Indonesia deploys warships/planes 'against' Australia

[percysunshine]

Has anyone ever wondered why all these people want to flee Indonesia?

 

[idb]

You really should link to that or perhaps it only happened in your mind.

A declaration of war would be pretty massive news but it seems to have been missed by the Australian press.

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indonesia, All the ABC

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In fact, most of the mentions are about Australian spying on Indonesia or Australian ships entering Indonesian waters and Australia apologising.

Please link to the declaration of war.

I suspect the 'many people' he refers to are talk-back callers.

As they were at the last election in Sept 2013, they are indicative of society in general.

Here are the Indonesian warships shown on ch 9 news Fri.

Australian and World News - ninemsn, Nine News

Along with the film clip was announced the threat from Indonesia that it will no longer accept people smuggling boats being towed/turned back to Indonesia and that if PM Abbott does so there'll be trouble...ie ... war...its warships shooting at the Australian Navy and its war planes reaching Australia.
One doesn't have to be Einstein to get the message.

Indonesia; basically; "DO as WE SAY or we'll attack you with our war ships and warplanes".

Chest thumping fools!

They're only indicative of people that call up talk-back shows.

 

[bianco]

Has anyone ever wondered why all these people want to flee Indonesia?

They're not Indonesians...they're from the Middle East, Africa, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc...the people smugglers fly them into Indonesia, then put them on boats to Australia.
Boats I would never put to sea in...and many of them capsize.

Here a Sheikh in Lebanon rants hatred of Australia...Australia gets blamed, as usual.
Australia is like the White heterosexual male of the world today...everything is his fault!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI3ruzlsZX0]The Asylum Boat Bomb-Shell That Brought Australia Criticism From Lebanon - YouTube[/ame]

 

[idb]

You really should link to that or perhaps it only happened in your mind.

A declaration of war would be pretty massive news but it seems to have been missed by the Australian press.

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indonesia, All the ABC

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

In fact, most of the mentions are about Australian spying on Indonesia or Australian ships entering Indonesian waters and Australia apologising.

Please link to the declaration of war.

I suspect the 'many people' he refers to are talk-back callers.

As they were at the last election in Sept 2013, they are indicative of society in general.

Here are the Indonesian warships shown on ch 9 news Fri.

Australian and World News - ninemsn, Nine News

Along with the film clip was announced the threat from Indonesia that it will no longer accept people smuggling boats being towed/turned back to Indonesia and that if PM Abbott does so there'll be trouble...ie ... war...its warships shooting at the Australian Navy and its war planes reaching Australia.
One doesn't have to be Einstein to get the message.

Indonesia; basically; "DO as WE SAY or we'll attack you with our war ships and warplanes".

Chest thumping fools!

No declaration of war in your link.

 

[Indofred]

Nothing in that link about Indonesia.

There should be Indonesian warships in the little video box at the top of the page.

So there is.
It tells of Australian ships illegally entering Indonesian waters and Indonesia sending ships to patrol its internationally accepted borders.
Perhaps you can name a country that allows foreign warships into its territorial waters without challenge.
How about a couple of Chinese destroyers popping over to Sydney without invitation; what would your navy do?

 

[Indofred]

Has anyone ever wondered why all these people want to flee Indonesia?

They aren't fleeing Indonesia, but some pass through.

 

[percysunshine]

Has anyone ever wondered why all these people want to flee Indonesia?

They're not Indonesians...they're from the Middle East, Africa, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc...the people smugglers fly them into Indonesia, then put them on boats to Australia.
Boats I would never put to sea in...and many of them capsize.

Indonesia is the transit lounge?

Common practice is that travelers without visas wait in the transit lounge if they were foolish enough to book a flight.

Indonesia either accommodates them, or sends them back to their port of origin.


This stuff isn't rocket science.

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[bianco]

Nothing in that link about Indonesia.

There should be Indonesian warships in the little video box at the top of the page.

So there is.
It tells of Australian ships illegally entering Indonesian waters and Indonesia sending ships to patrol its internationally accepted borders.
Perhaps you can name a country that allows foreign warships into its territorial waters without challenge.
How about a couple of Chinese destroyers popping over to Sydney without invitation; what would your navy do?

Offer the crews a beer.


Australia owned up immediately its ships towing people-smuggling boats strayed into Indonesia waters, and apologised.
Obviously thought Indonesia was a friend.
Given Indonesia had pledged many times to stop the people-smugglers, Australian navy probably wasn't being too careful about exactly what waves it was riding.
Doesn't look like Indonesia knew they were there...or even cared.
Now it's gonna start a war...one that it sure seems to have been itching to do for a long time.
Probably phone its good buddy Russia to help it.

Hmmm, maybe Australia should be blowing up all the Indonesian fishing boats illegally in Australian waters...enforce our sovereignty.

What the hell would Australia want with anything in Indonesia/Indonesian waters?
Jakarta is sinking into the sea.

 

[bianco]

Has anyone ever wondered why all these people want to flee Indonesia?

They're not Indonesians...they're from the Middle East, Africa, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc...the people smugglers fly them into Indonesia, then put them on boats to Australia.
Boats I would never put to sea in...and many of them capsize.

Indonesia is the transit lounge?

Common practice is that travelers without visas wait in the transit lounge if they were foolish enough to book a flight.

Indonesia either accommodates them, or sends them back to their port of origin.


This stuff isn't rocket science.

.

It's not rocket science, but;
seems there's money to be made;

The people smugglers? business model ? Parliament of Australia

A common and less complex route for Hazaras coming from Afghanistan and Pakistan is a flight to Malaysia (for which smugglers organise tickets and travel documents), followed by a boat to Indonesia and another to Australia.[29]
While travellers from Afghanistan require a visa to enter Malaysia, those from many other Middle Eastern nations, including Iraq and Iran, do not require a visa for short visits, making Malaysia an attractive transit country for smugglers bringing people from that region to Australia.[30]

Indonesia’s prominence as a transit country stems not just from geography, although Indonesia’s proximity to Australia, position on the path between source countries in the Middle East and Asia and Australia and the archipelagic nature of the country itself, are factors.
Additional factors include the levels of corruption among Indonesian police, military and other officials, the limited capacity of its law enforcement and security forces and the time taken for Indonesia’s Parliament to enact laws criminalising people smuggling, with laws only passed in April 2011.[33] Further, while many people smuggled to Australia also pass through Malaysia, the higher living costs there encourage most to move quickly on to Indonesia.[34]

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If Australia tows back the boats, and no boats are coming [there hasn't been a boat arrive for 5 weeks now, monsoon season + tough new measures]...then the money dries up, eh? [/b]

Could make a lot of people very unhappy.

 

[Meathead]

Indonesia cannot compete with Australia on any level. Conjecture otherwise is useless.

 

[bianco]

Indonesia cannot compete with Australia on any level. Conjecture otherwise is useless.

Indonesian military is ranked 14th in the world...Australia's is ranked 26th.
Dimwitted Aussie politicians are to blame.

Indonesia seems to get all its military hardware, planes, ships, subs, missiles etc from USA, Russia, Korea, Germany etc for free...or on a 10c a week payment plan.
Whereas Australia has to pay retail price for everything from the same countries.
And we're not allowed to buy the planes etc with all the bells and whistles, only allowed to buy the base models.

 

[Politico]

Takes a big man to admit all that. You could have done the blind chest thumping thing. Regardless no one is going to war.

 

[Meathead]

Indonesia cannot compete with Australia on any level. Conjecture otherwise is useless.

Indonesian military is ranked 14th in the world...Australia's is ranked 26th.
Dimwitted Aussie politicians are to blame.

Indonesia seems to get all its military hardware, planes, ships, subs, missiles etc from USA, Russia, Korea, Germany etc for free...or on a 10c a week payment plan.
Whereas Australia has to pay retail price for everything from the same countries.
And we're not allowed to buy the planes etc with all the bells and whistles, only allowed to buy the base models.

Australia has a real military, Indonesia is still a third-rate country with a third-rate military.

 

[Politico]

No one is going to war.

 

[Indofred]

Indonesia cannot compete with Australia on any level. Conjecture otherwise is useless.

Indonesian military is ranked 14th in the world...Australia's is ranked 26th.
Dimwitted Aussie politicians are to blame.

Indonesia seems to get all its military hardware, planes, ships, subs, missiles etc from USA, Russia, Korea, Germany etc for free...or on a 10c a week payment plan.
Whereas Australia has to pay retail price for everything from the same countries.
And we're not allowed to buy the planes etc with all the bells and whistles, only allowed to buy the base models.

Australia has a real military, Indonesia is still a third-rate country with a third-rate military.

I've observed both British and Indonesian military.
Don't even bother trying.

However, much as idiot forum members are looking for an excuse for war, there will be none as those idiots aren't in charge.

 

[Meathead]

Indonesian military is ranked 14th in the world...Australia's is ranked 26th.
Dimwitted Aussie politicians are to blame.

Indonesia seems to get all its military hardware, planes, ships, subs, missiles etc from USA, Russia, Korea, Germany etc for free...or on a 10c a week payment plan.
Whereas Australia has to pay retail price for everything from the same countries.
And we're not allowed to buy the planes etc with all the bells and whistles, only allowed to buy the base models.

Australia has a real military, Indonesia is still a third-rate country with a third-rate military.

I've observed both British and Indonesian military.
Don't even bother trying.

However, much as idiot forum members are looking for an excuse for war, there will be none as those idiots aren't in charge.

Stop being a non-stop prick. Nobody thinks there's going to be a war.

 

[Bumberclyde]

I say let's back Indonesia. Like, wtf has Ozstralia ever done except be overrun by rats?

 

[Indofred]

Now it's gonna start a war...one that it sure seems to have been itching to do for a long time.
Probably phone its good buddy Russia to help it..

Indonesia isn't interested in a war, except in your imagination.

 

[Bumberclyde]

Now it's gonna start a war...one that it sure seems to have been itching to do for a long time.
Probably phone its good buddy Russia to help it..

Indonesia isn't interested in a war, except in your imagination.

Don't worry, the US will back you, they've always liked terrorists.

 

[Indofred]

However, much as idiot forum members are looking for an excuse for war, there will be none as those idiots aren't in charge.

Stop being a non-stop prick. Nobody thinks there's going to be a war.

Now it's gonna start a war...one that it sure seems to have been itching to do for a long time..

Sorry, meathead, what did you say?