Indiana is for Bigots - video and Pence running for cover

[ChrisL]

Think of how much time is engaged with gay issues. A largely inconsequential law is passed in Indiana and it's a bigger story that a new ground war breaking out in Yemen, mega-drought in California, the tenuous union of the Eurozone, South American counties on the verge of collapse, etc.. People want to move the NCAA tournament and pull businesses out of the state.

Roughly 2-3% of Americans are gay. Most of them don't get married. There have been about 100,000 gay marriages in the USA, a country of 325 million people.

It doesn't harm anyone to let gay people be married. If people would STOP making it into such an issue and allow them to live their own lives, then it wouldn't have to be an issue at all. Why not just leave them be? Let them live their lives in their own way.

 

[ChrisL]

No it isn't. Baking a cake for a wedding does not mean you approve of the people in the wedding party. You are just an ignorant throw-back. Thankfully, YOUR kind is a rarity in our educated and civilized society.

When MY kind are gone, and you're right we will be sooner rather than later.... There will be nobody left to save you from yourselves and the end of the world will be upon us. I'll be sitting in Valhallah and you folks will be begging for someone to come and save you from yourselves.

 

[ChrisL]

You're going to hell because of being a horrible person. You wouldn't know right from wrong if it slapped you upside you dumb fat head.

Actually I'm hoping for Valhallah. I know I'll end up going out in a blaze of glory and taking several people with me, so I feel there's a reasonable chance I'll catch the eye of one of the Valkyries.

You're an idiot, plain and simple, TIGGER.

 

[Anathema]

Careful doing anything like that in real life, ChrisL. Many of us have absolutely no qualms about hitting (or worse) a girl.

 

[ChrisL]

Careful doing anything like that in real life, ChrisL. Many of us have absolutely no qualms about hitting (or worse) a girl.

Oh my, I'm SO intimidated. Have another. Someone needs to smack some sense into that fat head.

GOD would not approve.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

 

[Dana7360]

Selfishness can be, but often isn't, the first rule of survival, not morality. To be moral means to see beyond yourself. The selfish act is to not run into the street to garb a child before it's hit by a car. The moral act is the exact opposite. In your version of morality, you'd wait until the car had passed, and then walk to the dead body to look through the pockets for ice cream money...

No. Being MORAL means understanding, accepting and acting according to the basic tenants of RIGHT and WRONG, nothing more.

In your example, unless the child is yours, you have no responsibility for it. If the parents aren't there, then anything the child has on them is fair game.

Yep, you're a total loon like Bripat, and nothing like moral. Is that some Ayn Rand shit, it's certainly nothing like the morality of the people who founded this nation, making you an American in name only.

Christians founded this nation on Christian principles.

You're confusing the pilgrims with the founders of the United States of America.

The pilgrims did create that theocratic colony of England. The church and king ruled the colonies. These are also the people who burned people, mostly women, at the stake for being a witch. They also put people in stocks in the town square and other very horrible things.

That went on for around 150 years.

Then in the 1770s, the liberals had enough of the church and king ruling their lives. They revolted and waged a revolution for freedom.

Those founders of the United States of America founded a secular nation with church and state separate. The church having zero influence or authority over government and our laws.

The founders went farther than the constitution to make sure that America was not a christian nation nor founded on christian beliefs when the new congress passed the Treaty of Tripoli that in one part clearly says that America isn't a christian nation and isn't in any sense founded on the christian religion.

Seriously here. Where were you in high school when you were supposed to have learned about all this?

 

[Anathema]

Oh my, I'm SO intimidated. Have another. Someone needs to smack some sense into that fat head.

Not going to happen. First off the posting was purely informational, not intended to intimidate. Secondly, we have an MRI that proves I have a rock (calcium deposit) in my brain, so smacking my head is likely to do more damage to the hand than to my head.

GOD would not approve.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Your God would not approve. I am not a follower of an Abrahamic religion. I don't believe Religion is appropriate. I've come to realize that only a personal connection with the Divine/Diety can show one the truest paths in life. That's how I figured out that Morality is and always has been more inportant than Religion.

 

[Dana7360]

Boycott Indiana? Move the NCAA Finals? I've never seen such hysteria over so little. The bill actually protects freedom of choice. If a photographer doesn't want to work a gay wedding, he can't be forced to by the government. I don't have a problem with that. And if you're getting gay married, why would you want an anti-gay photographer working it in the first place? Wouldn't you rather hire Bruce's Gleeful Photo?

Then what will happen if a muslim taxi driver who won't allow a woman in his car or someone who is drunk? Or muslim baker who won't bake a cake for a white christian?

Or a muslim who is the only doctor who can treat your cancer and refuses to treat you because you're a christian?

The law in Indiana allows the above to happen.

 

[Anathema]

Then what will happen if a muslim taxi driver who won't allow a woman in his car or someone who is drunk? Or muslim baker who won't bake a cake for a white christian?

Or a muslim who is the only doctor who can treat your cancer and refuses to treat you because you're a christian?

The law in Indiana allows the above to happen.

That's fine. I for one have no issue with that at all.

 

[boedicca]

The California Constitution guarantees religious freedom - perhaps you all need to attack Jerry Brown:


CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS


SEC. 4. Free exercise and enjoyment of religion without
discrimination or preference are guaranteed. This liberty of
conscience does not excuse acts that are licentious or inconsistent
with the peace or safety of the State. The Legislature shall make no
law respecting an establishment of religion.
A person is not incompetent to be a witness or juror because of
his or her opinions on religious beliefs.

WAIS Document Retrieval

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Boycott Indiana? Move the NCAA Finals? I've never seen such hysteria over so little. The bill actually protects freedom of choice. If a photographer doesn't want to work a gay wedding, he can't be forced to by the government. I don't have a problem with that. And if you're getting gay married, why would you want an anti-gay photographer working it in the first place? Wouldn't you rather hire Bruce's Gleeful Photo?

Then what will happen if a muslim taxi driver who won't allow a woman in his car or someone who is drunk? Or muslim baker who won't bake a cake for a white christian?

Or a muslim who is the only doctor who can treat your cancer and refuses to treat you because you're a christian?

The law in Indiana allows the above to happen.

then the muslim taxi driver will lose business or else his job with the cab company...
the muslim baker will lose a lot of christian/other business...if he only bakes cakes for muslims...
a muslim doctor will lose his job at the hospital or else the christian will seek out a christian doctor/hospital...

a free market will sort things out...

 

[LittleNipper]

Then what will happen if a muslim taxi driver who won't allow a woman in his car or someone who is drunk? Or muslim baker who won't bake a cake for a white christian?

Or a muslim who is the only doctor who can treat your cancer and refuses to treat you because you're a christian?

The law in Indiana allows the above to happen.

That's fine. I for one have no issue with that at all.

I agree TOTALLY! I would never sue someone for not making me a cake for any reason. There are plenty of bakeries out there. I worked in the camera department of a once famous Department Store. Customers would bring in film o be developed. Every now and again, someone would have "naughty" pictures. We'd simply throw them out. They'd get the negatives back, but we WOULD NOT print them. This is the way it should work in a free society. Take your smut to someone else. Don't try to make others out to be narrow minded. Simply go your own way and let others go theirs.

 

[boedicca]

Then what will happen if a muslim taxi driver who won't allow a woman in his car or someone who is drunk? Or muslim baker who won't bake a cake for a white christian?

Or a muslim who is the only doctor who can treat your cancer and refuses to treat you because you're a christian?

The law in Indiana allows the above to happen.

That's fine. I for one have no issue with that at all.

I agree TOTALLY! I would never sue someone for not making me a cake for any reason. There are plenty of bakeries out there. I worked in the camera department of a once famous Department Store. Customers would bring in film developed. Every now and again, someone would have "naughty" pictures. We'd simply throw them out. They'd get the negatives back, but we WOULD NOT print them. This is the way it should work in a free society. Take your smut to someone else. Don't try to make others out to be narrow minded

The best way to vote is with one's pocket book. There are plenty of bakeries that would be happy for the custom. The one that doesn't want the business is losing out - but that should be its choice.

 

[Lakhota]

Indiana GOP Leaders Shocked Their 'Religious Freedom' Law Is Seen As Anti-Gay

Shocked? They knew exactly what they were doing - but got called on their bigotry.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

When did you make the decision to be straight?

Faggots should stop suing people who refuse to cater to their "lifestyle" and laws like this wouldn't be needed but of course the people in the right are blamed as usual. Indiana will survive and faggots will get over it.

This is a civil rights battle and all the usual suspects are lined up on the losing side.

Lifestyle choice is not a civil right.

Lifestyle choice and sexual orientation are two different things.

Now you know.

 

[Silhouette]

bulimia (eating orientation) and sexual orientation are the same thing. They're both gotten from habituated repetition. Doesn't mean they're normal or should be mainstreamed via the vehicle of marriage. Nor does that mean other people should be forced outside their faith to enable that mistake.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Selfishness can be, but often isn't, the first rule of survival, not morality. To be moral means to see beyond yourself. The selfish act is to not run into the street to garb a child before it's hit by a car. The moral act is the exact opposite. In your version of morality, you'd wait until the car had passed, and then walk to the dead body to look through the pockets for ice cream money...

No. Being MORAL means understanding, accepting and acting according to the basic tenants of RIGHT and WRONG, nothing more.

In your example, unless the child is yours, you have no responsibility for it. If the parents aren't there, then anything the child has on them is fair game.

Yep, you're a total loon like Bripat, and nothing like moral. Is that some Ayn Rand shit, it's certainly nothing like the morality of the people who founded this nation, making you an American in name only.

Christians founded this nation on Christian principles.

You're confusing the pilgrims with the founders of the United States of America.

The pilgrims did create that theocratic colony of England. The church and king ruled the colonies. These are also the people who burned people, mostly women, at the stake for being a witch. They also put people in stocks in the town square and other very horrible things.

That went on for around 150 years.

Then in the 1770s, the liberals had enough of the church and king ruling their lives. They revolted and waged a revolution for freedom.

Those founders of the United States of America founded a secular nation with church and state separate. The church having zero influence or authority over government and our laws.

The founders went farther than the constitution to make sure that America was not a christian nation nor founded on christian beliefs when the new congress passed the Treaty of Tripoli that in one part clearly says that America isn't a christian nation and isn't in any sense founded on the christian religion.

Seriously here. Where were you in high school when you were supposed to have learned about all this?

You to are lying.

 

[LittleNipper]

When did you make the decision to be straight?

Faggots should stop suing people who refuse to cater to their "lifestyle" and laws like this wouldn't be needed but of course the people in the right are blamed as usual. Indiana will survive and faggots will get over it.

This is a civil rights battle and all the usual suspects are lined up on the losing side.

Lifestyle choice is not a civil right.

Lifestyle choice and sexual orientation are two different things.

Now you know.

What you don't know can't influence you --- remain celibate!

 

[bripat9643]

Hmmm....I wonder how a gay restaurant owner would feel if he were forced to, by law, serve a table of 6 who are all wearing "vote NO for gay marriage" shirts.

If he's smart the only creed, opinion, or color he cares about is green. Business is business, neither politics nor religion.

maybe you would have no issue compromising your belief system in an effort to make money...but not everyone feels that ay.

In capitalism the bottom line is the belief system. If you want to run a church, do so, but that's not a business in this case.

You keep confusing "capitalism" with the American version of fascism.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Careful doing anything like that in real life, ChrisL. Many of us have absolutely no qualms about hitting (or worse) a girl.

That sounded like a threat.