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So we cannot compare any two countries on any parameter, ever?
So we cannot compare any two countries on any parameter, ever?
Sure you can. You compare Finnish-American homicide rates to Finnish homicide rates and thus you isolate gun ownership rates as the factor being studied. You don't compare inner-city black Chicago to Helsinki.
And there aren't many black people or gangs in the prairies.
Not many in Idaho either and, as you note, Idaho has a higher rate of firearm ownership than Canada.
And a higher murder rate.
Canada's homicide rate in 2010 was 1.62 per 100,000. Idaho's homicide rate in 2010 was 1.4. Neighboring Alberta's homicide rate in 2010 was 2.07.
We were talking about a correlation between levels of gun ownership and homicide.
That's one year, which was the third lowest in over 40 years. The 15 year average in Idaho is ~2.4/100k v ~1.7/100k in Canada.
Idaho Crime Rates 1960 - 2012
The reason why I use 15 years is because that's the longest I could find for Canada.
Firearm rights have been expanding over time. The rates from 15 years ago are pretty meaningless. The deterrence effect is diminished when we go back so far. As more people become gun owners "politeness" increases. The last 5 years in Idaho have had lower rates than most all years prior, plus we're dealing with a small population base so year by year spikes of a few additional murders are going to show significant change in the state-wide statistics.
So we cannot compare any two countries on any parameter, ever?
Sure you can. You compare Finnish-American homicide rates to Finnish homicide rates and thus you isolate gun ownership rates as the factor being studied. You don't compare inner-city black Chicago to Helsinki.
Who was comparing inner-city black Chicago with Helsinki?
Anyone?
Or are just flailing away now....?
Let's compare like with like....I'll post the stats for France and Germany, and we can compare those with the US...
Not many in Idaho either and, as you note, Idaho has a higher rate of firearm ownership than Canada.
And a higher murder rate.
Canada's homicide rate in 2010 was 1.62 per 100,000. Idaho's homicide rate in 2010 was 1.4. Neighboring Alberta's homicide rate in 2010 was 2.07.
We were talking about a correlation between levels of gun ownership and homicide.
That's one year, which was the third lowest in over 40 years. The 15 year average in Idaho is ~2.4/100k v ~1.7/100k in Canada.
Idaho Crime Rates 1960 - 2012
The reason why I use 15 years is because that's the longest I could find for Canada.
Firearm rights have been expanding over time. The rates from 15 years ago are pretty meaningless. The deterrence effect is diminished when we go back so far. As more people become gun owners "politeness" increases. The last 5 years in Idaho have had lower rates than most all years prior, plus we're dealing with a small population base so year by year spikes of a few additional murders are going to show significant change in the state-wide statistics.
That's why statisticians don't use a single year.
Gun ownership has always been easier in Idaho than it has been in Canada. And the murder rate has almost always been significantly higher.
Guns per capita & homicides per capita:
USA : 90 guns per 100 people
Holland: 3.9
USA 4.7
Holland: 0.9
And another myth bites the dust.....
Guns per capita:
USA 90 per 100 people
France 31.2
Germany 30.3
Homcide rates:
USA 4.7 per 100,000
France 1.0
Germany 0.8
Guns per capita:
USA 90 per 100 people
France 31.2
Germany 30.3
Homcide rates:
USA 4.7 per 100,000
France 1.0
Germany 0.8
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
So the US has three times as many guns, and 4.7 times as many muders as France.
I doubt that is coincidence, somehow....
Guns per capita & homicides per capita:
USA : 90 guns per 100 people
Holland: 3.9
USA 4.7
Holland: 0.9
And another myth bites the dust.....
Look deeper...What are the demographics of the 2 countries?
What is the violent crime rate for negroes in america?
According to the DOJ, BJS, FBI and CDC, negroes commit over HALF of ALL violent crime in america, despite only making up 13% of the population.
It isn't a gun problem, it's a negro problem.
Estonia FALSIFIED your claim.
And do you think this might have anything to do with Estonia being about 2 miles long and largely controlled by the Russian mafia?
Estonia FALSIFIED your claim.
Ha! Does it REALLY??!!
And do you think this might have anything to do with Estonia being about 2 miles long and largely controlled by the Russian mafia?
Do you know it is also has the EU's worst rates of both HIV infection and heroin abuse?
My god this forum makes me laugh, sometimes!!!
Where is the relationship between firearm ownership and homicide rate?
Criminal gangs drive gun murder rates, as do violent criminals in our country...
Hey, you're appealing to factors outside of gun ownership and homicide rate. Are you trying to tell us all that these confounding factors play a part in understanding the picture? Get out of town!
Guns per capita & homicides per capita:
USA : 90 guns per 100 people
Holland: 3.9
USA 4.7
Holland: 0.9
And another myth bites the dust.....
"probably" "broadly similar"....Those are meaningless terms. Why not just say "I don't know" when you don't know?The demographics are probably broadly similar...
You "suspect" that holland has a higher % of immigrants than the u.s.? Ok...then if it isn't the dutch that are committing these crimes, what's left? The immigrants..I suspect that a higher % of people in Holland are migrants, though. Was that what you meant?
