Indiana is for Bigots - video and Pence running for cover

[Vigilante]

As usual, RUSH has hit another out of the park on this subversive bullshit...

The Left Repeats "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" Tactic on the State of Indiana
March 30, 2015


RUSH: I want to go to Indiana and discuss this supposedly controversial Indiana religious freedom law. It's made to order for the modern-day Drive-By Media. On Saturday and Sunday, ABC, CBS, NBC -- virtually every mainstream media organization -- condemned a new law in Indiana that would protect private businesses from government infringement on their religious freedom. What this means is that the Obama administration wants to do away -- and the media is assisting -- with the whole notion of free markets, the Constitution, and the freedom of religion clause.

The administration wants the power to mandate everything as much as they can. Now, the news organizations -- ABC, CBS, NBC, and all the others -- just had a collective cow over this. And rather than provide any kind of balance, rather than explain the history and the context and the true meaning and detail of the Indiana law, they predictably began to trash the legislation and Indianans as a bunch of bigots opening the door to discrimination against gays and lesbians.


Even the CEO of Apple, Inc., Tim Cook took to the pages of the Washington Post and wrote an editorial condemning this kind of legislation -- not just in Indiana, but wherever it might be -- and making it out to be example of the worst instincts among us that we have here discriminating against people, and it's so un-American and so forth. Mr. Snerdley me asked me today, "When's the last time Tim Cook wrote an op-ed in the Shanghai Daily News ripping the ChiComs?"

I mean, the ChiComs impinge on everybody's freedom, particularly religious freedom in China. Of course it's a major, major Apple market. I happened to think about it when Snerdley asked me the question. I can't think of the time when an Apple executive... All I can think of when it comes to ChiComs is Google caving to the ChiComs on what kind of search results will not be seen and produced by Google when Chinese citizens are searching.

But what is fascinating about this, and it's becoming an even more prevalent reality. On the one hand, on any issue, we have the reality. We have facts, we have history, we have context, we have truth. On the other hand, we have the absence of all of that, the misrepresentation of the facts, misrepresentation of the truth, misrepresentation of the context. In addition to that, then the media is hyping it all with a bunch of emotional propaganda that is designed specifically to misinform people bunch of about what has happened, particularly this case, this law in Indiana.

It's like everybody's forgotten the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling. It's like it never happened! Does anybody remember this, or the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, which the Supreme Court upheld last year in the Hobby Lobby case? Everybody's acting like that's not the law of the land. The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 was introduced by Chuck Schumer (Democrat-New York) on March 11, 1993; it was passed by a unanimous House of Representatives and a near unanimous Senate.....

The Left Repeats Hands Up Don t Shoot Tactic on the State of Indiana - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Are you sure the Supreme Court got the Hobby Lobby ruling right?

Doesn't matter, as with ROE, it's the law.... you can fight it all you want, maybe queers can overturn it, like good people for the last 40+ years trying to overturn ROE!

lol, there go the pro-lifers, under the bus!!!!!!!!!!!

Simply showing you that you perversion lovers have been outplayed!

 

[Dana7360]

Boycott Indiana? Move the NCAA Finals? I've never seen such hysteria over so little. The bill actually protects freedom of choice. If a photographer doesn't want to work a gay wedding, he can't be forced to by the government. I don't have a problem with that. And if you're getting gay married, why would you want an anti-gay photographer working it in the first place? Wouldn't you rather hire Bruce's Gleeful Photo?

Then what will happen if a muslim taxi driver who won't allow a woman in his car or someone who is drunk? Or muslim baker who won't bake a cake for a white christian?

Or a muslim who is the only doctor who can treat your cancer and refuses to treat you because you're a christian?

The law in Indiana allows the above to happen.

then the muslim taxi driver will lose business or else his job with the cab company...
the muslim baker will lose a lot of christian/other business...if he only bakes cakes for muslims...
a muslim doctor will lose his job at the hospital or else the christian will seek out a christian doctor/hospital...

a free market will sort things out...

So you're ok with a doctor denying you treatment and you die?

Wow.

Ok that's your choice. I guess.

Personally, I'm not ok with it and believe that if you're in business to serve the public then you serve all of the public and you have no right to deny your services to anyone just because you and your religion doesn't like them.

Your attitude would have us still with jim crow segregation. I guess you believe that African Americans don't have the same rights as everyone else too.

 

[bripat9643]

Boycott these 5 common products made in Indiana

Boycott these 5 common products made in Indiana

I'll go out of my way to purchase all 5

 

[squeeze berry]

how do you know someone is gay unless they advertise it?

 

[Dana7360]

Selfishness can be, but often isn't, the first rule of survival, not morality. To be moral means to see beyond yourself. The selfish act is to not run into the street to garb a child before it's hit by a car. The moral act is the exact opposite. In your version of morality, you'd wait until the car had passed, and then walk to the dead body to look through the pockets for ice cream money...

No. Being MORAL means understanding, accepting and acting according to the basic tenants of RIGHT and WRONG, nothing more.

In your example, unless the child is yours, you have no responsibility for it. If the parents aren't there, then anything the child has on them is fair game.

Yep, you're a total loon like Bripat, and nothing like moral. Is that some Ayn Rand shit, it's certainly nothing like the morality of the people who founded this nation, making you an American in name only.

Christians founded this nation on Christian principles.

You're confusing the pilgrims with the founders of the United States of America.

The pilgrims did create that theocratic colony of England. The church and king ruled the colonies. These are also the people who burned people, mostly women, at the stake for being a witch. They also put people in stocks in the town square and other very horrible things.

That went on for around 150 years.

Then in the 1770s, the liberals had enough of the church and king ruling their lives. They revolted and waged a revolution for freedom.

Those founders of the United States of America founded a secular nation with church and state separate. The church having zero influence or authority over government and our laws.

The founders went farther than the constitution to make sure that America was not a christian nation nor founded on christian beliefs when the new congress passed the Treaty of Tripoli that in one part clearly says that America isn't a christian nation and isn't in any sense founded on the christian religion.

Seriously here. Where were you in high school when you were supposed to have learned about all this?

You to are lying.

Just because you say I'm lying doesn't make what you say true.

If you knew anything about honest American history you wouldn't have posted that. Or you do know honest history but still want to argue with me.

 

[Vigilante]

Boycott Indiana? Move the NCAA Finals? I've never seen such hysteria over so little. The bill actually protects freedom of choice. If a photographer doesn't want to work a gay wedding, he can't be forced to by the government. I don't have a problem with that. And if you're getting gay married, why would you want an anti-gay photographer working it in the first place? Wouldn't you rather hire Bruce's Gleeful Photo?

Then what will happen if a muslim taxi driver who won't allow a woman in his car or someone who is drunk? Or muslim baker who won't bake a cake for a white christian?

Or a muslim who is the only doctor who can treat your cancer and refuses to treat you because you're a christian?

The law in Indiana allows the above to happen.

then the muslim taxi driver will lose business or else his job with the cab company...
the muslim baker will lose a lot of christian/other business...if he only bakes cakes for muslims...
a muslim doctor will lose his job at the hospital or else the christian will seek out a christian doctor/hospital...

a free market will sort things out...

So you're ok with a doctor denying you treatment and you die?

Wow.

Ok that's your choice. I guess.

Personally, I'm not ok with it and believe that if you're in business to serve the public then you serve all of the public and you have no right to deny your services to anyone just because you and your religion doesn't like them.

Your attitude would have us still with jim crow segregation. I guess you believe that African Americans don't have the same rights as everyone else too.

Go to another doctor, BUT his Hippocratic oath will trump his religious beliefs in most cases!

 

[Kondor3]

I'll go out of my way to purchase all 5

Bingo...

 

[bripat9643]

how do you know someone is gay unless they advertise it?

You know when they ask you to bake a cake with two dykes on it.

 

[squeeze berry]

Boycott Indiana? Move the NCAA Finals? I've never seen such hysteria over so little. The bill actually protects freedom of choice. If a photographer doesn't want to work a gay wedding, he can't be forced to by the government. I don't have a problem with that. And if you're getting gay married, why would you want an anti-gay photographer working it in the first place? Wouldn't you rather hire Bruce's Gleeful Photo?

Then what will happen if a muslim taxi driver who won't allow a woman in his car or someone who is drunk? Or muslim baker who won't bake a cake for a white christian?

Or a muslim who is the only doctor who can treat your cancer and refuses to treat you because you're a christian?

The law in Indiana allows the above to happen.

then the muslim taxi driver will lose business or else his job with the cab company...
the muslim baker will lose a lot of christian/other business...if he only bakes cakes for muslims...
a muslim doctor will lose his job at the hospital or else the christian will seek out a christian doctor/hospital...

a free market will sort things out...

So you're ok with a doctor denying you treatment and you die?

Wow.

Ok that's your choice. I guess.

Personally, I'm not ok with it and believe that if you're in business to serve the public then you serve all of the public and you have no right to deny your services to anyone just because you and your religion doesn't like them.

Your attitude would have us still with jim crow segregation. I guess you believe that African Americans don't have the same rights as everyone else too.

clown,

has a doctor ever refused to treat a homo?

we all have civil rights BTW, not just "minorities"

 

[Kondor3]

how do you know someone is gay unless they advertise it?

You know when they ask you to bake a cake with two dykes on it.

They can call it the Carpet Muncher Special...

Sick phukks...

 

[BlackSand]

Go to another doctor, BUT his Hippocratic oath will trump his religious beliefs in most cases!

Doctors can deny treatment for any assortment of reasons, even with the oath ... As long as they ensure emergency treatment is given or they provide a referral.
They do not have to perform the emergency treatment if they can get another doctor to do it.

.

 

[bripat9643]

Boycott Indiana? Move the NCAA Finals? I've never seen such hysteria over so little. The bill actually protects freedom of choice. If a photographer doesn't want to work a gay wedding, he can't be forced to by the government. I don't have a problem with that. And if you're getting gay married, why would you want an anti-gay photographer working it in the first place? Wouldn't you rather hire Bruce's Gleeful Photo?

Then what will happen if a muslim taxi driver who won't allow a woman in his car or someone who is drunk? Or muslim baker who won't bake a cake for a white christian?

Or a muslim who is the only doctor who can treat your cancer and refuses to treat you because you're a christian?

The law in Indiana allows the above to happen.

then the muslim taxi driver will lose business or else his job with the cab company...
the muslim baker will lose a lot of christian/other business...if he only bakes cakes for muslims...
a muslim doctor will lose his job at the hospital or else the christian will seek out a christian doctor/hospital...

a free market will sort things out...

So you're ok with a doctor denying you treatment and you die?

Wow.

Ok that's your choice. I guess.

Personally, I'm not ok with it and believe that if you're in business to serve the public then you serve all of the public and you have no right to deny your services to anyone just because you and your religion doesn't like them.

Your attitude would have us still with jim crow segregation. I guess you believe that African Americans don't have the same rights as everyone else too.

clown,

has a doctor ever refused to treat a homo?

we all have civil rights BTW, not just "minorities"

Ill bet some have refused because they don't want to contract HIV.

 

[Treeshepherd]

So you're ok with a doctor denying you treatment and you die?

Wow.

Ok that's your choice. I guess.

Personally, I'm not ok with it and believe that if you're in business to serve the public then you serve all of the public and you have no right to deny your services to anyone just because you and your religion doesn't like them.

Your attitude would have us still with jim crow segregation. I guess you believe that African Americans don't have the same rights as everyone else too.

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act requires that emergency care be given to anyone regardless of citizenship, legal status and ability to pay. I guarantee that any hospital or doctor in any State of the Union that denies care to a homo is going to be sued to high heaven. So, you're blowing hot air.

I also find it offensive how gay rights are constantly being equated with racial discrimination rights. It's like telling a cancer patient, "I know how you feel because I have a cold."

 

[Treeshepherd]

The question really comes down to this: is freedom a two way street?

In California there is a chain of gyms called Curves for Women. Because women sometimes want to avoid the usual meat market gym, Curves for Women provides an all-female atmosphere where women can comfortably work out. I don't think any progressives have a problem with that. Yet, if someone wants to start an all-male gentleman's club where men can smoke and drink and fart away from the prying eyes of women, that's wrong from a progressive view.

What rights should a business owner have? That's the question.

I'm not aware of anything in the Constitution that says we have a right to any photographer or florist we choose regardless of whether they want our business.

 

[LeftofLeft]

"The hits just keep on coming for the state of Indiana.

Since the signing of the so-called the so-called Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law on Thursday, one of the top trending topics on Twitter is #BoycottIndiana.

With Gov. Mike Pence (R) taking a beating on Twitter, and businesses reviewing their plans in the state, little beyond next week’s Final Four in Indianapolis is going right for the Hoosier State.

With that in mind, the good folks at the Internet Action Force have stepped up and pitched in, creating a tourist pitch selling Indiana as ” It’s a great place to be a bigot.”

Well kids, the days of beating on the gays are coming to an end. It's time to move on, deal with the fact that business is business, not church, and cash, not Jesus, is king in this case. Have your faith but bake the cake, or face this from all sides.

Bigots are people who don't want certain kinds of people in their establishment........like Black politicians who ***** about Asians moving into their neighborhoods. That's a bigot, too.

 

[BlackSand]

I'm not aware of anything in the Constitution that says we have a right to any photographer or florist we choose regardless of whether they want our business.

The only time the Constitution matters to a Progressive is when they want to change it.
That isn't really an insult ... It is part of being Progressive ... And their idea that government can solve social issues without creating more or different issues in the process.

.

 

[YellowDogDemocrat]

The force of the law worked just fine, it's why ******* can now check into whatever hotels they like, as long as they can pay the tab.

I don't know what ****** is. Lol. But no, it doesn't work obviously. That is why this is happening now. You cannot change the way people think and feel by making laws. People change because they become educated in the things they don't understand. Making laws that force them only makes them angry, and then we have this right here.

******* = Blacks, and I don't give a damn what the bigots think or feel. The force of law works, well. That is why blacks can now stay at any hotel they like.

Why can't you just say "blacks" or "African Americans" or something?

And no, black people were still discriminated against. Martin Luther King's peaceful protests are what more than likely changed a LOT of hearts and minds anyways. Laws do not change the way people FEEL.

Nobody can enforce what somebody feels. You can, however, use the law to make them behave fairly.

That isn't a legitimate purpose of law.

If everybody was conforming to the requirements out of choice, why would we ever need any law in the first place? Laws are to enforce compliance. Nothing else.

 

[ChrisL]

What better way to do that than to allow them to hang their signs? That way, you know EXACTLY who you are doing business with. Forcing people never has worked and never will work, obviously.

The force of the law worked just fine, it's why ******* can now check into whatever hotels they like, as long as they can pay the tab.

I don't know what ****** is. Lol. But no, it doesn't work obviously. That is why this is happening now. You cannot change the way people think and feel by making laws. People change because they become educated in the things they don't understand. Making laws that force them only makes them angry, and then we have this right here.

Isn't that the purpose for laws? If everybody wanted to do it anyway, there would be no need for any laws.

Businesses that refuse to cater to homosexuals, or anyone with MONEY, are going to be a HUGE minority in today's day and age.

ROFL! I hardly think so. The are less than 2% of the population, and they don't reproduce.

I'll repeat it for you since you completely misunderstood. I said BUSINESSES that refuse to cater to homosexuals are going to be a minority. In other words, there are not going to be many businesses that would refuse people's money, regardless of what they do in their bedroom.

MOST people don't really care about such things. Why YOU and others care so much about what a person does in the privacy of their bedroom is a complete mystery to me.

 

[ChrisL]

Personally, I would serve gays if I had a business. No problem.

However, I also have no problem if a business owner chooses not too.

its all good

It is all good.

If on moral grounds a lesbian photographer doesn't want to work a Catholic wedding, she shouldn't have to either. I think that's the main point Pence was trying to make over the weekend; freedom is a two way street.

This is what I've been saying too. If a business owner doesn't want to associate at all with a particular person, then that should be his or her decision, but that business owner will end up losing money, and it is a damn stupid way to run a business.

 

[ChrisL]

Go to another doctor, BUT his Hippocratic oath will trump his religious beliefs in most cases!

Doctors can deny treatment for any assortment of reasons, even with the oath ... As long as they ensure emergency treatment is given or they provide a referral.
They do not have to perform the emergency treatment if they can get another doctor to do it.

.

IMO, that person has no business being in the medical field. Doctors should not discriminate. Their job is to heal people. Not to judge their lifestyle.