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Where is the relationship between firearm ownership and homicide rate?
It' in any like-on-like comparison.
And I just know that know you are going to try comparing the US with Burundi, Fiji or Sri Lanka....anything to avoid dealing with reality and common sense.
There are fewer than 13 million firearms in circulation in Russia, compared with an estimated 300 million in the United States. That works out to about 9 guns per 100 people in Russia and closed to 100 guns per 100 people in America.
The most recent homicide statistics for Russia show that there were 21,603 killings in 2009.
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According to the FBI, the United States had 13,636 homicides in 2009 with a population that is more than twice as large. More than 80 percent of those killings were gun-related.
In spite of these laws, the country does have periodic mass shootings by people thought to be mentally ill.
Last November, after a five-day drinking binge, 30-year-old lawyer Dmitry Vinogradov posted a message online referring to humanity as "compost."
Shortly after, he walked into the Moscow pharmaceutical company where he worked and opened fire, killing six colleagues and critically injuring another. He was jailed for life last week.
And you think Americans care if foreigners think we look bad?This fails as a false comparison fallacy.Jesus wept....
Perhaps the OP can explain why countries with very few guns invariably also have very few murders?
No, of course he can't.
Carry on.
It's foolish to compare the United States to other countries in this regard.
Of course it is - because it makes the US look bad.
By any other standard, comparing the US with France, Germany, the UK or Canada makes perfect sense.
Hey, you're appealing to factors outside of gun ownership and homicide rate. Are you trying to tell us all that these confounding factors play a part in understanding the picture? Get out of town!
Of course there are other factors...who said otherwise?
And the more extreme and nonsensical comparisons you try to make, the more other factors skew the results.
Which is exactly what you are trying to do, of course, because if you approach this rationally and compare the US with countries like France and Germany - you lose. We know that.
But seriously....comparing the US and Estonia??!!
Which is exactly what you are trying to do, of course, because if you approach this rationally and compare the US with countries like France and Germany - you lose. We know that.
In a democracy ....the rich and/or the many can brutally beat the weak and outnumbered...
the rich and/or the many can brutally beat the weak and outnumbered...
That doesn't mean a thing when you have a plan and are determined at all cost to winIn a democracy ....the rich and/or the many can brutally beat the weak and outnumbered...
Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms
by Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig
A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of ex- hibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses. Respondents were excluded on the ba- sis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the re- spondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the inci- dent; or the respondent did not actu- ally display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.
Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is di- rectly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statis- tically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.
Some troubling comparisons. If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted as- saults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these re- sults, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpe- trate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)
Hmmm...Russia has a population of 143,800,000
The U.S. has a population of.............319,03,000
The U.S. has more guns in private hands than Russia...by a lot...
And yet...Russia has more gun murders than the United States....
Hmmm...explain that...
Swiss homicide rate = 0.6
Swiss gun ownership rate = 45.7
Hmmm...Russia has a population of 143,800,000
The U.S. has a population of.............319,03,000
The U.S. has more guns in private hands than Russia...by a lot...
And yet...Russia has more gun murders than the United States....
Hmmm...explain that...
Seriously?
THIS is your best argument?
Jesus wept....
an armed society is (obviously) a polite society.Swiss homicide rate = 0.6
Swiss gun ownership rate = 45.7
I knew it! I knew it!
I knew someone would to bring up Switzerland!!!
Swiss homicide rate = 0.6
Swiss gun ownership rate = 45.7
I knew it! I knew it!
I knew someone would to bring up Switzerland!!!
Buckle up kids, comparisons with Fiji and Burundi will be here soon!!!
