I'm having a hard time believing they haven't found the submersible (at Titanic site) yet

[Markle]

The item they are looking for is the size of a mini van. The search area is the size of Connecticut and about 1,000 feet deep.

No, the search area is the size of Connecticut but the depth is over 12,000' deep. Communication was lost after only an hour and a half into the six-hour dive. They could be at literally any depth. The submersible is designed so that in case of a failure, it should float to the surface. That's a massive search area.

It could have been something as simple as encountering an abandoned fishing net floating down at 6,000 feet. Antennas would have been broken and the four propulsion systems tangled. The rapid-flowing Gulf Stream runs up the coast and then out to sea and toward Iceland. If the vessel is incapacitated at whatever depth, it could be hundreds of miles from the original site.

By now, they are out of oxygen and it is a recovery effort. I'm beginning to believe that it will never be found.

 

[Markle]

Hopefully, they suffered a catastrophic failure and died quickly.

Yes, that would have been a fraction of a second.

 

[Markle]

If you rush into going that deep ... well ... bad things happen ...

I don't believe that there was a rush. They've been running this same dive for several years. My concern is that corners may have been cut in running the operation. I've seen articles saying that off-the-shelf products have been pieced together. I don't know.

 

[Markle]

I am a BIG fan of UNMANNED submersible vehicles for just this reason. WHY send manned submersible vehicles that deep where water pressures reach such extremes? Digital controlled robotics are simple to replicate, human bodies/life not so much.

“For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.” ― Ziad K. Abdelnour,

 

[AMart]

Communications were lost long ago, so the only way to find it is with another sub unless it had a black box pinger like Airliners.

 

[Markle]

MSN

www.msn.com

They are bringing in a robot ROV that can go deep as the wreck so maybe it may find it and hook a tether to it so can be resurfaced.

They have found a debris field.

 

[toobfreak]

that's interesting.. haven't heard that mentioned on the news... have even watched cnn on this story (don't watch if their topic is Politics)

Well sure, if you are trapped under water and people are looking for you like this, the best way to be found is by sonar. That's why subs go on silent running during wartime or covert operations. . No one so much as farts lest the enemy would hear them. Whales can hear for hundreds of miles in the ocean. The denser the material, the farther the sound travels because the atoms are packed closer together.

If these people are alive in that bathysphere, they should take a metal wrench or something and just tap on the metal hull. A sonar system could hear that dozens of miles away and zero in.

So since they haven't heard anything and the operator of the submersible can't be so stupid not to know this, the likely conclusion is they are dead. If the thing imploded from pressure, nothing will ever be found. At the Titanic, pressure is about 2.5 TONS of pressure (weight of a car) PER INCH.

The fact that the news isn't telling you anything doesn't surprise me one bit. The stupidest people on the planet are the authorities.

 

[ReinyDays]

I don't believe that there was a rush. They've been running this same dive for several years. My concern is that corners may have been cut in running the operation. I've seen articles saying that off-the-shelf products have been pieced together. I don't know.

My understanding is that this was only their third run to the Titanic ... and yes, off-the-shelf products not rated for these pressures ... just one break and everyone's dead ...

ROVs are not so ... they can be eaten by whales and not one hare on one human will be harmed ...

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Debris has been found. Expectations are that it exploded or imploded on the way down.

 

[nomadic5]

Debris has been found. Expectations are that it exploded or imploded on the way down.

There's a press conference at 3 ET

Fox is carrying it

 

[Markle]

Well sure, if you are trapped under water and people are looking for you like this, the best way to be found is by sonar. That's why subs go on silent running during wartime or covert operations. . No one so much as farts lest the enemy would hear them. Whales can hear for hundreds of miles in the ocean. The denser the material, the farther the sound travels because the atoms are packed closer together.

If these people are alive in that bathysphere, they should take a metal wrench or something and just tap on the metal hull. A sonar system could hear that dozens of miles away and zero in.

So since they haven't heard anything and the operator of the submersible can't be so stupid not to know this, the likely conclusion is they are dead. If the thing imploded from pressure, nothing will ever be found. At the Titanic, pressure is about 2.5 TONS of pressure (weight of a car) PER INCH.

The fact that the news isn't telling you anything doesn't surprise me one bit. The stupidest people on the planet are the authorities.

When the Coast Guard made the announcement this morning that they had found a debris field, they also announced a briefing for 3:00 pm est.

 

[toobfreak]

When the Coast Guard made the announcement this morning that they had found a debris field, they also announced a briefing for 3:00 pm est.

Sounds like something bad went wrong.

 

[Markle]

Sounds like something bad went wrong.

It is sounding more like a catastrophic implosion. I have seen where the last transmissions were from the sub that there was a slight problem. Then that the problem had gotten worse and then just crackling and static. I hadn't heard that sequence previously. Maybe, maybe not.

 

[toobfreak]

It is sounding more like a catastrophic implosion. I have seen where the last transmissions were from the sub that there was a slight problem. Then that the problem had gotten worse and then just crackling and static. I hadn't heard that sequence previously. Maybe, maybe not.

The bad news is that if it were just a radio problem or some such thing, they could just surface.

The good news is if the thing imploded, they never knew it or felt a thing. It would be instantaneous, with, I estimate, about 300,000 tons of pressure imploding in an instant.

 

[nomadic5]

The bad news is that if it were just a radio problem or some such thing, they could just surface.

The good news is if the thing imploded, they never knew it or felt a thing. It would be instantaneous, with, I estimate, about 300,000 tons of pressure imploding in an instant.

in which case, no body parts will be found

sharks, etc

 

[toobfreak]

in which case, no body parts will be found

Not a thing.

sharks, etc

No sharks at 12,000 feet.

Look, these people are toast. Even if the ROV actually found them alive still somehow, they are still at the bottom of the ocean under two miles of water and their air ran out 6 hours ago and at best, it would take many more hours to even attempt to try to pull the vessel back to the surface.

 

[nomadic5]

Not a thing.


No sharks at 12,000 feet.

I know that but body parts would seem to be able to float?

not an expert on such, but the human body contains fat and fat floats

not for long, I am sure... lots of ocean predators, not just sharks

 

[toobfreak]

I know that but body parts would seem to be able to float?

If the vessel imploded, there would be nothing left except possibly a few small bone fragments. Roughly 482,000 tons of pressure (5500 PSI across a 22 foot long vessel) snapping shut on you would be like blowing up a fly with a hydrogen bomb. They will be lucky there are any recognizable parts left to identify the vessel.

 

[nomadic5]

If the vessel imploded, there would be nothing left except possibly a few small bone fragments. Roughly 482,000 tons of pressure (5500 PSI across a 22 foot long vessel) snapping shut on you would be like blowing up a fly with a hydrogen bomb. They will be lucky there are any recognizable parts left to identify the vessel.

so what made that happen? that's what I don't u/stand... something breached the walls of the vessel?

manufacturing defect?

 

[mak2]

so what made that happen? that's what I don't u/stand... something breached the walls of the vessel?

manufacturing defect?

a stress fracture, a pin hole would be huge, anything bigger than a water molecule would lead to implosion.