In summary...

[LaDexter]

1. climate change is a science, not a theory
2. Global Warming is a fraudulent theory with precisely no evidence to support it
3. the amount of ice on Earth is dictated by the amount of land near the two Earth poles
4. the amount of ice on Earth dictates Earth's climate
5. CO2 has precisely nothing to do with Earth climate change

 

[The Great Goose]

Exactly. Ice cools things, not CO2.

 

[oldsoul]

1. climate change is a science, not a theory
2. Global Warming is a fraudulent theory with precisely no evidence to support it
3. the amount of ice on Earth is dictated by the amount of land near the two Earth poles
4. the amount of ice on Earth dictates Earth's climate
5. CO2 has precisely nothing to do with Earth climate change

This should get...interesting....

 

[Boss]

Exactly. Ice cools things, not CO2.

Actually, CO2 does cool things. In it's solid form it is nicknamed "dry ice". But that's not really the point here. This entire "Climate Change" fiasco is a radical left-wing Socialist scheme to redistribute wealth. That's ALL it is, that's all it's EVER been.

They LIE about the science, they LIE about the statistics and they LIE about the so-called "consensus among scientists". They have an agenda to gain public support based on these LIES so they can implement government confiscation of wealth.

 

[irosie91]

Exactly. Ice cools things, not CO2.

wrong------for picnics-----FROZEN CO2 is indispensable. It comes in handy blue plastic paks. --------good for fake smoke too

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL

So what we have here is a fruit loopy anonymous poster on a message board claiming that he knows more than all the scientists on this planet. As for #'s 1 and two;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

The American Institute of Physics is the largest Scientific Society on this planet. And it and every other Scientific Society, as well as all the National Academies of Science and the major Universities state that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.

The amount of land at the poles is a factor in the ice ages, but more important factors are the GHGs in the atmosphere and the Milankovic Cycles. There have been vast geological periods when there was land covering the South Pole, and there was no continental ice sheets there.

The two primary drivers of climate are the amount of energy the sun recieves from the sun, and the amount it retains. The latter is controlled by the Earth's albedo, and the amount of GHGs in the atmosphere. Land distribution, Milankovic Cycles, effect the distribution of the heat and cold on earth, but are not primary drivers.

CO2, being the primary GHG, not the strongest one, that is water vapor, but the primary one. CO2 controls the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. All the physicists state that.

 

[Old Rocks]

Exactly. Ice cools things, not CO2.

Actually, CO2 does cool things. In it's solid form it is nicknamed "dry ice". But that's not really the point here. This entire "Climate Change" fiasco is a radical left-wing Socialist scheme to redistribute wealth. That's ALL it is, that's all it's EVER been.

They LIE about the science, they LIE about the statistics and they LIE about the so-called "consensus among scientists". They have an agenda to gain public support based on these LIES so they can implement government confiscation of wealth.

Gee, Boss, you are as ignorant as the rest of these wingnuts. Just another fruitloop that understands zero science. Once again,
The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

 

[irosie91]

LOL

So what we have here is a fruit loopy anonymous poster on a message board claiming that he knows more than all the scientists on this planet. As for #'s 1 and two;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

The American Institute of Physics is the largest Scientific Society on this planet. And it and every other Scientific Society, as well as all the National Academies of Science and the major Universities state that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.

The amount of land at the poles is a factor in the ice ages, but more important factors are the GHGs in the atmosphere and the Milankovic Cycles. There have been vast geological periods when there was land covering the South Pole, and there was no continental ice sheets there.

The two primary drivers of climate are the amount of energy the sun recieves from the sun, and the amount it retains. The latter is controlled by the Earth's albedo, and the amount of GHGs in the atmosphere. Land distribution, Milankovic Cycles, effect the distribution of the heat and cold on earth, but are not primary drivers.

CO2, being the primary GHG, not the strongest one, that is water vapor, but the primary one. CO2 controls the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. All the physicists state that.

thanks for the brushup------for short----lots of details effect
the delicate balance of our little world

 

[Boss]

LOL

So what we have here is a fruit loopy anonymous poster on a message board claiming that he knows more than all the scientists on this planet. As for #'s 1 and two;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

The American Institute of Physics is the largest Scientific Society on this planet. And it and every other Scientific Society, as well as all the National Academies of Science and the major Universities state that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.

The amount of land at the poles is a factor in the ice ages, but more important factors are the GHGs in the atmosphere and the Milankovic Cycles. There have been vast geological periods when there was land covering the South Pole, and there was no continental ice sheets there.

The two primary drivers of climate are the amount of energy the sun recieves from the sun, and the amount it retains. The latter is controlled by the Earth's albedo, and the amount of GHGs in the atmosphere. Land distribution, Milankovic Cycles, effect the distribution of the heat and cold on earth, but are not primary drivers.

CO2, being the primary GHG, not the strongest one, that is water vapor, but the primary one. CO2 controls the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. All the physicists state that.

LIES!

Most people aren't climatologists or scientists. So whenever they read this impressive propaganda, they have no way of understanding whether it is right or wrong and many will assume, since lots of big fancy words and terminology is used, this must be correct. Even those who might be skeptical will go online to research and here's another two.. three.. four sources who seem to agree with the original propaganda. Suddenly, they get the emotive feeling that anything other than believing this is going to be thought of as dumb and they don't want to be dumb.... even though they actually are.

The Earth has been going through warming and cooling cycles for billions of years. It has been MUCH warmer and MUCH cooler for extended periods of time. All-in-all, Mother Nature is a pretty resilient old gal. Man can do really careless shit... like dumping millions of gallons of oil into her oceans, killing off massive numbers of fish and wildlife and destroying wetlands... and within 10-20 years, old Mother Nature has cleaned up the mess and moved on. She's pretty busy because humans can be very careless. She's constantly cleaning up our messes and we should all strive to be more careful... but she also has to clean up messes we don't have a thing to do with. Like when a volcano erupts and pours millions of metric tons of sulfur and ash into the atmosphere... tens of thousands of times more damaging than anything man could ever manage on his own.

IF humans converted EVERY smokestack industry in the world over from actually producing products to the goal of simply pumping out as much pollution as they could muster daily.... and they operated these plants 24/7/365 for 10,000 years, it would result in almost as much damaging pollution as the Mt. St. Helen eruption, which was relatively mild in terms of volcanic eruptions. That;s an example of how little man's effect is on the climate of Earth. Mother Nature would laugh this effort off in a couple of decades.

The worst thing man has ever done to the environment is nuclear testing. Since the 1940s, we've unleashed untold amounts of radioactive fallout into our atmosphere. Now Ol' Lady Nature has a bit of a problem cleaning this stuff up because it has such a long half-life. And... it's seriously deadly to all forms of life. Still, the old broad keeps on working while we sleep and eventually, she cleans it all up. We really owe her a lot of credit for the amazing and miraculous work she does on our behalf.

 

[Boss]

Gee, Boss, you are as ignorant as the rest of these wingnuts. Just another fruitloop that understands zero science. Once again,
The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

Gee, Old Rocks... maybe you need to discuss this with my former professors who gave me a 4.0 GPA in my science curriculum in college? I think it would come as a surprise to them that I am ignorant. They seemed to think I was pretty fucking smart.

I don't care about your propaganda links! As I said, there are thousands upon thousands of such links supporting your lies. It's a concerted effort on part of Socialists to confiscate wealth. They fully understand they have to dominate the internet with the lies and propaganda. That way, gullible little quislings such as yourself, who have no idea about science, can be led around by your nose ring.

 

[Boss]

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

FYI: American Institute of Physics is an organization formed in 1931 by our first Socialist President as part of the New Deal. It's specific purpose is to address science as it pertains to society and humanity... in other words, it's a propaganda mill for Socialists. It has no other function than to brainwash you with propaganda regarding the need for more government solutions to address problems by exploiting science.

It has spawned numerous other organizations, all with prestigious sounding names, in order to churn out Socialist propaganda in the name of science. Socialists are smart... they know that a public can be more easily controlled if they believe the propaganda. This is not a new concept that just started a few years ago, it's been going on for generations. And to their credit, due to ill-informed quislings such as yourself, it works!

 

[LaDexter]

There have been vast geological periods when there was land covering the South Pole, and there was no continental ice sheets there.

BULL


You cannot disprove anything I've posted. I can disprove what you post, like the laughable quote above...

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL

So what we have here is a fruit loopy anonymous poster on a message board claiming that he knows more than all the scientists on this planet. As for #'s 1 and two;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

The American Institute of Physics is the largest Scientific Society on this planet. And it and every other Scientific Society, as well as all the National Academies of Science and the major Universities state that AGW is real, and a clear and present danger.

The amount of land at the poles is a factor in the ice ages, but more important factors are the GHGs in the atmosphere and the Milankovic Cycles. There have been vast geological periods when there was land covering the South Pole, and there was no continental ice sheets there.

The two primary drivers of climate are the amount of energy the sun recieves from the sun, and the amount it retains. The latter is controlled by the Earth's albedo, and the amount of GHGs in the atmosphere. Land distribution, Milankovic Cycles, effect the distribution of the heat and cold on earth, but are not primary drivers.

CO2, being the primary GHG, not the strongest one, that is water vapor, but the primary one. CO2 controls the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. All the physicists state that.

LIES!

Most people aren't climatologists or scientists. So whenever they read this impressive propaganda, they have no way of understanding whether it is right or wrong and many will assume, since lots of big fancy words and terminology is used, this must be correct. Even those who might be skeptical will go online to research and here's another two.. three.. four sources who seem to agree with the original propaganda. Suddenly, they get the emotive feeling that anything other than believing this is going to be thought of as dumb and they don't want to be dumb.... even though they actually are.

The Earth has been going through warming and cooling cycles for billions of years. It has been MUCH warmer and MUCH cooler for extended periods of time. All-in-all, Mother Nature is a pretty resilient old gal. Man can do really careless shit... like dumping millions of gallons of oil into her oceans, killing off massive numbers of fish and wildlife and destroying wetlands... and within 10-20 years, old Mother Nature has cleaned up the mess and moved on. She's pretty busy because humans can be very careless. She's constantly cleaning up our messes and we should all strive to be more careful... but she also has to clean up messes we don't have a thing to do with. Like when a volcano erupts and pours millions of metric tons of sulfur and ash into the atmosphere... tens of thousands of times more damaging than anything man could ever manage on his own.

IF humans converted EVERY smokestack industry in the world over from actually producing products to the goal of simply pumping out as much pollution as they could muster daily.... and they operated these plants 24/7/365 for 10,000 years, it would result in almost as much damaging pollution as the Mt. St. Helen eruption, which was relatively mild in terms of volcanic eruptions. That;s an example of how little man's effect is on the climate of Earth. Mother Nature would laugh this effort off in a couple of decades.

The worst thing man has ever done to the environment is nuclear testing. Since the 1940s, we've unleashed untold amounts of radioactive fallout into our atmosphere. Now Ol' Lady Nature has a bit of a problem cleaning this stuff up because it has such a long half-life. And... it's seriously deadly to all forms of life. Still, the old broad keeps on working while we sleep and eventually, she cleans it all up. We really owe her a lot of credit for the amazing and miraculous work she does on our behalf.

Kind of stupid, there, old boy. First, the physicists are the people that measure things like the absorption spectra of CO2. Now if you have more than a grade school education in science, you would understand what that means.

As for your contention concerning the Mt. St. Helens eruption, you are totally full of shit. And, apparently, proud of it, or you would have researched that before sticking your foot into it.

Which produces more CO2, volcanic or human activity?

Gas studies at volcanoes worldwide have helped volcanologists tally up a global volcanic CO2 budget in the same way that nations around the globe have cooperated to determine how much CO2 is released by human activity through the burning of fossil fuels. Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2annually.

This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC)) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value.

A short time ago (geologically speaking) the question "Which produces more CO2, volcanic or human activity?" would have been answered differently. Volcanoes would have tipped the scale. Now, human presence, activity, and the resultant production of CO2, through the burning of fossil fuels, have all climbed at an ever-increasing rate. On the other hand, looking back through the comparatively short duration of human history, volcanic activity has, with a few notable disturbances, remained relatively steady.

 

[LaDexter]

It has been MUCH warmer and MUCH cooler for extended periods of time.

Correct - it has been much warmer when there were two polar oceans, and much colder when there were two polar continents.

The worst thing man has ever done to the environment is nuclear testing

While that's up there, the sheer dollars wasted on studying something completely not happening is worse. The Global Warming FRAUD has wasted about $2 trillion dollars to date doing nothing but spreading factless fear and misdiagnosing real envio issues, like the fires in California. The fires are not caused by warming, they are caused by humans taking too much fresh water from nature. The solution is desalination of ocean water, but the FRAUD blocks that by misdiagnosis and stealing all the environmental funds the taxpayer allocates.

 

[Old Rocks]

Gee, Boss, you are as ignorant as the rest of these wingnuts. Just another fruitloop that understands zero science. Once again,
The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

Gee, Old Rocks... maybe you need to discuss this with my former professors who gave me a 4.0 GPA in my science curriculum in college? I think it would come as a surprise to them that I am ignorant. They seemed to think I was pretty fucking smart.

I don't care about your propaganda links! As I said, there are thousands upon thousands of such links supporting your lies. It's a concerted effort on part of Socialists to confiscate wealth. They fully understand they have to dominate the internet with the lies and propaganda. That way, gullible little quislings such as yourself, who have no idea about science, can be led around by your nose ring.

Fellow, you can claim to be Einstein, this is an anonymous board, so your claims are invalid. What you are judged by are your posts, and they demonstrate profound ignorance in the subject of science. John Tydall of England demonstrated how GHGs functioned in 1858, Svante Arrhenius gave us the first, and pretty accurate, estimates of what the effects of adding GHGs to the atmosphere would do.

Propaganda links? You are one stupid ass. Links to people actually doing research in the subject.

 

[Old Rocks]

There have been vast geological periods when there was land covering the South Pole, and there was no continental ice sheets there.

BULL


You cannot disprove anything I've posted. I can disprove what you post, like the laughable quote above...

Look, LaDumbkopf, during the middle Ordovician the south pole was covered with land and there was no polar cap there. By the end of the Ordovician, there was extensive glaciation on Gondwana. During the middle Ordovician, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere was much greater than at the end of the Ordovician. Source, "The great Extinctions, What causes them and How they shape life". Norman Macleod.

 

[LaDexter]

during the middle Ordovician the south pole was covered with land and there was no polar cap there

BULL - show the video.

Source

LOL!!!

You never think, you just parrot, and parrot, and shout down those who destroy the bullshit you parrot.

 

[oldsoul]

during the middle Ordovician the south pole was covered with land and there was no polar cap there

BULL - show the video.

Source

LOL!!!

You never think, you just parrot, and parrot, and shout down those who destroy the bullshit you parrot.

Well said. Did you notice how old rocks has gotten more and more angry sounding in subsequent posts when his/her assertions and "sources" are refuted? First rule of radicals: when questioned, shout down your opponent.

As predicted, this IS getting...interesting.... and funny.

 

[LaDexter]

90% of Earth ice on land mass Antarctica
7% of Earth ice on land mass Greenland

What matters for Earth ice?

Land near a Pole.

What does CO2 have to do with that?

NOTHING

 

[Old Rocks]

during the middle Ordovician the south pole was covered with land and there was no polar cap there

BULL - show the video.

Source

LOL!!!

You never think, you just parrot, and parrot, and shout down those who destroy the bullshit you parrot.

Now LaDumbkopf, it is called a book. One of those ancient things made of paper.