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First we need to stop the illegal entry. Second we need to stop this amnesty with the illegals already here. Our government’s lack of response as well as free goodies is part of the reason they keep coming and staying. Many have been here for many years and even brought illegal children with them, but they knew when they came they were breaking our laws. I propose the following.

Require all employers to run legal resident checks on all employees and new hires as of a certain date. Make it an automatic 10,000 dollar fine for each illegal hire for anyone who hires an illegal or helps one in any way. Give every illegal 30 days to leave the US on their own or serve an automatic 5 year prison term and lose all possessions then deported.

Our government holds a great deal of responsibility for them coming here and letting them stay so long. So If there are those who want to stay and they have no criminal convictions including juvenile, offer them the possibility of registering like a sex offender, although not as one, for the rest of their life.

They should have to register once a year or within 72 hours of any change of address and pay a 1000 dollar processing fee each time. They should never be allowed to become a citizen, hold any government office, local, state, or federal. Never be allowed to vote or own a weapon of any kind. They should be required to hold a job at all times, carry their own health insurance on themselves and their family and give proof of a retirement plan that will sustain them through old age.

They should never be allowed to receive any government assistance for any reason. If they are ever arrested and convicted of a felony they would be automatically deported after they serve their sentence. If they violate any of these provisions they would be arrested and deported with no appeals.
 

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Granny says, "Dat's right - we bein' overrun by a plethora o' Pedroes...
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Latest Estimate of Illegal Alien Population Exceeds Unemployed
March 13, 2014 -- The Pew Research Center’s latest estimate of the number of illegal aliens residing in the United States—11.7 million as of March 2012--was less than the approximately 12.5 million people whom the Bureau of Labor Statistics estimated were unemployed in the United States in the average month of 2012.
However, it exceeds the approximately 11.46 million people whom BLS says were unemployed in the average month of 2013. Pew released its latest report on the “unauthorized immigrant” population on Sept. 23, 2013. Headlined “Population Decline of Unauthorized Immigrants Stalls, May Have Reversed,” it estimated that the illegal alien population in the United States in March 2012 was 11.7 million. “The number of unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. climbed steadily from 1990 to 2007, when it peaked at 12.2 million people,” said the Pew report. “The trend of annual increases averaging more than 500,000 per year then changed abruptly as the number of unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S. fell in 2008 and 2009, reversing a pattern of gains that had prevailed for decades.” “In 2012, the population of 11.7 million unauthorized immigrants was half a million people smaller than it had been in 2007, when the Great Recession began,” said Pew, noting that the “recession officially ended in June 2009.” “Although it appears that the unauthorized immigrant total has begun to grow again, the data are insufficient to say so definitively,” said Pew. “The difference in the size of the unauthorized population from 2010 (11.4 million) to 2012 (11.7 million), or from 2011 (11.5 million) to 2012 is not statistically significant.”

The Department of Homeland Security’s latest estimate of the illegal alien population in the United States, published in March 2012, also estimated there were 11.5 million unauthorized immigrants in the United States as of 2011. Unlike Pew, DHS has not yet published an estimate for 2012. If Pew’s estimate that there were 11.7 million illegal aliens in the United States as of March 2012 is accurate--and if that population has not begun to decline again as Pew estimated it did during 2007-2009 recession—then there would have been more illegal aliens in the United States in 2013 than people who were unemployed. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were 11,460,000 Americans unemployed on average in 2013, down from 12,506,000 in 2012. A person is considered to be “unemployed” by BLS if they are in the civilian noninstitutional population (n.b. they are at least 16 years old and not on active duty in the military or in an institution such as a prison, nursing home, or mental hospital) and do not have a job but have actively sought one in the last four weeks.

People in the civilian noninstitutional population who are not employed and have not actively sought a job in the last four weeks are considered by BLS to be “not in the labor force.” In 2013, according to BLS, there was a record-high average of 90,290,000 people not in the labor force in the United States. That was up from 88,310,000 in 2012. From 2012 to 2013, according to BLS, the average number of unemployed dropped by 1,046,000, but the average number of people not in the labor force increased by 1,980,000. CNSNews.com contacted Pew to ask if it had any projections for the trend in the illegal alien population in 2013. Molly Rohal, a communications associate, said Pew does not “make predictions.”

BLS said that the survey it uses to determine employment statistics does not ask people about their immigration status. “The only thing that we know is, if they were foreign born or native born,” BLS said. “We don’t know anything about their legal status. We just know about their country of origin.” Accordingly, illegal aliens surveyed for the government’s official employment statistics are counted among those who are employed, unemployed or not in the labor force in the United States. A person, therefore, could be among both the estimated illegal alien population of the country and the estimated unemployed.

Latest Estimate of Illegal Alien Population Exceeds Unemployed | CNS News
 

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Maybe it's just a statistical fluke. I am well over a “certain” age, I noticed the Mexican diaspora. When I was a wee one, EVERYONE with a tongue spoke ONE language, which was unifying. It really was. But “multiculturalism” (whatever that is) a relatively NEW phenomena, it’s a whole new mindset that didn’t exist 40 years ago. I find this push for “diversity" and open borders confusing. It seems more divisive and causes more issues than we need. We are of one NATION, or are we not? Why not one single language? What is wrong with expecting immigrants, all OF THEM, to follow ALL LAWS and learn the language of this country? Rhetorical questions. But still, the direction this country is taking puzzles me.
 
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I don't know why it's that puzzling. Politicians and Big Business sold us down the river for their own gain. The future well-being of the nation was never an issue.
 

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First we need to stop the illegal entry. Second we need to stop this amnesty with the illegals already here. Our government’s lack of response as well as free goodies is part of the reason they keep coming and staying. Many have been here for many years and even brought illegal children with them, but they knew when they came they were breaking our laws. I propose the following.

Require all employers to run legal resident checks on all employees and new hires as of a certain date. Make it an automatic 10,000 dollar fine for each illegal hire for anyone who hires an illegal or helps one in any way. Give every illegal 30 days to leave the US on their own or serve an automatic 5 year prison term and lose all possessions then deported.

Our government holds a great deal of responsibility for them coming here and letting them stay so long. So If there are those who want to stay and they have no criminal convictions including juvenile, offer them the possibility of registering like a sex offender, although not as one, for the rest of their life.

They should have to register once a year or within 72 hours of any change of address and pay a 1000 dollar processing fee each time. They should never be allowed to become a citizen, hold any government office, local, state, or federal. Never be allowed to vote or own a weapon of any kind. They should be required to hold a job at all times, carry their own health insurance on themselves and their family and give proof of a retirement plan that will sustain them through old age.

They should never be allowed to receive any government assistance for any reason. If they are ever arrested and convicted of a felony they would be automatically deported after they serve their sentence. If they violate any of these provisions they would be arrested and deported with no appeals.
How dare you solve the problem! :badgrin:
 

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One of our most famous PROGRESSIVE presidents said in a letter

"We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.

But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin, and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people."

President Teddy Roosevelt
 

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Oh great. Another rw idiot who just makes it up as he goes along.

Here ... I just wrote this and don't feel like writing it again.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/immig...-we-cannot-secure-the-border.html#post8255596
WE can easily secure the border. Start raiding businesses and deporting everyone here illegally and they will leave on their own and they will not come. Simple as that. Just start raiding is actually enough and they will self deport.
How many Mexican are crossing the northern border?:cuckoo:
 

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There is no "acknowledged 20=30 million here" . . . WOW, you are an idiot.

Dealing with your derps is so easy. :lol:
 

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First we need to stop the illegal entry. Second we need to stop this amnesty with the illegals already here. Our government’s lack of response as well as free goodies is part of the reason they keep coming and staying. Many have been here for many years and even brought illegal children with them, but they knew when they came they were breaking our laws. I propose the following.

Require all employers to run legal resident checks on all employees and new hires as of a certain date. Make it an automatic 10,000 dollar fine for each illegal hire for anyone who hires an illegal or helps one in any way. Give every illegal 30 days to leave the US on their own or serve an automatic 5 year prison term and lose all possessions then deported.

Our government holds a great deal of responsibility for them coming here and letting them stay so long. So If there are those who want to stay and they have no criminal convictions including juvenile, offer them the possibility of registering like a sex offender, although not as one, for the rest of their life.

They should have to register once a year or within 72 hours of any change of address and pay a 1000 dollar processing fee each time. They should never be allowed to become a citizen, hold any government office, local, state, or federal. Never be allowed to vote or own a weapon of any kind. They should be required to hold a job at all times, carry their own health insurance on themselves and their family and give proof of a retirement plan that will sustain them through old age.

They should never be allowed to receive any government assistance for any reason. If they are ever arrested and convicted of a felony they would be automatically deported after they serve their sentence. If they violate any of these provisions they would be arrested and deported with no appeals.
So, are we rounding them up to deport them, then? 40 million people? You haven't really indicated how you are going to accomplish this or who is going to pay for it. Amnesty makes sense as long as you close the borders. If you don't, you still have the same problem.

Thumping your chest is NOT a solution - we don't have the $ for you to make that kind of statement.
 

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There is no "acknowledged 20-30 million here" . . . WOW, you are an idiot.

Dealing with your derps is so easy. :lol:
About 11.7 million immigrants are living in the United States illegally, a population that has not varied much over the last three years but may recently be increasing again, according to new estimates published Monday by the Pew Research Center Hispanic Trends Project.
Just like unemployment figures - some idiots will try desperately to misinform the public in order to badmouth America.

“For Congress working on the demands of a potential legalization program, these are pretty solid numbers,” said Jeffrey S. Passel, senior demographer at Pew’s Hispanic Trends Project, who wrote the report with D’Vera Cohn and Ana Gonzalez-Barrera.

The Pew researchers, for the first time using larger census samples from past years, also went back to revise some of their previous estimates. The new figures, while only slightly different, show an even clearer picture of the surging growth in unauthorized immigrants to a peak of 12.2 million in 2007 from 3.5 million in 1990.

In 2008 and 2009, there was a steep drop, with the numbers falling to an estimated 11.3 million. After 2009, the population leveled off and by some measures might have been gradually growing. The Pew report does not point to any causes of the changes. But Mr. Passel noted that the dates of the decrease matched the deepest years of the economic slowdown, with its high unemployment.

“We don’t know what caused that decline, but it certainly coincides with the recession,” Mr. Passel said. “And we can say that the current enforcement practices have not led to any measurable reduction beyond the 2009 period.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/u...hows-signs-of-growth-estimates-show.html?_r=0


So, numbers were HIGHEST during the but-but-Bush administration....


Edit: I forgot that we are not allowed to point out any of but-but-Bush's former, disastrous, gaffes.
 
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There is no "acknowledged 20-30 million here" . . . WOW, you are an idiot.

Dealing with your derps is so easy. :lol:
About 11.7 million immigrants are living in the United States illegally, a population that has not varied much over the last three years but may recently be increasing again, according to new estimates published Monday by the Pew Research Center Hispanic Trends Project.
Just like unemployment figures - some idiots will try desperately to misinform the public in order to badmouth America.

“For Congress working on the demands of a potential legalization program, these are pretty solid numbers,” said Jeffrey S. Passel, senior demographer at Pew’s Hispanic Trends Project, who wrote the report with D’Vera Cohn and Ana Gonzalez-Barrera.

The Pew researchers, for the first time using larger census samples from past years, also went back to revise some of their previous estimates. The new figures, while only slightly different, show an even clearer picture of the surging growth in unauthorized immigrants to a peak of 12.2 million in 2007 from 3.5 million in 1990.

In 2008 and 2009, there was a steep drop, with the numbers falling to an estimated 11.3 million. After 2009, the population leveled off and by some measures might have been gradually growing. The Pew report does not point to any causes of the changes. But Mr. Passel noted that the dates of the decrease matched the deepest years of the economic slowdown, with its high unemployment.

“We don’t know what caused that decline, but it certainly coincides with the recession,” Mr. Passel said. “And we can say that the current enforcement practices have not led to any measurable reduction beyond the 2009 period.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/u...hows-signs-of-growth-estimates-show.html?_r=0


So, numbers were HIGHEST during the but-but-Bush administration....


Edit: I forgot that we are not allowed to point out any of but-but-Bush's former, disastrous, gaffes.
:badgrin::badgrin::badgrin:..If you're using the N.Y.Slimes, I can use the Washington Times...

“The more likely figure is 18-20 million and rising daily,” Zack Taylor, chairman of the National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers, Inc., said in an open letter dated Sunday.

Nearly 20 million illegal immigrants in U.S., former Border Patrol agents say - Washington Times

And who should know better than the man in charge of the men doing the dirty work?...

Oh, and we can compare gaffes to Bush baby, to B. Insane, I'd enjoy posting the 1100+ that I have on file for the Manchurian muslim!:eusa_clap:

FAGERALS are such assholes!
 

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Oh great. Another rw idiot who just makes it up as he goes along.

Here ... I just wrote this and don't feel like writing it again.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/immig...-we-cannot-secure-the-border.html#post8255596
WE can easily secure the border. Start raiding businesses and deporting everyone here illegally and they will leave on their own and they will not come. Simple as that. Just start raiding is actually enough and they will self deport.
How many Mexican are crossing the northern border?:cuckoo:
Mexicans crossing the northern border?

What, they hike across the US to Canada to come back in?

We're already secured the southern border and already deported more than 2 million since President Obama took office. Before that, we didn't do much of anything.

Republicans protect their own and that means big business is quietly buying up family farms who can't make a living anymore because they don't have cheap labor.

The big businesses who buy up these family farms advertise in Mexico (and other countries) for cheap labor and truck them in. A few get deported, the Rs lie to gullible rw voters, families lose their farms and big business wins.

If the gullible among us would quit gobbling up shit from fox/limbaugh/dredge/brietebart/beck, we could put an end to this.

Meanwhile, good for you for paying for illegals' health care, births and abortions in your local ER's.
 

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Oh great. Another rw idiot who just makes it up as he goes along.

Here ... I just wrote this and don't feel like writing it again.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/immig...-we-cannot-secure-the-border.html#post8255596
WE can easily secure the border. Start raiding businesses and deporting everyone here illegally and they will leave on their own and they will not come. Simple as that. Just start raiding is actually enough and they will self deport.
How many Mexican are crossing the northern border?:cuckoo:
Mexicans crossing the northern border?

What, they hike across the US to Canada to come back in?

We're already secured the southern border and already deported more than 2 million since President Obama took office. Before that, we didn't do much of anything.

Republicans protect their own and that means big business is quietly buying up family farms who can't make a living anymore because they don't have cheap labor.

The big businesses who buy up these family farms advertise in Mexico (and other countries) for cheap labor and truck them in. A few get deported, the Rs lie to gullible rw voters, families lose their farms and big business wins.

If the gullible among us would quit gobbling up shit from fox/limbaugh/dredge/brietebart/beck, we could put an end to this.

Meanwhile, good for you for paying for illegals' health care, births and abortions in your local ER's.

As usual, not one single constructive comment.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

All of the suggestions on this thread are practical only if we adopt tamperproof national identity cards for everyone. Are we willing to do that?
 

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