomneyCare for making consumers, not business or government, the primary purchasers of healthcare.

The bill passed by 154-2 in the Massachusetts House and unanimously, 37-0, in the Massachusetts senate – including the vote of Sen. Scott Brown, who won Teddy Kennedy’s seat in the U.S. Senate in January 2010 by pledging to be the “41st vote against ObamaCare.”

 

[sameech]

The Heritage Foundation proposal more a "if we must do it, this is how it should be done" than it was an actual proposal embraced by the GOP, and was based on the work of economist Alain Enthoven. (http://www.channelingreality.com/Co...r/History_and_Principles_Enthoven_157_VC2.pdf) And has been mentioned before, it dealt with mostly just putting catastrophic coverage in place.


Most of Romneycare's newly insured were, by far, medicaid patients because the state did not have the employer mandate provisions that would have reached the working poor uninsured; and the financing was dependent on federal medicaid payments, not market subsidies on private policies.

In the end, there are some things being lost in this back and forth:

1)ending preexisting condition and lifetime aggregate limits were good things, particularly as healthcare treatments costs skyrocket.

2)trying to reach the working poor was a good thing in my opinion.

3)leaving a working poor family out of coverage when a family the same size making $70K a year gets a subsidy is absolutely shameless and unforgivable act on behalf of the democrats. There should never even had been the remote possibility that scenario could happen.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Republican Senator Jim De Mint is now the President of the Heritage Foundation.

The Heritage Foundation wrote the original ACA, the Republicans touted it as the alternative to HilaryCare and it was implemented as RomneyCare.

Those facts are indisputable and nothing can make them disappear.

Some Republicans touted it as the alternative to HillaryCare but it was never approved by the majority of Republicans. RomneyCare was written by the Democratically controlled State House in Massachusetts...Mitt Romney had some say in what it contained but to call it "HIS" is an amusingly inaccurate portrayal of the "facts".

Romney took credit for it!

In fact, however, as Newsweek writes, “During a speech in Baltimore on Feb. 2, 2007, Romney outlined his ambitions for the Massachusetts plan. ‘I’m proud of what we’ve done,’ he said. ‘If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation.’”

At the very least, Romney has clearly viewed his efforts as a model for other states across the nation. On April 11, 2006, the day before he signed his health care legislation into law, he wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed (called “Health Care for Everyone? We Found a Way&#8221, “How much of our health-care plan applies to other states? A lot.”

In his book, No Apology, he wrote of Ted Kennedy (on page 174 in the hardback edition), “[T]o his credit he saw an opportunity to work in a bipartisan fashion to try an experiment that might become a model for other states.” Three pages later (on page 177), Romney wrote, “From now on, no one in Massachusetts has to worry about losing his or her health insurance if there is a job change or a loss in income; everyone is insured and pays only what he or she can afford….We can accomplish the same thing for everyone in the country….”

Mitt Romney: RomneyCare "Will be a Model for the Nation"; Updated: Romney "Happy to Take Credit" for ObamaCare - Conservatives4Palin

And, now that its working, after they lose the next general election, the Rs will say they were in favor of it all along.

Worse, the RWs little bobble heads will just bob up and down.

 

[whitehall]

? Thanks To Obamacare, You Might Be Getting An Insurance Refund

In a story that’s bound to send Republicans straight into the spin cycle, it was announced on Thursday that insurance companies will be refunding Americans $332 million because they’ve been overcharging them for healthcare.

A generally ignored by Fox News part of the Affordable Care Act (aka, Obamacare) mandates that insurance companies spend at least $.80 of every dollar on *gulp* healthcare. The other $.20 can go toward administrative costs and all the other perks that CEOs of giant insurance companies enjoy. The law is even stricter when the policy is sold to a large employer, with a full 85 percent needing to go to healthcare. In other words, anti-Obamacare people, your insurance company is not charging you more because of Obamacare.

The refunds, which will be mailed to about 6.8 million customers, are set to go out by August 1st. Some will have the option of taking a credit toward future premiums instead.

As I've posted before, we got two refunds last year.

Its about frikken time the insurance consumer got what we pay for.

Thank you, Mr President.

Oh yeah, which way would you rather have it, the option that you "might" be one of 6.5 million to get a check that might buy a tank of gas or the "other" 50 million who might be getting a visit from armed IRS agents who will take your property unless you comply with a room full of federal regulations?