Impeaching Trump for obstructing a non-crime: Civil War

[Nosmo King]

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You are an idiot of the first order.

Impeaching Trump on obstruction of justice charges is the duty of the House of Representatives. No man is above the law.

So why are Obama, Benny Holder, Comey, Lois Lerner, Strzok, and Hillary still free to come and go as they please? What, you thought no one would notice? Derp!

Where are the charges? Where are the investigations? Where are the prosecutors?

Just because Breitbart, Fox and Limbaugh make the accusations doesn't make it either true or prosecutable.

Remember that peskymlaw stuff?

Remember when Obama traded 5 terrorist leaders for 1 traitor? I do. He should hang for that.

Hang?

 

[FA_Q2]

Trump is not going to be impeached - there is simply not enough there.

However, even if he was there certainly would not be a civil war. This talk about civil war has always been asinine - we are NOWHERE NEAR the amount of pain and horror that is required to motivate people to take up arms in a civil war. In order to fight a civil war, you have to be willing to see your friends and family die in horrific ways because that is what happens in a civil war. It spills into the streets and pits brother against brother. It is NOT a foreign war where we go somewhere else and fight there. It is not a war where US civilians get to go to bed in their safe homes on their safe streets every night.

War is unimaginably horrific.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Who would the enemy be?... who is the common man or woman going to fight against? Their neighbors who watch CNN? Too messy. And that's the hell of it . . . the true hell of it.

The enemy is anyone who takes up arms to enforce successful impeachment of Trump by a partisan Congress and Deep State coup on the false premise of obstructing a non-crime.

The enemy is anyone who takes up arms to resist the Supreme Law of the Land.

The enemy is anyone who takes up arms to defend Democrat governors and state legislatures that attempt to secede in the wake of armed conflict.

97% of conservatives and liberals will stay home. It's the 3% of the non-military population (roughly 1.5% on both sides) that will do the fighting. The US armed forces will support Trump and hostile foreign armed forces will support the socialists.

The bread basket will not send food to the inner cities/coasts. THe Navy will blockade foreign exports of food. Foreign navies, submarines and aircraft will attempt to break those blockades.

It would actually be World War III.

Yes, it will be hell.

Probably 5-10% of the US population would starve to death in the two to three year conflict.

 

[night_son]

Who would the enemy be?... who is the common man or woman going to fight against? Their neighbors who watch CNN? Too messy. And that's the hell of it . . . the true hell of it.

The enemy is anyone who takes up arms to enforce successful impeachment of Trump by a partisan Congress and Deep State coup on the false premise of obstructing a non-crime.

The enemy is anyone who takes up arms to resist the Supreme Law of the Land.

The enemy is anyone who takes up arms to defend Democrat governors and state legislatures that attempt to secede in the wake of armed conflict.

97% of conservatives and liberals will stay home. It's the 3% of the non-military population (roughly 1.5% on both sides) that will do the fighting. The US armed forces will support Trump and hostile foreign armed forces will support the socialists.

The bread basket will not send food to the inner cities/coasts. THe Navy will blockade foreign exports of food. Foreign navies, submarines and aircraft will attempt to break those blockades.

It would actually be World War III.

Yes, it will be hell.

Probably 5-10% of the US population would starve to death in the two to three year conflict.

Let's hope it never comes to that.

 

[easyt65]

Do it Dems.

I have no doubt that impeaching Trump for "obstruction" of a crime he did not commit would start a VERY HOT Civil War.

I'm looking forward to it.

Nothing but blood, prison and public executions of the losing side is going to settle this conflict. You've made that clear by doubling down on the Mueller Report.

NON-Obstruction of a NON-Crime...

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Maybe this is a subject for another thread. Sanctuary cities, was that ever made a issue put to a vote? This is Still a democracy, isn't it? I have never seen this put on a ballot. Suddenly, we have sanctuary given to people by people I don't recognize. Explain that to me.

The 9th and 10th Amendments allow for States and cities/towns/counties to nullify and act as sovereign states in respect to any power that is not expressly enumerated for the federal government.

The problem here of course is that Immigration Law is power expressly delegated to the Federal Government.

Democrats can exercise nullification against Federal Narcotics laws (like marijuana) and be in good legal standing, since the Federal Government was never delegated the power to regulate intra-state drug laws.

Democrats cannot exercise nullification on immigration law.

And no, we're not a Democracy. We're a Constitutional Federalist Republic.

 

[Marion Morrison]

]
You are an idiot of the first order.

Impeaching Trump on obstruction of justice charges is the duty of the House of Representatives. No man is above the law.

So why are Obama, Benny Holder, Comey, Lois Lerner, Strzok, and Hillary still free to come and go as they please? What, you thought no one would notice? Derp!

Where are the charges? Where are the investigations? Where are the prosecutors?

Just because Breitbart, Fox and Limbaugh make the accusations doesn't make it either true or prosecutable.

Remember that peskymlaw stuff?

Remember when Obama traded 5 terrorist leaders for 1 traitor? I do. He should hang for that.

Hang?

Hang or firing squad. I think hanging is more humane.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Yes, that is a very good point: How do you engage in "obstruction" to prevent an investigation into a crime that did not occur? Even Mueller was forced to admit that he could find no evidence of collusion by Trump nor by any member of his campaign staff.

 

[Nosmo King]

]
You are an idiot of the first order.

Impeaching Trump on obstruction of justice charges is the duty of the House of Representatives. No man is above the law.

So why are Obama, Benny Holder, Comey, Lois Lerner, Strzok, and Hillary still free to come and go as they please? What, you thought no one would notice? Derp!

Where are the charges? Where are the investigations? Where are the prosecutors?

Just because Breitbart, Fox and Limbaugh make the accusations doesn't make it either true or prosecutable.

Remember that peskymlaw stuff?

Remember when Obama traded 5 terrorist leaders for 1 traitor? I do. He should hang for that.

Hang?

Hang or firing squad. I think hanging is more humane.

You really hate President aobama.

Well, I abaolut lay hate Trump. Fee since his playboy, gossip rag, Roy Cohn days as a simple New York real estate hustler and braggart. I hate him with the white hot intensity of 1,000 suns.

But capital punishment is too good for him. Chained to a wall in the bas mentmof Devil's Island is humane in his case.

 

[mikegriffith1]

So why are Obama, Benny Holder, Comey, Lois Lerner, Strzok, and Hillary still free to come and go as they please? What, you thought no one would notice? Derp!

Where are the charges? Where are the investigations? Where are the prosecutors?

Just because Breitbart, Fox and Limbaugh make the accusations doesn't make it either true or prosecutable.

Remember that peskymlaw stuff?

Remember when Obama traded 5 terrorist leaders for 1 traitor? I do. He should hang for that.

Hang?

Hang or firing squad. I think hanging is more humane.

You really hate President aobama.

Well, I abaolut lay hate Trump. Fee since his playboy, gossip rag, Roy Cohn days as a simple New York real estate hustler and braggart. I hate him with the white hot intensity of 1,000 suns.

But capital punishment is too good for him. Chained to a wall in the bas mentmof Devil's Island is humane in his case.

I, for one, did not hate Obama. I've said many times that Obama did many good things while in office and conducted himself in a presidential manner.

Why do you "absolutely hate" Trump? Because he has cut taxes for the middle class and for businesses, because he has brought unemployment to historically low levels, because he has presided over a manufacturing boom, because he has put pressure on states to stop over-taxing homeowners, because he has gotten better trade deals for America and American workers, because he has protected American workers the same way so many other nations protect theirs (with tariffs), because he has strengthened the military and given the troops a sizable raise, because he has brought unemployment claims down to their levels in decades?

 

[Marion Morrison]

So why are Obama, Benny Holder, Comey, Lois Lerner, Strzok, and Hillary still free to come and go as they please? What, you thought no one would notice? Derp!

Where are the charges? Where are the investigations? Where are the prosecutors?

Just because Breitbart, Fox and Limbaugh make the accusations doesn't make it either true or prosecutable.

Remember that peskymlaw stuff?

Remember when Obama traded 5 terrorist leaders for 1 traitor? I do. He should hang for that.

Hang?

Hang or firing squad. I think hanging is more humane.

You really hate President aobama.

Well, I abaolut lay hate Trump. Fee since his playboy, gossip rag, Roy Cohn days as a simple New York real estate hustler and braggart. I hate him with the white hot intensity of 1,000 suns.

But capital punishment is too good for him. Chained to a wall in the bas mentmof Devil's Island is humane in his case.

Did he commit open treason? No? STFU then, you obtuse leftist dumbass.

Your feels are not laws.

 

[Nosmo King]

Where are the charges? Where are the investigations? Where are the prosecutors?

Just because Breitbart, Fox and Limbaugh make the accusations doesn't make it either true or prosecutable.

Remember that peskymlaw stuff?

Remember when Obama traded 5 terrorist leaders for 1 traitor? I do. He should hang for that.

Hang?

Hang or firing squad. I think hanging is more humane.

You really hate President aobama.

Well, I abaolut lay hate Trump. Fee since his playboy, gossip rag, Roy Cohn days as a simple New York real estate hustler and braggart. I hate him with the white hot intensity of 1,000 suns.

But capital punishment is too good for him. Chained to a wall in the bas mentmof Devil's Island is humane in his case.

I, for one, did not hate Obama. I've said many times that Obama did many good things while in office and conducted himself in a presidential manner.

Why do you "absolutely hate" Trump? Because he has cut taxes for the middle class and for businesses, because he has brought unemployment to historically low levels, because he has presided over a manufacturing boom, because he has put pressure on states to stop over-taxing homeowners, because he has gotten better trade deals for America and American workers, because he has protected American workers the same way so many other nations protect theirs (with tariffs), because he has strengthened the military and given the troops a sizable raise, because he has brought unemployment claims down to their levels in decades?

His policies on taxes benefitted the rich, not the middle class, his policies on trade cost my friend's job at a steel mill due to tariffs on Xhinese steel, his economic polices did not reduce unemployment Obama's did that.

I hate a liar, a cheat, a racist, a xenophobe, a hypocrite, a draft dodger and a bully. He displays no characteristics of decency. He attacks the dead, POWs, Fold Star families, the disabled, women, Blacks, Latinos and anyone who disagrees with him. He alienates allies, copies up to Authoritarians, believes Putin but not our own int lligence agencies.

Trump is anonymous with substances customarily scraped from the soles of shoes.

 

[Nosmo King]

Where are the charges? Where are the investigations? Where are the prosecutors?

Just because Breitbart, Fox and Limbaugh make the accusations doesn't make it either true or prosecutable.

Remember that peskymlaw stuff?

Remember when Obama traded 5 terrorist leaders for 1 traitor? I do. He should hang for that.

Hang?

Hang or firing squad. I think hanging is more humane.

You really hate President aobama.

Well, I abaolut lay hate Trump. Fee since his playboy, gossip rag, Roy Cohn days as a simple New York real estate hustler and braggart. I hate him with the white hot intensity of 1,000 suns.

But capital punishment is too good for him. Chained to a wall in the bas mentmof Devil's Island is humane in his case.

Did he commit open treason? No? STFU then, you obtuse leftist dumbass.

Your feels are not laws.

Putin' denial was very strong. I don't know why it would be Russia.

Helsinki was public, unequivocal treason.

Failure to notify the FBI that Russians offered their help to rig the election is treasonous. Let him spend the rest of his life missing buckets of KFC on Decil's Island.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Remember when Obama traded 5 terrorist leaders for 1 traitor? I do. He should hang for that.

Hang?

Hang or firing squad. I think hanging is more humane.

You really hate President aobama.

Well, I abaolut lay hate Trump. Fee since his playboy, gossip rag, Roy Cohn days as a simple New York real estate hustler and braggart. I hate him with the white hot intensity of 1,000 suns.

But capital punishment is too good for him. Chained to a wall in the bas mentmof Devil's Island is humane in his case.

Did he commit open treason? No? STFU then, you obtuse leftist dumbass.

Your feels are not laws.

Putin' denial was very strong. I don't know why it would be Russia.

Helsinki was public, unequivocal treason.

Failure to notify the FBI that Russians offered their help to rig the election is treasonous. Let him spend the rest of his life missing buckets of KFC on Decil's Island.

Incoherent rant is incoherent.

 

[Nosmo King]

Hang?

Hang or firing squad. I think hanging is more humane.

You really hate President aobama.

Well, I abaolut lay hate Trump. Fee since his playboy, gossip rag, Roy Cohn days as a simple New York real estate hustler and braggart. I hate him with the white hot intensity of 1,000 suns.

But capital punishment is too good for him. Chained to a wall in the bas mentmof Devil's Island is humane in his case.

Did he commit open treason? No? STFU then, you obtuse leftist dumbass.

Your feels are not laws.

Putin' denial was very strong. I don't know why it would be Russia.

Helsinki was public, unequivocal treason.

Failure to notify the FBI that Russians offered their help to rig the election is treasonous. Let him spend the rest of his life missing buckets of KFC on Decil's Island.

Incoherent rant is incoherent.

I'm sorry. What I meant to say was Trump committed treason at Helsinki. Trump committed treason by accepting Russian aid to influence the election and did not inform the proper authorities.

Trump should rot away without his Big Macs, KFC and Fox News daily briefings.

 

[beautress]

Do it Dems.

I have no doubt that impeaching Trump for "obstruction" of a crime he did not commit would start a VERY HOT Civil War.

I'm looking forward to it.

Nothing but blood, prison and public executions of the losing side is going to settle this conflict. You've made that clear by doubling down on the Mueller Report.

Not only do I agree with you, but I think the Democrats will split up very soon. Traditional liberals are not bad people unless they become extreme socialists. I don't think they know that socialism is just a pretty name for communism. It's a bad moon rising between traditional liberals and their anathema of socialists coming out of the grist mills of the universities that preach substitution of Christianity with atheism.

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[The2ndAmendment]

Failure to notify the FBI that Russians offered their help to rig the election is treasonous. Let him spend the rest of his life missing buckets of KFC on Decil's Island.

There is no federal law that requires anyone to notify authorities about any crime (unless it's a felony_, with the exception of treason itself (also a felony), and only American citizens can commit treason, since treason only applies to American citizens.

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Russia does not owe allegiance to the United States.

Failure to report an act of treason by an American citizen is known as "misprison."

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

But once again, Russia doesn't owe allegiance to the United States, therefore Trump was not required to inform authorities about Russian attempts to contact his campaign.

However, under the same chapter of US Code, Brennan and Comey's Deep State is guilty of Sedition:

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United Statescontrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United Statesor the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

 

[bripat9643]

Do it Dems.

I have no doubt that impeaching Trump for "obstruction" of a crime he did not commit would start a VERY HOT Civil War.

I'm looking forward to it.

Nothing but blood, prison and public executions of the losing side is going to settle this conflict. You've made that clear by doubling down on the Mueller Report.

Read the report son. This isn't a "non crime".

Yes it is, dumb ass.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

[
I'm sorry. What I meant to say was Trump committed treason at Helsinki. Trump committed treason by accepting Russian aid to influence the election and did not inform the proper authorities.

Trump should rot away without his Big Macs, KFC and Fox News daily briefings.

Cite US Code on treason. Cite US Code on Misprision of Treason. Explain how Trump committed Misprision of Treason.

18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
18 U.S. Code § 2382 - Misprision of treason

The ONLY REAL CRIME that the Trump campaign MAY have committed is Misprision of a Felony, and that assumes:

1: The Russian agents committed a felony on Union soil (any territory or State within the US).
2: The Trump campaign official was aware that it was a felony for a Russian agent to offer aid in the election.
3: To get to Trump: That the campaign official contacted Trump about the Russian offer.
4: That Trump knew it was a felony for the Russian agent to have contacted his campaign official.
5: In Steps 2 and 4, it must also be known to both the campaign official and Trump that the Russian agent was on Union soil at the time the agent offered help.

18 U.S. Code § 4 - Misprision of felony

How do prove any of that?

There's an article on this and a petition to impeach Trump. That's the only robust source of information pertaining to Trump and misprision of a felony.

Btw the link I'm about to post is still wrong about misprision of TREASON, since Russians do not owe allegiance to the United States.

Sign the Petition

As for the misprision of a felony, since Obama's Justice Department already knew about Russian interference in the election prior to the actual election itself, can Trump or any campaign official actually be charged with misprision? The authorities were already aware. Furthermore those authorities were required to inform Trump and his campaign about it, but they didn't, which is a felony, and therefore every person (in the investigation) in Obama's DoJ, FBI and CIA is therefore guilty of misprision of a felony.

FOr more details on Misprision of Felony, read the legal theory behind it from the Ninth Circuit (current Case Law application and understanding of general theory behind Misprision):

9th Circuit Clarifies Elements of Misprision of Felony | White Collar Briefly

that the principal . . . committed and completed the felony alleged; (2) that the defendant had full knowledge of that fact; (3) that he failed to notify the authorities; and (4) that he took affirmative steps to conceal the crime of the principal.”

In this case the "Principal" = Russian agents. Unless the Russian agents are extradited to the US and convicted, there is no legal standing to launch misprision charges against Trump or any of his campaign officials.

On a different note, I don't understand how the 4th pillar (conceal the crime) made it into Case Law as a requirement for Misprision. Misprision is about failing to report a crime, not obstructing it or conspiring to conceal it or framing another party for the crime.

 

[cnm]

I have no doubt that impeaching Trump for "obstruction" of a crime he did not commit would start a VERY HOT Civil War.

CHAPTER 73—OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

[USC04] 18 USC Ch. 73: OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE

(c) Whoever corruptly—

(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object's integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or

(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.​