Indiana is for Bigots - video and Pence running for cover

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

When did you make the decision to be straight?

Faggots should stop suing people who refuse to cater to their "lifestyle" and laws like this wouldn't be needed but of course the people in the right are blamed as usual. Indiana will survive and faggots will get over it.

This is a civil rights battle and all the usual suspects are lined up on the losing side.

Lifestyle choice is not a civil right.

Lifestyle choice and sexual orientation are two different things.

Now you know.

What you don't know can't influence you --- remain celibate!

Whatever that means.

 

[bripat9643]

You don't get to compel other people to do what you think is moral.

I thought you leftwing morons were opposed to government legislating morality.

1. Yes we do.
2,. Society has morals, which it promotes and defends, most often using the laws it creates.

We have a communal morality here, you just reject that like all other infants, who can think only of themselves.

Hmmm, no, society doesn't have morals. Society is an abstract concept that can't even be concretely identified. What you really mean is that government toadies like you want to impose your morals on the rest of us.

Enforcing your moral code is not a legitimate function of government. Liberals used to object to that. Now they have swung in the opposite direction.

 

[bripat9643]

It's hardly biting them in the ass, it's drawing the bigots out into the daylight, that hurts their eyes. That place is about to make CA look like they don't have any rainbow flags flying.

What better way to do that than to allow them to hang their signs? That way, you know EXACTLY who you are doing business with. Forcing people never has worked and never will work, obviously.

The force of the law worked just fine, it's why ******* can now check into whatever hotels they like, as long as they can pay the tab.

I don't know what ****** is. Lol. But no, it doesn't work obviously. That is why this is happening now. You cannot change the way people think and feel by making laws. People change because they become educated in the things they don't understand. Making laws that force them only makes them angry, and then we have this right here.

Isn't that the purpose for laws? If everybody wanted to do it anyway, there would be no need for any laws.

Businesses that refuse to cater to homosexuals, or anyone with MONEY, are going to be a HUGE minority in today's day and age.

ROFL! I hardly think so. The are less than 2% of the population, and they don't reproduce.

 

[bodecea]

What better way to do that than to allow them to hang their signs? That way, you know EXACTLY who you are doing business with. Forcing people never has worked and never will work, obviously.

The force of the law worked just fine, it's why ******* can now check into whatever hotels they like, as long as they can pay the tab.

I don't know what ****** is. Lol. But no, it doesn't work obviously. That is why this is happening now. You cannot change the way people think and feel by making laws. People change because they become educated in the things they don't understand. Making laws that force them only makes them angry, and then we have this right here.

Isn't that the purpose for laws? If everybody wanted to do it anyway, there would be no need for any laws.

Businesses that refuse to cater to homosexuals, or anyone with MONEY, are going to be a HUGE minority in today's day and age.

ROFL! I hardly think so. The are less than 2% of the population, and they don't reproduce.

Hmmm...our children disagree.

 

[bripat9643]

What better way to do that than to allow them to hang their signs? That way, you know EXACTLY who you are doing business with. Forcing people never has worked and never will work, obviously.

The force of the law worked just fine, it's why ******* can now check into whatever hotels they like, as long as they can pay the tab.

I don't know what ****** is. Lol. But no, it doesn't work obviously. That is why this is happening now. You cannot change the way people think and feel by making laws. People change because they become educated in the things they don't understand. Making laws that force them only makes them angry, and then we have this right here.

******* = Blacks, and I don't give a damn what the bigots think or feel. The force of law works, well. That is why blacks can now stay at any hotel they like.

Why can't you just say "blacks" or "African Americans" or something?

And no, black people were still discriminated against. Martin Luther King's peaceful protests are what more than likely changed a LOT of hearts and minds anyways. Laws do not change the way people FEEL.

Nobody can enforce what somebody feels. You can, however, use the law to make them behave fairly.

That isn't a legitimate purpose of law.

 

[bripat9643]

The force of the law worked just fine, it's why ******* can now check into whatever hotels they like, as long as they can pay the tab.

I don't know what ****** is. Lol. But no, it doesn't work obviously. That is why this is happening now. You cannot change the way people think and feel by making laws. People change because they become educated in the things they don't understand. Making laws that force them only makes them angry, and then we have this right here.

Isn't that the purpose for laws? If everybody wanted to do it anyway, there would be no need for any laws.

Businesses that refuse to cater to homosexuals, or anyone with MONEY, are going to be a HUGE minority in today's day and age.

ROFL! I hardly think so. The are less than 2% of the population, and they don't reproduce.

Hmmm...our children disagree.

You're children were fathered by a man, not your "partner." You're kids are going to be heterosexual unless you **** them up.

I realize you keep brining up your "family" because you're trying to get me banned. That only shows what a sleazy operator you are. You aren't showering the homosexual agenda with glory. You're an embarrassment to it.

 

[Geaux4it]

We've already tried letting the market work this out. It didn't do so well.

Examples?

Sorry, but that does not prove your claim at all. Those businesses could have very well gone OUT of business for posting such signs, and that looks VERY old, back from a time when people were a lot more ignorant than we are today.

The reason why you don't see many of those signs today is because in a normal routine that is banned, by law. The reason for that is because of what was done in the past, like that.

I believe in letting capitalism take care of them. They will lose business, and their businesses will suffer. Other businesses that are willing to do business with homosexuals will make more money and be more successful in the long term. No need for government to interfere in how a person decides to run a business.

Personally, I would serve gays if I had a business. No problem.

However, I also have no problem if a business owner chooses not too.

its all good

-Geaux

 

[Treeshepherd]

So why are they wasting so much time trying to deny rights? We all know how it is going to turn out in the long run anyway.

They're protecting 1st amendment rights if you look at it from the other side.

I don't know if the following applies to anything;
While I was in college I worked in a garden shop. I worked with two openly gay co-workers. One of them I got along with just fine, and the other one creeped me out. But, it wasn't my business and I had to try to get along with both of them as well as I could.
I worked there for a year and then I started a landscaping business while I was still in college. A guy hired me to take care of his yard and when I went to get paid he revealed to me that he was gay and he enjoyed watching me work. I didn't want to work for a dude that was checking out my ass so I never called him back or answered his calls. That was my right because it was my business.

 

[Treeshepherd]

Personally, I would serve gays if I had a business. No problem.

However, I also have no problem if a business owner chooses not too.

its all good

It is all good.

If on moral grounds a lesbian photographer doesn't want to work a Catholic wedding, she shouldn't have to either. I think that's the main point Pence was trying to make over the weekend; freedom is a two way street.

 

[Vigilante]

As usual, RUSH has hit another out of the park on this subversive bullshit...

The Left Repeats "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" Tactic on the State of Indiana
March 30, 2015


RUSH: I want to go to Indiana and discuss this supposedly controversial Indiana religious freedom law. It's made to order for the modern-day Drive-By Media. On Saturday and Sunday, ABC, CBS, NBC -- virtually every mainstream media organization -- condemned a new law in Indiana that would protect private businesses from government infringement on their religious freedom. What this means is that the Obama administration wants to do away -- and the media is assisting -- with the whole notion of free markets, the Constitution, and the freedom of religion clause.

The administration wants the power to mandate everything as much as they can. Now, the news organizations -- ABC, CBS, NBC, and all the others -- just had a collective cow over this. And rather than provide any kind of balance, rather than explain the history and the context and the true meaning and detail of the Indiana law, they predictably began to trash the legislation and Indianans as a bunch of bigots opening the door to discrimination against gays and lesbians.


Even the CEO of Apple, Inc., Tim Cook took to the pages of the Washington Post and wrote an editorial condemning this kind of legislation -- not just in Indiana, but wherever it might be -- and making it out to be example of the worst instincts among us that we have here discriminating against people, and it's so un-American and so forth. Mr. Snerdley me asked me today, "When's the last time Tim Cook wrote an op-ed in the Shanghai Daily News ripping the ChiComs?"

I mean, the ChiComs impinge on everybody's freedom, particularly religious freedom in China. Of course it's a major, major Apple market. I happened to think about it when Snerdley asked me the question. I can't think of the time when an Apple executive... All I can think of when it comes to ChiComs is Google caving to the ChiComs on what kind of search results will not be seen and produced by Google when Chinese citizens are searching.

But what is fascinating about this, and it's becoming an even more prevalent reality. On the one hand, on any issue, we have the reality. We have facts, we have history, we have context, we have truth. On the other hand, we have the absence of all of that, the misrepresentation of the facts, misrepresentation of the truth, misrepresentation of the context. In addition to that, then the media is hyping it all with a bunch of emotional propaganda that is designed specifically to misinform people bunch of about what has happened, particularly this case, this law in Indiana.

It's like everybody's forgotten the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling. It's like it never happened! Does anybody remember this, or the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, which the Supreme Court upheld last year in the Hobby Lobby case? Everybody's acting like that's not the law of the land. The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 was introduced by Chuck Schumer (Democrat-New York) on March 11, 1993; it was passed by a unanimous House of Representatives and a near unanimous Senate.....

The Left Repeats Hands Up Don t Shoot Tactic on the State of Indiana - The Rush Limbaugh Show

 

[NYcarbineer]

As usual, RUSH has hit another out of the park on this subversive bullshit...

The Left Repeats "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" Tactic on the State of Indiana
March 30, 2015


RUSH: I want to go to Indiana and discuss this supposedly controversial Indiana religious freedom law. It's made to order for the modern-day Drive-By Media. On Saturday and Sunday, ABC, CBS, NBC -- virtually every mainstream media organization -- condemned a new law in Indiana that would protect private businesses from government infringement on their religious freedom. What this means is that the Obama administration wants to do away -- and the media is assisting -- with the whole notion of free markets, the Constitution, and the freedom of religion clause.

The administration wants the power to mandate everything as much as they can. Now, the news organizations -- ABC, CBS, NBC, and all the others -- just had a collective cow over this. And rather than provide any kind of balance, rather than explain the history and the context and the true meaning and detail of the Indiana law, they predictably began to trash the legislation and Indianans as a bunch of bigots opening the door to discrimination against gays and lesbians.


Even the CEO of Apple, Inc., Tim Cook took to the pages of the Washington Post and wrote an editorial condemning this kind of legislation -- not just in Indiana, but wherever it might be -- and making it out to be example of the worst instincts among us that we have here discriminating against people, and it's so un-American and so forth. Mr. Snerdley me asked me today, "When's the last time Tim Cook wrote an op-ed in the Shanghai Daily News ripping the ChiComs?"

I mean, the ChiComs impinge on everybody's freedom, particularly religious freedom in China. Of course it's a major, major Apple market. I happened to think about it when Snerdley asked me the question. I can't think of the time when an Apple executive... All I can think of when it comes to ChiComs is Google caving to the ChiComs on what kind of search results will not be seen and produced by Google when Chinese citizens are searching.

But what is fascinating about this, and it's becoming an even more prevalent reality. On the one hand, on any issue, we have the reality. We have facts, we have history, we have context, we have truth. On the other hand, we have the absence of all of that, the misrepresentation of the facts, misrepresentation of the truth, misrepresentation of the context. In addition to that, then the media is hyping it all with a bunch of emotional propaganda that is designed specifically to misinform people bunch of about what has happened, particularly this case, this law in Indiana.

It's like everybody's forgotten the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling. It's like it never happened! Does anybody remember this, or the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, which the Supreme Court upheld last year in the Hobby Lobby case? Everybody's acting like that's not the law of the land. The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 was introduced by Chuck Schumer (Democrat-New York) on March 11, 1993; it was passed by a unanimous House of Representatives and a near unanimous Senate.....

The Left Repeats Hands Up Don t Shoot Tactic on the State of Indiana - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Are you sure the Supreme Court got the Hobby Lobby ruling right?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Examples?

Sorry, but that does not prove your claim at all. Those businesses could have very well gone OUT of business for posting such signs, and that looks VERY old, back from a time when people were a lot more ignorant than we are today.

The reason why you don't see many of those signs today is because in a normal routine that is banned, by law. The reason for that is because of what was done in the past, like that.

I believe in letting capitalism take care of them. They will lose business, and their businesses will suffer. Other businesses that are willing to do business with homosexuals will make more money and be more successful in the long term. No need for government to interfere in how a person decides to run a business.

Personally, I would serve gays if I had a business. No problem.

However, I also have no problem if a business owner chooses not too.

its all good

-Geaux

Then why have ANY anti-discrimination laws at all? Do you support ANY of them?

 

[guno]

Boycott these 5 common products made in Indiana

Boycott these 5 common products made in Indiana

 

[Geaux4it]

Boycott these 5 common products made in Indiana

Boycott these 5 common products made in Indiana

Why should we do that?

-Geaux

 

[NYcarbineer]

Boycott Indiana? Move the NCAA Finals? I've never seen such hysteria over so little. The bill actually protects freedom of choice. If a photographer doesn't want to work a gay wedding, he can't be forced to by the government. I don't have a problem with that. And if you're getting gay married, why would you want an anti-gay photographer working it in the first place? Wouldn't you rather hire Bruce's Gleeful Photo?

Then what will happen if a muslim taxi driver who won't allow a woman in his car or someone who is drunk? Or muslim baker who won't bake a cake for a white christian?

Or a muslim who is the only doctor who can treat your cancer and refuses to treat you because you're a christian?

The law in Indiana allows the above to happen.

then the muslim taxi driver will lose business or else his job with the cab company...
the muslim baker will lose a lot of christian/other business...if he only bakes cakes for muslims...
a muslim doctor will lose his job at the hospital or else the christian will seek out a christian doctor/hospital...

a free market will sort things out...

The courts ruled against the Muslim cab drivers who tried to refuse fares with alcohol or dogs.

 

[Vigilante]

As usual, RUSH has hit another out of the park on this subversive bullshit...

The Left Repeats "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" Tactic on the State of Indiana
March 30, 2015


RUSH: I want to go to Indiana and discuss this supposedly controversial Indiana religious freedom law. It's made to order for the modern-day Drive-By Media. On Saturday and Sunday, ABC, CBS, NBC -- virtually every mainstream media organization -- condemned a new law in Indiana that would protect private businesses from government infringement on their religious freedom. What this means is that the Obama administration wants to do away -- and the media is assisting -- with the whole notion of free markets, the Constitution, and the freedom of religion clause.

The administration wants the power to mandate everything as much as they can. Now, the news organizations -- ABC, CBS, NBC, and all the others -- just had a collective cow over this. And rather than provide any kind of balance, rather than explain the history and the context and the true meaning and detail of the Indiana law, they predictably began to trash the legislation and Indianans as a bunch of bigots opening the door to discrimination against gays and lesbians.


Even the CEO of Apple, Inc., Tim Cook took to the pages of the Washington Post and wrote an editorial condemning this kind of legislation -- not just in Indiana, but wherever it might be -- and making it out to be example of the worst instincts among us that we have here discriminating against people, and it's so un-American and so forth. Mr. Snerdley me asked me today, "When's the last time Tim Cook wrote an op-ed in the Shanghai Daily News ripping the ChiComs?"

I mean, the ChiComs impinge on everybody's freedom, particularly religious freedom in China. Of course it's a major, major Apple market. I happened to think about it when Snerdley asked me the question. I can't think of the time when an Apple executive... All I can think of when it comes to ChiComs is Google caving to the ChiComs on what kind of search results will not be seen and produced by Google when Chinese citizens are searching.

But what is fascinating about this, and it's becoming an even more prevalent reality. On the one hand, on any issue, we have the reality. We have facts, we have history, we have context, we have truth. On the other hand, we have the absence of all of that, the misrepresentation of the facts, misrepresentation of the truth, misrepresentation of the context. In addition to that, then the media is hyping it all with a bunch of emotional propaganda that is designed specifically to misinform people bunch of about what has happened, particularly this case, this law in Indiana.

It's like everybody's forgotten the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling. It's like it never happened! Does anybody remember this, or the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, which the Supreme Court upheld last year in the Hobby Lobby case? Everybody's acting like that's not the law of the land. The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 was introduced by Chuck Schumer (Democrat-New York) on March 11, 1993; it was passed by a unanimous House of Representatives and a near unanimous Senate.....

The Left Repeats Hands Up Don t Shoot Tactic on the State of Indiana - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Are you sure the Supreme Court got the Hobby Lobby ruling right?

Doesn't matter, as with ROE, it's the law.... you can fight it all you want, maybe queers can overturn it, like good people for the last 40+ years trying to overturn ROE!

 

[Geaux4it]

Sorry, but that does not prove your claim at all. Those businesses could have very well gone OUT of business for posting such signs, and that looks VERY old, back from a time when people were a lot more ignorant than we are today.

The reason why you don't see many of those signs today is because in a normal routine that is banned, by law. The reason for that is because of what was done in the past, like that.

I believe in letting capitalism take care of them. They will lose business, and their businesses will suffer. Other businesses that are willing to do business with homosexuals will make more money and be more successful in the long term. No need for government to interfere in how a person decides to run a business.

Personally, I would serve gays if I had a business. No problem.

However, I also have no problem if a business owner chooses not too.

its all good

-Geaux

Then why have ANY anti-discrimination laws at all? Do you support ANY of them?

In what context?

-Geaux

 

[NYcarbineer]

The California Constitution guarantees religious freedom - perhaps you all need to attack Jerry Brown:


CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS


SEC. 4. Free exercise and enjoyment of religion without
discrimination or preference are guaranteed. This liberty of
conscience does not excuse acts that are licentious or inconsistent
with the peace or safety of the State. The Legislature shall make no
law respecting an establishment of religion.
A person is not incompetent to be a witness or juror because of
his or her opinions on religious beliefs.

WAIS Document Retrieval

Gays are protected from discrimination in California.

 

[NYcarbineer]

As usual, RUSH has hit another out of the park on this subversive bullshit...

The Left Repeats "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" Tactic on the State of Indiana
March 30, 2015


RUSH: I want to go to Indiana and discuss this supposedly controversial Indiana religious freedom law. It's made to order for the modern-day Drive-By Media. On Saturday and Sunday, ABC, CBS, NBC -- virtually every mainstream media organization -- condemned a new law in Indiana that would protect private businesses from government infringement on their religious freedom. What this means is that the Obama administration wants to do away -- and the media is assisting -- with the whole notion of free markets, the Constitution, and the freedom of religion clause.

The administration wants the power to mandate everything as much as they can. Now, the news organizations -- ABC, CBS, NBC, and all the others -- just had a collective cow over this. And rather than provide any kind of balance, rather than explain the history and the context and the true meaning and detail of the Indiana law, they predictably began to trash the legislation and Indianans as a bunch of bigots opening the door to discrimination against gays and lesbians.


Even the CEO of Apple, Inc., Tim Cook took to the pages of the Washington Post and wrote an editorial condemning this kind of legislation -- not just in Indiana, but wherever it might be -- and making it out to be example of the worst instincts among us that we have here discriminating against people, and it's so un-American and so forth. Mr. Snerdley me asked me today, "When's the last time Tim Cook wrote an op-ed in the Shanghai Daily News ripping the ChiComs?"

I mean, the ChiComs impinge on everybody's freedom, particularly religious freedom in China. Of course it's a major, major Apple market. I happened to think about it when Snerdley asked me the question. I can't think of the time when an Apple executive... All I can think of when it comes to ChiComs is Google caving to the ChiComs on what kind of search results will not be seen and produced by Google when Chinese citizens are searching.

But what is fascinating about this, and it's becoming an even more prevalent reality. On the one hand, on any issue, we have the reality. We have facts, we have history, we have context, we have truth. On the other hand, we have the absence of all of that, the misrepresentation of the facts, misrepresentation of the truth, misrepresentation of the context. In addition to that, then the media is hyping it all with a bunch of emotional propaganda that is designed specifically to misinform people bunch of about what has happened, particularly this case, this law in Indiana.

It's like everybody's forgotten the Supreme Court's Hobby Lobby ruling. It's like it never happened! Does anybody remember this, or the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993, which the Supreme Court upheld last year in the Hobby Lobby case? Everybody's acting like that's not the law of the land. The Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 was introduced by Chuck Schumer (Democrat-New York) on March 11, 1993; it was passed by a unanimous House of Representatives and a near unanimous Senate.....

The Left Repeats Hands Up Don t Shoot Tactic on the State of Indiana - The Rush Limbaugh Show

Are you sure the Supreme Court got the Hobby Lobby ruling right?

Doesn't matter, as with ROE, it's the law.... you can fight it all you want, maybe queers can overturn it, like good people for the last 40+ years trying to overturn ROE!

lol, there go the pro-lifers, under the bus!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Vigilante]

Perhaps it's time to BOYCOTT THE BOYCOTTERS.... send them e-mails, and tweet it! It worked for Chick-Fil-A ...... Hundreds of thousand of DECENT people can make the difference.... There are only 3% queers in the country, plus their subversive friends, there are more than half the population that have the potential of having their FREEDOM taken away!