If You Were Joyously Anticipating The Demise Of The Democrat Party........

[PoliticalChic]

Sure, but in order to be charged with a crime, there has to be that crime statute on the books...


While I believe that our judicial system is definitely broken, and many judges on the left are abusing the powers of their office, by injecting partisanship into their decisions, I believe we have to hold out hope that our system is strong enough to endure this phase.

What do you make of this:

"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby direct the following:.....

Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM/NSPM-7 MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

www.whitehouse.gov

RollingStone:
Cracking Down

The Terrifying New Memo Trump Could Use to Go After His Opposition​

The president railed against the “enemy from within” to generals this week. NPSM-7 could enable the administration to go after anything they see as “anti-American”
By Tess.....October 4, 2025



Sure sounds like a chill on free speech, free thought, to me.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sure, but in order to be charged with a crime, there has to be that crime statute on the books...


While I believe that our judicial system is definitely broken, and many judges on the left are abusing the powers of their office, by injecting partisanship into their decisions, I believe we have to hold out hope that our system is strong enough to endure this phase.

I tend to be more pessimistic by nature, and there are rogue judges on both sides.

I tend toward the adamance when it comes to free speech.

 

[j-mac]

What do you make of this:

"By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, I hereby direct the following:.....

Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM/NSPM-7 MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

www.whitehouse.gov

RollingStone:
Cracking Down

The Terrifying New Memo Trump Could Use to Go After His Opposition​

The president railed against the “enemy from within” to generals this week. NPSM-7 could enable the administration to go after anything they see as “anti-American”
By Tess.....October 4, 2025



Sure sounds like a chill on free speech, free thought, to me.

Sounds to me like he is tearing a page out of the Democrat playbook...

 

[PoliticalChic]

NSPM-7 / NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM - orders to all law enforcement​

North America

TLDR;

Trump has issued a National Security Directive ( way different than an Executive Order ) instructing all Federal law enforcement and most local law enforcement to proactively go after MAGA's enemies.

NSPM-7 directs a new national strategy to “disrupt” any individual or groups “that foment political violence,” including “before they result in violent political acts.”

This week, Hegseth will give the same orders to the entire US military.

End TLDR;

Potentially every police force in America will carry out Trump's orders

NSPM-7 is fundamentally a law enforcement directive, and it dispenses with the complications of using the active duty military or the National Guard in pursuit of political violence. It directs the Department of Justice to focus the FBI’s approximately 200 Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs) to the new mission. The FBI network of task forces comprises over 4,000 members—including FBI personnel and task force officers (or TFOs) from,,,,,,,

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You perfectly described my my number one argument with my pro-Trump family members. Trump is hazardous to the continuation of the Republic and the Nation

His number focus should be on implementing DOGE cuts, making peace and making an alliance with China and India

I’m paying close attention to the man behind the curtain. He has a limited and quickly dwindling window of opportunity to get us back on track and he’s Schruting it

Antifa and Miami Vice boats off Venezuela are ridiculous priorities.

You need to say no to drugs. Implementing DOGE is not his job, and really a pipe dream for alliances with China and India.

WTF is Schruting? I only find it in the urban dictionary and I don't think Trump knows it either.

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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Especially not when the RNC and Trump determines that Massie and Paul’s insistence on fiscal sanity represents an existential threat to the Grift Machine

I said it before if Trump were serious, he’d warn Congress that this is the last CR he’ll sign. Present budgets or go home

I won’t celebrate Republicans because they’re only 98% as corrupt as democrats

Massie and Paul's claim to fame is that they have narcissistic delusions about their own worth and no grip on reality. That leads to obstruction simply because they will not compromise. That is why Republicans sometimes despise their siding with Democrats such as resulted in the shutdown. Paul voted with the Dems.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't like the tone, the suggestion of targetting folks with alternative opinions.

So when I saw the article I've quoted, I wrote this OP.


I never said ANTIFA was positive in any way.


But this is dangerous to freedom:

4. ....NPSM-7 “directs a new national strategy to ‘disrupt’ any individual or groups ‘that foment political violence,’ including ‘before they result in violent political acts.’”



5. ....the “indicia” (indicators) of future political violence listed in the report are:

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

IS this really how far we, who voted for Trump, want to go????????????????

But where is the evidence that all those things are to be classified as 'terrorist' groups by the Trump administration?

I'm not disputing the OP. But suggesting something is the case and the reality are not always the same thing. I just need a good basis for whether an argument is a good argument when it comes to suggesting that somebody is doing something dangerous.

 

[Hafar1014]

1. ......here is the danger the nation faces.
If we become the only party, watch out for the same from our side that we hated by them.

Online Library of Liberty
Online Library of Liberty › quotes › lord-acton-writes-to...
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.



2. Sometimes what seems like a great idea gets out of hand.


3. "Donald Trump’s designation of “antifa” as a “domestic terrorist organization” last week....Trump signed a national security policy memorandum called “Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence,” known as NSPM-7.


4. ....NPSM-7 “directs a new national strategy to ‘disrupt’ any individual or groups ‘that foment political violence,’ including ‘before they result in violent political acts.’”



5. ....the “indicia” (indicators) of future political violence listed in the report are:

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

IS this really how far we, who voted for Trump, want to go????????????????

The danger the nations faces are the illegals getting the right to vote and be counted in the census. Number 2 the socialism that has taken over the democrat party.

Both threats are being removed by Trump.

 

[PoliticalChic]

But where is the evidence that all those things are to be classified as 'terrorist' groups by the Trump administration?

I'm not disputing the OP. But suggesting something is the case and the reality are not always the same thing. I just need a good basis for whether an argument is a good argument when it comes to suggesting that somebody is doing something dangerous.

Are you suggesting that folks with any of those opinions, beliefs, statements, would be treated or considered in the same way as totally Trumpists wouuld be?

And if they are not, how is that different from the cancel culture?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The danger the nations faces are the illegals getting the right to vote and be counted in the census. Number 2 the socialism that has taken over the democrat party.

Both threats are being removed by Trump.

Darn right.

There are some 100 million illegals, most with all sorts of documentation....there is a cottage industry for fake social security cards.

 

[Foxfyre]

Are you suggesting that folks with any of those opinions, beliefs, statements, would be treated or considered in the same way as totally Trumpists wouuld be?

And if they are not, how is that different from the cancel culture?

All I am suggesting is that suggesting that Trump might treat some groups differently than others based on ideology instead of behavior is not a convincing argument for me. I need some evidence that is happening before I pass judgment.

I know of no MAGA groups that are threatening people, committing arson, vandalism, assault/battery/murder, disrupting traffic etc. etc. etc. If there are some MAGA groups that are doing that, and they are treated differently than ANTIFA, then the argument could be made that Trump and company are differentiating inappropriately.

In other words if they are going after groups because of their opinions, that would be wrong. To go after them because of unacceptable behavior that violates the rights of others is something entirely different.

 

[PoliticalChic]

All I am suggesting is that suggesting that Trump might treat some groups differently than others based on ideology instead of behavior is not a convincing argument for me. I need some evidence that is happening before I pass judgment.

I know of no MAGA groups that are threatening people, committing arson, vandalism, assault/battery/murder, disrupting traffic etc. etc. etc. If there are some MAGA groups that are doing that, and they are treated differently than ANTIFA, then the argument could be made that Trump and company are differentiating inappropriately.

In other words if they are going after groups because of their opinions, that would be wrong. To go after them because of unacceptable behavior that violates the rights of others is something entirely different.

"All I am suggesting is that suggesting that Trump might treat some groups differently than others based on ideology instead of behavior is not a convincing argument for me. I need some evidence that is happening before I pass judgment."

NSPM-7 / NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM - orders to all law enforcement​

North America

TLDR;

l;'pn67 Trump has issued a National Security Directive ( way different than an Executive Order ) instructing all Federal law enforcement and most local law enforcement to proactively go after MAGA's enemies.

NSPM-7 directs a new national strategy to “disrupt” any individual or groups “that foment political violence,” including “before they result in violent political acts.”

This week, Hegseth will give the same orders to the entire US military.

End TLDR;

Potentially every police force in America will carry out Trump's orders

NSPM-7 is fundamentally a law enforcement directive, and it dispenses with the complications of using the active duty military or the National Guard in pursuit of political violence. It directs the Department of Justice to focus the FBI’s approximately 200 Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs) to the new mission. The FBI network of task forces comprises over 4,000 members—including FBI personnel and task force officers (or TFOs) from,,,,,,,

Click to expand...

 

[Foxfyre]

"All I am suggesting is that suggesting that Trump might treat some groups differently than others based on ideology instead of behavior is not a convincing argument for me. I need some evidence that is happening before I pass judgment."

NSPM-7 / NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM - orders to all law enforcement​

North America

TLDR;

l;'pn67 Trump has issued a National Security Directive ( way different than an Executive Order ) instructing all Federal law enforcement and most local law enforcement to proactively go after MAGA's enemies.

NSPM-7 directs a new national strategy to “disrupt” any individual or groups “that foment political violence,” including “before they result in violent political acts.”

This week, Hegseth will give the same orders to the entire US military.

End TLDR;

Potentially every police force in America will carry out Trump's orders

Do you have the actual text of the entire directive?

Here it is I believe in its entirety. I just don't see anything alarming in it. It isn't going after Trump's 'enemies' or those who disagree with him. It is going against those planning, funding, instigating, carrying out violence in a way that endangers or otherwise violates the rights of citizens.

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2025-19141.pdf

Again the only possible issue I can see is if Trump should treat a violent MAGA group differently than a leftist group. Then I will agree that is a dangerous thing. To condemn Trump in advance because he "might' do that in my opinion is an argument bordering on extremism.

I don't know of any MAGA groups however that are planning, promoting, funding, instigating violence. Do you?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Massie and Paul's claim to fame is that they have narcissistic delusions about their own worth and no grip on reality. That leads to obstruction simply because they will not compromise. That is why Republicans sometimes despise their siding with Democrats such as resulted in the shutdown. Paul voted with the Dems.

They're deluded because they don't support unsustainable trillion dollar annual deficits?

Good to know!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"I won’t celebrate Republicans because they’re only 98% as corrupt as democrats"

Pleeeeeeeeeezzzzzzze.


This is a political system in which we vote for the one CLOSEST to one's wishes....it has nothing to do with celebrating any politician.
If you are unhappy, write an OP, as this one.

That's why I vote based on freedom....and use it in this manner.

I'm always willing to be challenged on an opinion.

^ Democrats and Republicans, this time Republicans are driving

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

They're deluded because they don't support unsustainable trillion dollar annual deficits?

Good to know!

The deficits are no where near $1 trillion. Get a grip on reality.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The deficits are no where near $1 trillion. Get a grip on reality.

Correct again!

12-Month Rolling Deficit Rises to $2.2 Trillion in February 2025 | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

"The federal budget deficit totaled $2.2 trillion between March 2024 and February 2025 based on estimates from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO)."

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Correct again!

12-Month Rolling Deficit Rises to $2.2 Trillion in February 2025 | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

"The federal budget deficit totaled $2.2 trillion between March 2024 and February 2025 based on estimates from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO)."

That's Biden's budget, dumbass! Also, the CBO is always wrong.

So is your source, according to my Google-fu.

US Budget Deficit Hit $1.8 Trillion In 2025, CBO Reports​

US Budget Deficit Hit $1.8 Trillion In 2025, CBO Reports

The U.S. federal budget deficit hit $1.8 trillion in the fiscal year ending on Sept. 30, the Congressional Budget Office

ijr.com

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's Biden's budget, dumbass! Also, the CBO is always wrong.

So is your source, according to my Google-fu.

US Budget Deficit Hit $1.8 Trillion In 2025, CBO Reports​

US Budget Deficit Hit $1.8 Trillion In 2025, CBO Reports

The U.S. federal budget deficit hit $1.8 trillion in the fiscal year ending on Sept. 30, the Congressional Budget Office

ijr.com

“We are on track to borrow nearly $2 trillion per year for the next decade,” MacGuineas continued. “How can anyone think this is sustainable?”

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

“We are on track to borrow nearly $2 trillion per year for the next decade,” MacGuineas continued. “How can anyone think this is sustainable?”

It's worked so far, and no one can come up with a plan to fix it, so I guess we are doomed or we will inflate out way out of it.