Zone1 In what ways is antisemitism “cloaked” as being against “just” Israel?

[Winston]

Ah yes, another morning on USMB, another whining post from our local Jewish propaganda artist. Because make no mistake about it, Zionist use charges of anti-semitism like a damn shield, or a force field, to rationalize their own behavior. I mean we can start with the claimed definition of anti-Semitism.

The Working Definition of Antisemitism

The Working Definition is a clear and compact description of antisemitism in its various forms, including Holocaust denial, prejudices against Jews, and the denial of Israel’s right to exist.

www.ajc.org

There is it, the "official" definition. Let's use it to point out the flaws. For instance,

• Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Can that happen? Of course it can. Can you say Pollard? But under the "official" definition of anti-Semitism, you can't even accuse someone of it. How does that make sense? And of course, this one.

• Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.

Rather ironic that they are talking about self-determination but we won't get into that. The Jewish people, like all people, have a right to self-determination. No one will argue that fact. But here, they start to expand a bit,

Anti-Zionism is opposition to Jews having a Jewish state in their ancestral homeland, and denies the Jewish people’s right to self-determination. The belief that the Jews, alone among the people of the world, do not have a right to self-determination — or that the Jewish people’s religious and historical connection to Israel is invalid — is inherently bigoted

Anti-Zionism and Antisemitism

High schools and colleges across the country have seen concerning increases in anti-Zionist activity in recent years. This resource delves into the nuances and complexities surrounding anti-Zionism, and why these activities may be antisemitic.

www.ajc.org

"In their ancestral homeland", WTF, who threw that in there. You mean races have inherent rights to ancestral homeland? Well the hell with Greenland, they can turn Denmark over to me tomorrow. Wife can claim Scotland on the way. And of course, we can always come home to Catawba territory.

And quite honestly, historical connection is not invalid, beg the question much? Where is the proof? The Torah? Sorry, doesn't work any better for the Koran or the Bible.

 

[1srelluc]

That’s because you don’t have to hide being a Jew for fear of being assaulted, and need bomb-sniffing dogs at Jewish events.

But your non-contribution is noted.

Meh, in my AO I could walk around wearing a Menorah on my head and nobody would care other than thinking it was weird headgear.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Honest people admit that the extreme and one-sided hatred against the Jewish state is often - I’d argue almost always - driven by antisemitism, and is a way Jew-haters think they can get away with smearing Jews. They always say, “I’m not against all Jews.,…just the ones who support Israel.” The following are examples of how condemnation against Israel reveals - or worse, advances! - antisemitism:

1. Punishing ALL Jews for Israel’s actions. For example, marching around schools chanting “Death to Jews!,” setting up No Jew Zones, or not allowing a Jewish student to serve on the student body unless she denounces Israel.

2. Using coded language as a substitute or dog whistle for Jews. Saying “Zionist” instead of Jew, when they are almost the identical thing given that almost 90% of Jews support Israel’s right to exist.

3. Using steroetypes or Hitler as part of the criticism. Saying that “Zionists” own Congress or that Israelis are like Nazis.

4. Denying the Jewish people the same rights that other ethnic groups have or aspire to. Calling for the abolishment of Israel or telling Jews they should leave the country and return to Europe, where 2/3rds of Jews were murdered.

5. Describing the Israeli people as uniquely evil by spreading lies and conspiracy theories. Saying that Israelis enjoy killing children or that they are deliberately killing innocent civilians.

6. I will add one more of my own: Double standards where it applies to Israel. Engaging in nationwide protests to “free the Palestinians” and having virtually none to free the Iranians, being killed by the tens of thousands by Islamic savages.

Criticism of Israel vs. Antisemitism - Jewish Community Relations Council

JCRC Bay Area is the largest collective voice of the Jewish community across San Francisco, the Peninsula, Marin, Sonoma, Napa, Alameda and Contra Costa Counties.

jcrc.org

Remember kids, Zionists reject the basic teaching of Judaism that Hashem is in charge.

They believe they can override the will of the Creator and take the Holy Land by force

 

[JoeB131]

I just wrote out that it is NOT Israeli policy which makes it antisemitic! It is the examples in the OP.

And it’s not widespread that leftists are calling to genocide the Jews? Good way to downplay a Holocaust-era chant, being sung from the East to the West Coast. And college administrators refused to condemn it?!

Um, yeah, it's called "Free Speech".

I am reminded of when I was growing up, and a bunch of Nazi Cosplayers led by a self-loathing Jew named Frank Cohn wanted to march in Marquette Park (which at the time, was undergoing integration). The city of Chicago refused to grant them a permit.

Well, when they threatened to march in Skokie, the ACLU got involved, and they won their case. Then, Chicago granted them a permit to march in Chicago so they wouldn't march in Skokie to upset the Jews.

Eventually.
Cohn got caught doing kiddie porn in the Nazi Clubhouse and went to prison.
Marquette Park is now a slum.
But the issue of free speech was protected.

Good way to show how leftist downplay virulent antisemitism, while screaming about the slightest perception of something that could be interpreted as racist.

The problem is you scream about the outliers to avoid serious discussion about the issue people are upset about.

- Aunt Jemima logo? That’s racist! Get those bottles off the shelf or we will bankrupt the company!

- Calls of “Death to Jews!” on college campuses? Oh well, it’s not widespread.

Lisa really misses those racist Pancakes. It was the only time she could see a black person and not be scared.

It took 130 years to get Pearl Milling/Quaker Oats/PepsiCo to stop using a racist caricature.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Hey, funny thing.

The governor of my state is a Jew.

well how surprising of you to even notice that...you probably even have one as a friend eh?

I voted for him in the last two elections and will probably vote for him again in November

TRANSLATION: "He's got his mind right"

(although I'm not thrilled with how he did my Congressman Dirty in the primary)

TRANSLATION: "but like every jew I ever knew...well you know the rest"

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Honest people admit that the extreme and one-sided hatred against the Jewish state is often - I’d argue almost always - driven by antisemitism, and is a way Jew-haters think they can get away with smearing Jews. They always say, “I’m not against all Jews.,…just the ones who support Israel.” The following are examples of how condemnation against Israel reveals - or worse, advances! - antisemitism:

1. Punishing ALL Jews for Israel’s actions. For example, marching around schools chanting “Death to Jews!,” setting up No Jew Zones, or not allowing a Jewish student to serve on the student body unless she denounces Israel.

2. Using coded language as a substitute or dog whistle for Jews. Saying “Zionist” instead of Jew, when they are almost the identical thing given that almost 90% of Jews support Israel’s right to exist.

3. Using steroetypes or Hitler as part of the criticism. Saying that “Zionists” own Congress or that Israelis are like Nazis.

4. Denying the Jewish people the same rights that other ethnic groups have or aspire to. Calling for the abolishment of Israel or telling Jews they should leave the country and return to Europe, where 2/3rds of Jews were murdered.

5. Describing the Israeli people as uniquely evil by spreading lies and conspiracy theories. Saying that Israelis enjoy killing children or that they are deliberately killing innocent civilians.

6. I will add one more of my own: Double standards where it applies to Israel. Engaging in nationwide protests to “free the Palestinians” and having virtually none to free the Iranians, being killed by the tens of thousands by Islamic savages.

Criticism of Israel vs. Antisemitism - Jewish Community Relations Council

JCRC Bay Area is the largest collective voice of the Jewish community across San Francisco, the Peninsula, Marin, Sonoma, Napa, Alameda and Contra Costa Counties.

jcrc.org

How much longer can you engage in this insanity?

Tens of thousands of Palestinian women and children killed by the IDF… and you’re doing what you’re doing. … sensationalizing “antisemitism”. I’ve seen you call fellow Trump supporters antisemites with absolutely no evidence. Most Trump supporters that criticize the israeli government including people like Tucker Carlson have publicly said they like Israel. You are making things up as you go. Most of these people are also against the IRGC. So you are simply making up your points basically inventing them.

I hope you get the help you need. Your actions and those of people like Netanyahu and Ben Shapiro are hurting Israel. By going around constantly complaining about anti-Jewish racism in the face of the heinous war in Gaza, which even Jewish journalist say is the worst genocide in recent history.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

The problem is you scream about the outliers to avoid serious discussion about the issue people are upset about.

TRANSLATION: "You are infringing on white liberal domain, go get your own faux compassion farce to run"

 

[Lisa558]

Remember kids, Zionists reject the basic teaching of Judaism that Hashem is in charge.

They believe they can override the will of the Creator and take the Holy Land by force

Whoever you are, imposter, that isn’t true.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

How much longer can you engage in this insanity?

Tens of thousands of Palestinian women and children killed by the IDF… and you’re doing what you’re doing. … sensationalizing “antisemitism”. I’ve seen you call fellow Trump supporters antisemites with absolutely no evidence. Most Trump supporters that criticize the israeli government including people like Tucker Carlson have publicly said they like Israel. You are making things up as you go. Most of these people are also against the IRGC. So you are simply making up your points basically inventing them.

I hope you get the help you need. Your actions and those of people like Netanyahu and Ben Shapiro are hurting Israel. By going around constantly complaining about anti-Jewish racism in the face of the heinous war in Gaza, which even Jewish journalist say is the worst genocide in recent history.

The Neanderthal Didn't Die Out; They Were Killed Off

The thrill-killing subhuman Paleonasties deserve to be either exterminated or removed to the insane Berber countries. Enough is enough.

These humanoids are just like America's own Native Siberian savages. The Preppy Progressives champion both; at least they're consistent. Rightists who oppose feral American races but don't identify with the Israelis' plight are taking messages from the guillotine-fodder WASPs, the sponsors of all historical American antisemitism.

 

[eagle1462010]

The world today reminds me of a movie.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Two obvious flags:

The campaign to peddle US isolationism as some sort of patriotic conservative platform, and espousing policies that lead directly to the genocide of Israelis. They two are connected, of course. All the rest are just assorted covers for these two.

 

[JoeB131]

Two obvious flags:

The campaign to peddle US isolationism as some sort of patriotic conservative platform, and espousing policies that lead directly to the genocide of Israelis. They two are connected, of course. All the rest are just assorted covers for these two.

Um, that's what Trump did in 2016, 2020, and 2024, promoted isolationism and removing the US from the international order on everything from Trade to Military cooperation.

Until his Jewish Puppetmasters decided they needed him to take out Iran, something American Presidents refused to get involved in for 47 years.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Um, that's what Trump did in 2016, 2020, and 2024, promoted isolationism and removing the US from the international order on everything from Trade to Military cooperation.

Until his Jewish Puppetmasters decided they needed him to take out Iran, something American Presidents refused to get involved in for 47 years.

Watch out for those magic pocket watches them Joos carry. They use them to hypnotize unwary goyim like you.

 

[JoeB131]

well how surprising of you to even notice that...you probably even have one as a friend eh?

How can i not notice that? As an aside, I served with his cousin in the IL ARNG. So, yeah, I know the Pritzker family are all Jews. But he's done a reasonably good job as governor, so I'll probably vote for him again.

I might even vote for him for President, if he's the nominee (although he wouldn't be my first pick.)

TRANSLATION: "but like every jew I ever knew...well you know the rest"

Well, no, the problem is you can't scream racism every time you criticize a minority, and you can't scream anti-Semitism every time you criticize a Jew.

Now, the problem with what Pritzker did in the primary is that we had a very accomplished Congressman, Raja Krishnamoorthi, running for Senate. His opponent was Pritzker's Lt. Governor, a complete empty pantsuit who no one noticed for 8 years.

But Pritzker pulled out all the stops to get her nominated. Worse, Raja was a rising star in an ethnicity the Democrats really need to grow. But he decided he'd rather throw his weight around and have a stooge in that position.

 

[Lisa558]

Um, that's what Trump did in 2016, 2020, and 2024, promoted isolationism and removing the US from the international order on everything from Trade to Military cooperation.

Until his Jewish Puppetmasters decided they needed him to take out Iran, something American Presidents refused to get involved in for 47 years.

Why are antisemites allowed to spread their venom on this site? The insistence that it’s only opposition to Israel and nothing to do with contempt for Jews is revealed every time someone posts crap like this.

“Jewish Puppetmasters”? I thought the hate for the little Jewish state was unrelated to antisemitism.

 

[JoeB131]

Watch out for those magic pocket watches them Joos carry. They use them to hypnotize unwary goyim like you.

More like their pocketbooks, to hypnotize politicians with shitloads of money.

I hope you enjoy paying $5.00 a gallon for gas because of a war that was completely unnecessary.

 

[luiza]

, “I’m not against all Jews.,…just the ones who support Israel.”

Well , well .

The usual deceit and deception of claiming that other people's feelings and thoughts are wrong simply because they are at odds with the propaganda narrative.

Most of the people that speak out against Israel are those that despise the Elite who are Chabad Fundamentalists and through International Banking represent the greater part of the Deep State .

But perhaps you are yourself a Deep State fan and like the idea of controlling the Sheeple and ridding the world of us -- the Goyim .

Somehow that idea seems crackpot and decidedly one sided .

 

[hadit]

Honest people admit that the extreme and one-sided hatred against the Jewish state is often - I’d argue almost always - driven by antisemitism, and is a way Jew-haters think they can get away with smearing Jews. They always say, “I’m not against all Jews.,…just the ones who support Israel.” The following are examples of how condemnation against Israel reveals - or worse, advances! - antisemitism:

1. Punishing ALL Jews for Israel’s actions. For example, marching around schools chanting “Death to Jews!,” setting up No Jew Zones, or not allowing a Jewish student to serve on the student body unless she denounces Israel.

2. Using coded language as a substitute or dog whistle for Jews. Saying “Zionist” instead of Jew, when they are almost the identical thing given that almost 90% of Jews support Israel’s right to exist.

3. Using steroetypes or Hitler as part of the criticism. Saying that “Zionists” own Congress or that Israelis are like Nazis.

4. Denying the Jewish people the same rights that other ethnic groups have or aspire to. Calling for the abolishment of Israel or telling Jews they should leave the country and return to Europe, where 2/3rds of Jews were murdered.

5. Describing the Israeli people as uniquely evil by spreading lies and conspiracy theories. Saying that Israelis enjoy killing children or that they are deliberately killing innocent civilians.

6. I will add one more of my own: Double standards where it applies to Israel. Engaging in nationwide protests to “free the Palestinians” and having virtually none to free the Iranians, being killed by the tens of thousands by Islamic savages.

Criticism of Israel vs. Antisemitism - Jewish Community Relations Council

JCRC Bay Area is the largest collective voice of the Jewish community across San Francisco, the Peninsula, Marin, Sonoma, Napa, Alameda and Contra Costa Counties.

jcrc.org

Those who like to claim they only oppose the Jewish state are often found claiming Jews run the whole world and are to blame for the evil that befalls mankind.

 

[JoeB131]

Why are antisemites allowed to spread their venom on this site? The insistence that it’s only opposition to Israel and nothing to do with contempt for Jews is revealed every time someone posts crap like this.

“Jewish Puppetmasters”? I thought the hate for the little Jewish state was unrelated to antisemitism.

You can't insist on Israel being a "Jewish" (Apartheid) state and then say, "But you can't criticize Jews".

While the influence AIPAC has on our government is close to treason, Presidents before Trump (and Trump in his first term) had the good sense to NOT start a war with Iran, because we are getting EXACTLY this result.

Certainly not because the Jews haven't been advocating for it.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Well , well .

The usual deceit and deception of claiming that other people's feelings and thoughts are wrong simply because they are at odds with the propaganda narrative.

Most of the people that speak out against Israel are those that despise the Elite who are Chabad Fundamentalists and through International Banking represent the greater part of the Deep State .

But perhaps you are yourself a Deep State fan and like the idea of controlling the Sheeple and ridding the world of us -- the Goyim .

Somehow that idea seems crackpot and decidedly one sided .

Name a Haredi banker.

In other news, the Haredi are indeed involved in banking, just not in the way you fantasize about ...

Haredi battle on bank statements

Haredi Members of Knesset oppose a new Banking Supervision initiative that would move all bank correspondence to a digital format.

www.israelnationalnews.com

Israel’s Haredi Leaders Say Digital Bank Plan Risks Cutting Off Hundreds of Thousands of Ultra Orthodox Jews | VINnews

vinnews.com

They aren't exactly fond of bankers.

Sucks to be ooze, who pretty much fails at even looking up the basics of any topic.