Ins refunds - thanks Mr President

[Stephanie]

oh dear gawd, watching these people under Bush all loud, protesting after protesting and watching them now

As I've posted before, we got two refunds last year.

Its about frikken time the insurance consumer got what we pay for.

Thank you, Mr President.

excuse me now I have to go puke

 

[Derideo_Te]

O-Care premiums to skyrocket | TheHill

4 months old link?

According to the latest polling a majority now see the ACA as either a direct benefit to themselves or someone they know.

Scare tactics about ACA premiums might have the exact opposite effect that you expect them to have.

Come on, Derido! They back loaded the costs of ObamaCare. You can poll all you want NOW...those people haven't had to pay the fiddler yet. If you'll recall, Barack Obama sold the ACA to middle class Americans by telling them it would lower their health care costs by an average of $2,500 a year. What Sebelious did was break the bad news that won't be happening and in fact the cost to the middle class will be going up. That's the first shoe to drop...the next one will be how MUCH it's going to go up for some people! Get ready, Kiddies because this isn't going to be pretty...

Still no math?

Preventative care REDUCES healthcare costs.

Contraceptives REDUCE healthcare costs.

Early intervention REDUCES healthcare costs.

Affordable medications REDUCE healthcare costs.

All of the above were known to the HMO's which is why they agreed to provide them because they did the math for themselves.

All of the above are happening right now.

Now until you can provide credible numbers to support your allegation you have nothing but rhetoric.

 

[Oldstyle]

4 months old link?

According to the latest polling a majority now see the ACA as either a direct benefit to themselves or someone they know.

Scare tactics about ACA premiums might have the exact opposite effect that you expect them to have.

Come on, Derido! They back loaded the costs of ObamaCare. You can poll all you want NOW...those people haven't had to pay the fiddler yet. If you'll recall, Barack Obama sold the ACA to middle class Americans by telling them it would lower their health care costs by an average of $2,500 a year. What Sebelious did was break the bad news that won't be happening and in fact the cost to the middle class will be going up. That's the first shoe to drop...the next one will be how MUCH it's going to go up for some people! Get ready, Kiddies because this isn't going to be pretty...

Still no math?

Preventative care REDUCES healthcare costs.

Contraceptives REDUCE healthcare costs.

Early intervention REDUCES healthcare costs.

Affordable medications REDUCE healthcare costs.

All of the above were known to the HMO's which is why they agreed to provide them because they did the math for themselves.

All of the above are happening right now.

Now until you can provide credible numbers to support your allegation you have nothing but rhetoric.

Obamacare enrollees older, sicker than insurer forecast | The Herald-Sun
blue cross blue shield logo.jpg
DURHAM —

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina officials said Thursday that they found that the people who enrolled in the individual Affordable Care Act plans it sold on the online health exchanges were older and sicker than expected.

That may mean higher rates for Affordable Care Act plans in the future, said Barbara Morales Burke, the insurer’s vice president of health policy.

“(It’s) a concern when we think about future premiums,” she said.

The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is the federal health law that requires most Americans to have health insurance. The roll-out of the online insurance marketplaces – where insurance companies sold plans that met certain requirements of the law -- was a provision of the act.

Blue Cross, the state’s largest insurer and the only company that sold Affordable Care Act plans statewide, saw fewer people enroll by May 1 than company officials expected.

Morales Burke said the insurer saw 232,000 people enroll by May 1 in the health plans that it offered through the federal online health marketplace in the state.

Ninety-one percent of those customers qualified for government subsidies to help them pay for he plans, she said.

And based on historical information, the majority were not Blue Cross customers last year.

Morales Burke said they expected 50 percent of enrollees to be 34 years of age or younger, she said, but they got 32 percent in that range.

About 69 percent of enrollees were between the 35 and 54, while the insurer expected 49 percent in that range.

It’s important to an insurance company to have healthy customers in the mix to balance out the cost of paying for customers with chronic conditions, she said.

“We need to have customers with low healthcare costs (to) offset claims of customers with high health care needs,” she said.

Morales Burke said an optional survey showed that the enrollees also had more chronic conditions like diabetes, depression, asthma, cancer and heart disease.

And because of the federal health law, she said the insurer can no longer charge those customers higher rates.

She said preliminary data also showed the enrollees were using more cardiology, obstetrics and gynecology, and orthopedics services, and seeking prescription drugs for mood and attention deficit disorders, HIV and infectious hepatitis.

“Blue Cross (Affordable Care Act) customers are older, have more chronic conditions than we anticipated than when we set rates for 2014 last year,” she said. “So when we set rates this year for 2015 ACA plans, those rates will need to be higher to reflect anticipated healthcare needs and usage of new ACA customers.”

She said enrollment differed from expectatons because the plans attracted a sicker population, and because the Obama administration’s change in policy to allowed customers to keep existing, non-compliant plans for two years. Morales Burke said the majority of the Blue Cross customers who were eligible to do so, did.

“We didn’t plan for (transition health care plans) -- the possibility of it didn’t exist,” she said. “They’re paying rates that match the plans they have.”

Adam Linker, health policy analyst for the N.C. Justice Center, a liberal-leaning Raleigh-based group that advocates for low-income people, pointed to another statistic in Morales Burke’s presentation – that about 91 percent of people who enrolled in ACA plans through Blue Cross got a subsidy to help pay for the cost.

He said the premiums are determined as a percentage of income, so even if the insurer’s rates do go up, the customer would not pay a larger share of his or her income.

Linker said his reaction to the raw numbers was that he thought they had a “pretty good age mix.” He also said that Blue Cross is still “dominating the market,” and perhaps the state’s high overall enrollment numbers would entice other insurers to enter the market.

Across North Carolina, 357,584 people enrolled in plans through the federally run exchange between Oct. 1, 2013, and March 31, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

The state was one of the top in the nation for enrollment, exceeded only by California, Florida, New York and Texas.

David Ridley, faculty director of the health program at Duke University’s’ Fuqua School of Business, said Blue Cross got a less healthy mix than expected, but he asked if the population purchased higher-cost plans to help offset that.

In the call, Morales Burke said about 80 percent of its exchange customers purchased a Silver Plan. That level of plan comes with higher premiums than the Bronze plans.

Ridley also said he’s curious to see numbers from the other insurer that sold plans through the federal insurance exchange in the state -- Coventry Health Care of the Carolinas. Coventry sold plans in select markets. He said that even if other insurers enter the market, it’s “entirely possible” that Blue Cross would remain the only insurer in the less desirable parts of the state.

“I’m really curious about whether the mix of patients for North Carolina was less healthy, or if Coventry attracted a healthier population in part because Coventry was not in every county,” he said. “So just because of location they might have had a healthier mix, or maybe Blue Cross and Blue Shield’s strong brand name works against them if they attract a less health group of patients.”

 

[Oldstyle]

Sadly...I'm not providing "rhetoric"...I'm simply pointing out reality.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina officials said Thursday that they found that the people who enrolled in the individual Affordable Care Act plans it sold on the online health exchanges were older and sicker than expected.

That may mean higher rates for Affordable Care Act plans in the future, said Barbara Morales Burke, the insurer’s vice president of health policy.

May mean higher rates = Will mean higher rates.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Come on, Derido! They back loaded the costs of ObamaCare. You can poll all you want NOW...those people haven't had to pay the fiddler yet. If you'll recall, Barack Obama sold the ACA to middle class Americans by telling them it would lower their health care costs by an average of $2,500 a year. What Sebelious did was break the bad news that won't be happening and in fact the cost to the middle class will be going up. That's the first shoe to drop...the next one will be how MUCH it's going to go up for some people! Get ready, Kiddies because this isn't going to be pretty...

Still no math?

Preventative care REDUCES healthcare costs.

Contraceptives REDUCE healthcare costs.

Early intervention REDUCES healthcare costs.

Affordable medications REDUCE healthcare costs.

All of the above were known to the HMO's which is why they agreed to provide them because they did the math for themselves.

All of the above are happening right now.

Now until you can provide credible numbers to support your allegation you have nothing but rhetoric.

Obamacare enrollees older, sicker than insurer forecast | The Herald-Sun
blue cross blue shield logo.jpg
DURHAM —

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina officials said Thursday that they found that the people who enrolled in the individual Affordable Care Act plans it sold on the online health exchanges were older and sicker than expected.

That may mean higher rates for Affordable Care Act plans in the future, said Barbara Morales Burke, the insurer’s vice president of health policy.

“(It’s) a concern when we think about future premiums,” she said.

The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is the federal health law that requires most Americans to have health insurance. The roll-out of the online insurance marketplaces – where insurance companies sold plans that met certain requirements of the law -- was a provision of the act.

Blue Cross, the state’s largest insurer and the only company that sold Affordable Care Act plans statewide, saw fewer people enroll by May 1 than company officials expected.

Morales Burke said the insurer saw 232,000 people enroll by May 1 in the health plans that it offered through the federal online health marketplace in the state.

Ninety-one percent of those customers qualified for government subsidies to help them pay for he plans, she said.

And based on historical information, the majority were not Blue Cross customers last year.

Morales Burke said they expected 50 percent of enrollees to be 34 years of age or younger, she said, but they got 32 percent in that range.

About 69 percent of enrollees were between the 35 and 54, while the insurer expected 49 percent in that range.

It’s important to an insurance company to have healthy customers in the mix to balance out the cost of paying for customers with chronic conditions, she said.

“We need to have customers with low healthcare costs (to) offset claims of customers with high health care needs,” she said.

Morales Burke said an optional survey showed that the enrollees also had more chronic conditions like diabetes, depression, asthma, cancer and heart disease.

And because of the federal health law, she said the insurer can no longer charge those customers higher rates.

She said preliminary data also showed the enrollees were using more cardiology, obstetrics and gynecology, and orthopedics services, and seeking prescription drugs for mood and attention deficit disorders, HIV and infectious hepatitis.

“Blue Cross (Affordable Care Act) customers are older, have more chronic conditions than we anticipated than when we set rates for 2014 last year,” she said. “So when we set rates this year for 2015 ACA plans, those rates will need to be higher to reflect anticipated healthcare needs and usage of new ACA customers.”

She said enrollment differed from expectatons because the plans attracted a sicker population, and because the Obama administration’s change in policy to allowed customers to keep existing, non-compliant plans for two years. Morales Burke said the majority of the Blue Cross customers who were eligible to do so, did.

“We didn’t plan for (transition health care plans) -- the possibility of it didn’t exist,” she said. “They’re paying rates that match the plans they have.”

Adam Linker, health policy analyst for the N.C. Justice Center, a liberal-leaning Raleigh-based group that advocates for low-income people, pointed to another statistic in Morales Burke’s presentation – that about 91 percent of people who enrolled in ACA plans through Blue Cross got a subsidy to help pay for the cost.

He said the premiums are determined as a percentage of income, so even if the insurer’s rates do go up, the customer would not pay a larger share of his or her income.

Linker said his reaction to the raw numbers was that he thought they had a “pretty good age mix.” He also said that Blue Cross is still “dominating the market,” and perhaps the state’s high overall enrollment numbers would entice other insurers to enter the market.

Across North Carolina, 357,584 people enrolled in plans through the federally run exchange between Oct. 1, 2013, and March 31, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

The state was one of the top in the nation for enrollment, exceeded only by California, Florida, New York and Texas.

David Ridley, faculty director of the health program at Duke University’s’ Fuqua School of Business, said Blue Cross got a less healthy mix than expected, but he asked if the population purchased higher-cost plans to help offset that.

In the call, Morales Burke said about 80 percent of its exchange customers purchased a Silver Plan. That level of plan comes with higher premiums than the Bronze plans.

Ridley also said he’s curious to see numbers from the other insurer that sold plans through the federal insurance exchange in the state -- Coventry Health Care of the Carolinas. Coventry sold plans in select markets. He said that even if other insurers enter the market, it’s “entirely possible” that Blue Cross would remain the only insurer in the less desirable parts of the state.

“I’m really curious about whether the mix of patients for North Carolina was less healthy, or if Coventry attracted a healthier population in part because Coventry was not in every county,” he said. “So just because of location they might have had a healthier mix, or maybe Blue Cross and Blue Shield’s strong brand name works against them if they attract a less health group of patients.”

Do you believe that this was a surprise to the HMO's?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Sadly...I'm not providing "rhetoric"...I'm simply pointing out reality.

You made this allegation;

Anyone with middle school math skills and even a basic understanding of how this roll out has taken place knows that insurance premiums for ObamaCare are going to go up dramatically in the second year.

You have been repeatedly challenged to substantiate your allegation about "middle school math skills" by providing the actual numbers.

Instead of providing the math you have only provided rhetoric in your subsequent posts.

 

[Oldstyle]

Still no math?

Preventative care REDUCES healthcare costs.

Contraceptives REDUCE healthcare costs.

Early intervention REDUCES healthcare costs.

Affordable medications REDUCE healthcare costs.

All of the above were known to the HMO's which is why they agreed to provide them because they did the math for themselves.

All of the above are happening right now.

Now until you can provide credible numbers to support your allegation you have nothing but rhetoric.

Obamacare enrollees older, sicker than insurer forecast | The Herald-Sun
blue cross blue shield logo.jpg
DURHAM —

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina officials said Thursday that they found that the people who enrolled in the individual Affordable Care Act plans it sold on the online health exchanges were older and sicker than expected.

That may mean higher rates for Affordable Care Act plans in the future, said Barbara Morales Burke, the insurer’s vice president of health policy.

“(It’s) a concern when we think about future premiums,” she said.

The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is the federal health law that requires most Americans to have health insurance. The roll-out of the online insurance marketplaces – where insurance companies sold plans that met certain requirements of the law -- was a provision of the act.

Blue Cross, the state’s largest insurer and the only company that sold Affordable Care Act plans statewide, saw fewer people enroll by May 1 than company officials expected.

Morales Burke said the insurer saw 232,000 people enroll by May 1 in the health plans that it offered through the federal online health marketplace in the state.

Ninety-one percent of those customers qualified for government subsidies to help them pay for he plans, she said.

And based on historical information, the majority were not Blue Cross customers last year.

Morales Burke said they expected 50 percent of enrollees to be 34 years of age or younger, she said, but they got 32 percent in that range.

About 69 percent of enrollees were between the 35 and 54, while the insurer expected 49 percent in that range.

It’s important to an insurance company to have healthy customers in the mix to balance out the cost of paying for customers with chronic conditions, she said.

“We need to have customers with low healthcare costs (to) offset claims of customers with high health care needs,” she said.

Morales Burke said an optional survey showed that the enrollees also had more chronic conditions like diabetes, depression, asthma, cancer and heart disease.

And because of the federal health law, she said the insurer can no longer charge those customers higher rates.

She said preliminary data also showed the enrollees were using more cardiology, obstetrics and gynecology, and orthopedics services, and seeking prescription drugs for mood and attention deficit disorders, HIV and infectious hepatitis.

“Blue Cross (Affordable Care Act) customers are older, have more chronic conditions than we anticipated than when we set rates for 2014 last year,” she said. “So when we set rates this year for 2015 ACA plans, those rates will need to be higher to reflect anticipated healthcare needs and usage of new ACA customers.”

She said enrollment differed from expectatons because the plans attracted a sicker population, and because the Obama administration’s change in policy to allowed customers to keep existing, non-compliant plans for two years. Morales Burke said the majority of the Blue Cross customers who were eligible to do so, did.

“We didn’t plan for (transition health care plans) -- the possibility of it didn’t exist,” she said. “They’re paying rates that match the plans they have.”

Adam Linker, health policy analyst for the N.C. Justice Center, a liberal-leaning Raleigh-based group that advocates for low-income people, pointed to another statistic in Morales Burke’s presentation – that about 91 percent of people who enrolled in ACA plans through Blue Cross got a subsidy to help pay for the cost.

He said the premiums are determined as a percentage of income, so even if the insurer’s rates do go up, the customer would not pay a larger share of his or her income.

Linker said his reaction to the raw numbers was that he thought they had a “pretty good age mix.” He also said that Blue Cross is still “dominating the market,” and perhaps the state’s high overall enrollment numbers would entice other insurers to enter the market.

Across North Carolina, 357,584 people enrolled in plans through the federally run exchange between Oct. 1, 2013, and March 31, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

The state was one of the top in the nation for enrollment, exceeded only by California, Florida, New York and Texas.

David Ridley, faculty director of the health program at Duke University’s’ Fuqua School of Business, said Blue Cross got a less healthy mix than expected, but he asked if the population purchased higher-cost plans to help offset that.

In the call, Morales Burke said about 80 percent of its exchange customers purchased a Silver Plan. That level of plan comes with higher premiums than the Bronze plans.

Ridley also said he’s curious to see numbers from the other insurer that sold plans through the federal insurance exchange in the state -- Coventry Health Care of the Carolinas. Coventry sold plans in select markets. He said that even if other insurers enter the market, it’s “entirely possible” that Blue Cross would remain the only insurer in the less desirable parts of the state.

“I’m really curious about whether the mix of patients for North Carolina was less healthy, or if Coventry attracted a healthier population in part because Coventry was not in every county,” he said. “So just because of location they might have had a healthier mix, or maybe Blue Cross and Blue Shield’s strong brand name works against them if they attract a less health group of patients.”

Do you believe that this was a surprise to the HMO's?

Of course not! That's why they insisted on the clause in the ACA where if costs go higher than anticipated the Federal Government would pick up the tab. I don't think this a "surprise" to anyone except perhaps some VERY naive folks on the left. I don't for a second think that it surprises Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid or Barack Obama. They all knew that the numbers they were giving the American public back in 2008 were total horse manure.

 

[Oldstyle]

Sadly...I'm not providing "rhetoric"...I'm simply pointing out reality.

You made this allegation;

Anyone with middle school math skills and even a basic understanding of how this roll out has taken place knows that insurance premiums for ObamaCare are going to go up dramatically in the second year.

You have been repeatedly challenged to substantiate your allegation about "middle school math skills" by providing the actual numbers.

Instead of providing the math you have only provided rhetoric in your subsequent posts.

Wow, I gave you an article that sums it up rather well, I thought. Do you not grasp the numbers that are involved in what they were discussing? They needed a lot of young and healthy people to sign up for this to offset the cost of older and sicker people...they didn't get them! Then the older and sicker people ended up using a lot more healthcare then anticipated...that drove up the costs. I guess I could put it into math form if you'd like. Would that make you feel better?

 

[Oldstyle]

As for providing the "actual numbers"? How exactly would ANYONE have the actual numbers for next year?

 

[Moonglow]

Before ACA: No Death Panels
With ACA: Death Panels

Thanks Mr. President! Now my Health Care is just like going to the V.A.! Which until now, I was trying to stay away from.

Thanks Mr. President! Enjoy your day spent golfing!

My VA is great!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

? Thanks To Obamacare, You Might Be Getting An Insurance Refund


Let me get this straight.

Insurance companies overcharge customers because they know that Obamacare gives them free reign to do so, which means they actually get to force their customers to subsidize their business for a full year without getting any money back other than the principle, and you think this proves Obama did a good thing.

Gotta admire the shear stupidity of thinking like that.

Maybe you should consider asking Obama why he signed a law that removes all liability from insurers that charge higher premiums than necessary as long as they issue refunds.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Sadly...I'm not providing "rhetoric"...I'm simply pointing out reality.

You made this allegation;

Anyone with middle school math skills and even a basic understanding of how this roll out has taken place knows that insurance premiums for ObamaCare are going to go up dramatically in the second year.

You have been repeatedly challenged to substantiate your allegation about "middle school math skills" by providing the actual numbers.

Instead of providing the math you have only provided rhetoric in your subsequent posts.

Wow, I gave you an article that sums it up rather well, I thought. Do you not grasp the numbers that are involved in what they were discussing? They needed a lot of young and healthy people to sign up for this to offset the cost of older and sicker people...they didn't get them! Then the older and sicker people ended up using a lot more healthcare then anticipated...that drove up the costs. I guess I could put it into math form if you'd like. Would that make you feel better?

Did you read your own article? Did you comprehend what it was about?

You are taken an anecdotal article about a single insurer and making the erroneous assumption that this is true for the entire nation.

Would you be happy if your car insurance premiums were based entirely upon the accident rate of 16 year old drivers with learners permits in NYC?

Because that is exactly what you are trying to do here. Taking a single isolated insurer which was in an atypical market demographic and erroneously extrapolating from that.

Needless to say that had you been capable of doing the math it would have exposed the flaws in your allegation.

 

[Oldstyle]

You made this allegation;



You have been repeatedly challenged to substantiate your allegation about "middle school math skills" by providing the actual numbers.

Instead of providing the math you have only provided rhetoric in your subsequent posts.

Wow, I gave you an article that sums it up rather well, I thought. Do you not grasp the numbers that are involved in what they were discussing? They needed a lot of young and healthy people to sign up for this to offset the cost of older and sicker people...they didn't get them! Then the older and sicker people ended up using a lot more healthcare then anticipated...that drove up the costs. I guess I could put it into math form if you'd like. Would that make you feel better?

Did you read your own article? Did you comprehend what it was about?

You are taken an anecdotal article about a single insurer and making the erroneous assumption that this is true for the entire nation.

Would you be happy if your car insurance premiums were based entirely upon the accident rate of 16 year old drivers with learners permits in NYC?

Because that is exactly what you are trying to do here. Taking a single isolated insurer which was in an atypical market demographic and erroneously extrapolating from that.

Needless to say that had you been capable of doing the math it would have exposed the flaws in your allegation.

Are you making the assumption that the problems I pointed out...not enough young and healthy people signed up...and too many older and unhealthy people signing up then using far more care than expected...don't exist in other areas of the country BESIDES North Carolina? I'm sorry but this is a massive problem in States from Hawaii to Maine.

 

[Rozman]

Refund?Refund?....

I will believe it when I see it....

I also remember someone saying over and over again.

If you like your plan you can keep your plan etc.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Wow, I gave you an article that sums it up rather well, I thought. Do you not grasp the numbers that are involved in what they were discussing? They needed a lot of young and healthy people to sign up for this to offset the cost of older and sicker people...they didn't get them! Then the older and sicker people ended up using a lot more healthcare then anticipated...that drove up the costs. I guess I could put it into math form if you'd like. Would that make you feel better?

Did you read your own article? Did you comprehend what it was about?

You are taken an anecdotal article about a single insurer and making the erroneous assumption that this is true for the entire nation.

Would you be happy if your car insurance premiums were based entirely upon the accident rate of 16 year old drivers with learners permits in NYC?

Because that is exactly what you are trying to do here. Taking a single isolated insurer which was in an atypical market demographic and erroneously extrapolating from that.

Needless to say that had you been capable of doing the math it would have exposed the flaws in your allegation.

Are you making the assumption that the problems I pointed out...not enough young and healthy people signed up...and too many older and unhealthy people signing up then using far more care than expected...don't exist in other areas of the country BESIDES North Carolina? I'm sorry but this is a massive problem in States from Hawaii to Maine.

"massive problem" = rhetoric!

The only one making any "assumptions" here is you and given that you cannot produce any credible substantiation for your assumptions you have effectively conceded your position. Have a nice day.

 

[TooTall]

Before ACA: No Death Panels
With ACA: Death Panels

Thanks Mr. President! Now my Health Care is just like going to the V.A.! Which until now, I was trying to stay away from.

Thanks Mr. President! Enjoy your day spent golfing!

My VA is great!

It wasn't so great for the hundreds of Vets that died waiting months or years to get an appointment.

 

[TooTall]

You made this allegation;



You have been repeatedly challenged to substantiate your allegation about "middle school math skills" by providing the actual numbers.

Instead of providing the math you have only provided rhetoric in your subsequent posts.

Wow, I gave you an article that sums it up rather well, I thought. Do you not grasp the numbers that are involved in what they were discussing? They needed a lot of young and healthy people to sign up for this to offset the cost of older and sicker people...they didn't get them! Then the older and sicker people ended up using a lot more healthcare then anticipated...that drove up the costs. I guess I could put it into math form if you'd like. Would that make you feel better?

Did you read your own article? Did you comprehend what it was about?

You are taken an anecdotal article about a single insurer and making the erroneous assumption that this is true for the entire nation.

Would you be happy if your car insurance premiums were based entirely upon the accident rate of 16 year old drivers with learners permits in NYC?

Because that is exactly what you are trying to do here. Taking a single isolated insurer which was in an atypical market demographic and erroneously extrapolating from that.

Needless to say that had you been capable of doing the math it would have exposed the flaws in your allegation.

Only a fool would attempt to make a comparison between "Blue Cross, the state’s largest insurer and the only company that sold Affordable Care Act plans statewide" and "the accident rate of 16 year old drivers with learners permits in NYC."

 

[Mad Scientist]

Before ACA: No Death Panels
With ACA: Death Panels

Thanks Mr. President! Now my Health Care is just like going to the V.A.! Which until now, I was trying to stay away from.

Thanks Mr. President! Enjoy your day spent golfing!

My VA is great!

It wasn't so great for the hundreds of Vets that died waiting months or years to get an appointment.

Give it time Moonglow eventually the Government will destroy your local VA too. Thankfully, Obama doesn't have a "Magic Putter" he can wave to destroy them all at the same time.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You can call the panels who will be rationing health care whatever you want to..."Death Panels" or"Sunshine Lollipop Panels"...it won't change the reality that healthcare WILL be rationed in this country. What you've witnessed happening at the VA? That's what's on tap for the rest of us. If you don't grasp that concept then you're rather naive.

In the past, health care was rationed and insurance companies decided what was covered and who got the care. ACA ended that.

Now, Republicans, RWs and our SCOTUS are putting that back in place.