If You Were Joyously Anticipating The Demise Of The Democrat Party........

[PoliticalChic]

Did that answer the question or post ?

Do I actually have to clarify?

Fine.

My adamance about free speech is immovable.

If others, apparently Republicans, are not of the same mind, they might as well vote Democrat.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You said "investigate for something they haven't done yet" ? Violence found in words that suggest that a person is openly threatening someone should be investigated..... Then you say let's try and debate this, well ok but already you come out of the box saying ridiculous thing's that you know won't happen or ain't happening if nothing is there. We should all have a problem with hyperbolic statements like that, otherwise if a good starting point can't be reached to start a good debate, then how does a good debate proceed ??

"Violence found in words"

WHAT???????



For your education
AI Overview

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) was a landmark Supreme Court case that established the "imminent lawless action" test, ruling that the government cannot punish the advocacy of illegal violence unless it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. The case involved a Ku Klux Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg, who was convicted under an Ohio law for advocating violence at a rally. The Court's decision found that the Ohio law was overly broad and violated Brandenburg's First Amendment free speech rights by punishing mere advocacy without regard to the likelihood of imminent violence.

Imminent.....about to happen,

Give any of these as opinions and the directive will get you "investigated." That is not conservative, nor American.

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

 

[PoliticalChic]

This Democrat isn't going to be represented by the Democrat leadership. He might as well vote for Republicans.

My hope for America......Democrats like this.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Are you new? Today's 'republican' is a populist.

The subject was how gutless you are.

Case closed.

 

[jackflash]

It is a concern because of human nature.......God gave us intellect and often it results in one rationalizes every sort of act and outcome.

Sad but true.

mes Madison​

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“If Men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and the next place, oblige it to control itself.”​

― James Madison

Yeah, the current state of humanities human condition(Human Nature) is really a tragedy. Excellent call on your part for sure!

 

[Blisterfinger]

1. ......here is the danger the nation faces.
If we become the only party, watch out for the same from our side that we hated by them.

Online Library of Liberty
Online Library of Liberty › quotes › lord-acton-writes-to...
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.



2. Sometimes what seems like a great idea gets out of hand.


3. "Donald Trump’s designation of “antifa” as a “domestic terrorist organization” last week....Trump signed a national security policy memorandum called “Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence,” known as NSPM-7.


4. ....NPSM-7 “directs a new national strategy to ‘disrupt’ any individual or groups ‘that foment political violence,’ including ‘before they result in violent political acts.’”



5. ....the “indicia” (indicators) of future political violence listed in the report are:

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

IS this really how far we, who voted for Trump, want to go????????????????

Yes

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes

Is that your answer to this?
IS this really how far we, who voted for Trump, want to go????????????????

If so, you might as well vote Democrat.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Is that your answer to this?
IS this really how far we, who voted for Trump, want to go????????????????

If so, you might as well vote Democrat.

That was just a stream of lies about Trump voters. President Trump has proven to be a godsend and the best of America.

 

[PoliticalChic]

That was just a stream of lies about Trump voters. President Trump has proven to be a godsend and the best of America.

Where are any lies?


You've stated that you agree with investigating American citizens for their opinions.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Where are any lies?


You've stated that you agree with investigating American citizens for their opinions.

This is not what MAGA is . ANTIFA would be the people suppressing all of these things . MAGA is the party of freedom. ANTIFA is the party that would use violence to foment these ideals. Portland proved it starting in 2020

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."

These, the views of the left and antifa. This is foreign to americanism and MAGA.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is not what MAGA is . ANTIFA would be the people suppressing all of these things . MAGA is the party of freedom. ANTIFA is the party that would use violence to foment these ideals. Portland proved it starting in 2020

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."

These, the views of the left and antifa. This is foreign to americanism and MAGA.

There is no mention of ANTIFA in that list. This applies to every American.

Simple question: do you believe that American citizens should get a visit from the police if they have these views, or do you believe in the first amendment?

 

[Blisterfinger]

There is no mention of ANTIFA in that list. This applies to every American.

Simple question: do you believe that American citizens should get a visit from the police if they have these views, or do you believe in the first amendment?

Of course not I am MAGA. Those are leftist views.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of course not I am MAGA. Those are leftist views.

That's why I was shocked and disappointed that the administration authored this directive.


" The Secretary shall provide guidance for financial institutions to file Suspicious Activity Reports and investigate indicia of illicit funding streams to ensure such activity is rooted out at the source and referred for law enforcement action, as appropriate."

Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM/NSPM-7 MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[task0778]

Of course not I am MAGA. Those are leftist views.

Idly curious, do you not worry a little bit about how a democrat president at some point in the future will unjustly designate conservative people and groups as anti-American because they oppose his/her agenda? And therefore subject to investigation and harassment, even though they have done nothing to warrant such action? I believe the democrats have already been guilty of this, but Trump's directive could give them some political and judicial cover that wasn't there before.

My guess is that this directive will have to face legal challenges and I am not sure which way it goes. Up to now, the DOJ was supposed to show reasonable evidence that wrong-doing was imminent before an investigation into an American's activities. I am not saying that Trump's DOJ will conduct investigations without justification, but I wouldn't bet the rent that a future president might do just that. Trump's directive kinda sets a precedent that might be okay today but maybe not in a few years down the road.

 

[beagle9]

More than reasonable, and the import of my OP.

Has nothing to do with what he said about "don't like", but it's everything to do with attacking or rioting or crossing red lines that suggest in speak the attacking of or rioting or crossing red lines without consequences, just like it's been without consequences in Dem la la land for way to long now.

 

[beagle9]

Idly curious, do you not worry a little bit about how a democrat president at some point in the future will unjustly designate conservative people and groups as anti-American because they oppose his/her agenda? And therefore subject to investigation and harassment, even though they have done nothing to warrant such action? I believe the democrats have already been guilty of this, but Trump's directive could give them some political and judicial cover that wasn't there before.

My guess is that this directive will have to face legal challenges and I am not sure which way it goes. Up to now, the DOJ was supposed to show reasonable evidence that wrong-doing was imminent before an investigation into an American's activities. I am not saying that Trump's DOJ will conduct investigations without justification, but I wouldn't bet the rent that a future president might do just that. Trump's directive kinda sets a precedent that might be okay today but maybe not in a few years down the road.

That's why the nation must not elect Democrats ever again in this nation. Sounds crazy, but not half as bad as the crazed Dems have been since the 1980s or before.

 

[beagle9]

"Violence found in words"

WHAT???????



For your education
AI Overview

Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) was a landmark Supreme Court case that established the "imminent lawless action" test, ruling that the government cannot punish the advocacy of illegal violence unless it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. The case involved a Ku Klux Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg, who was convicted under an Ohio law for advocating violence at a rally. The Court's decision found that the Ohio law was overly broad and violated Brandenburg's First Amendment free speech rights by punishing mere advocacy without regard to the likelihood of imminent violence.

Imminent.....about to happen,

Give any of these as opinions and the directive will get you "investigated." That is not conservative, nor American.

• anti-Americanism,
• anti-capitalism,
• anti-Christianity,
• support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
• extremism on migration,
• extremism on race,
• extremism on gender
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
• hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality."
• Trump Classifies “Anti-Capitalism” as a Political Pre-Crime

There will be degrees that will determine the activation of investigating someone, and you should know this. The government or DOJ will not be spending taxpayer money on frivolous investigations where there will be no there there. Put down the wine and sober up if you've been drink posting..

 

[task0778]

That's why the nation must not elect Democrats ever again in this nation. Sounds crazy, but not half as bad as the crazed Dems have been since the 1980s or before.

Sooner or later, it's gonna happen. Those crazy leftist bastards will never go away, I remember everyone thought the DNP was toast in the late 80s; didn't happen, they came roaring back and they will again with the old siren song of free this and that while somebody else pays for it. Boomers like me will kick the bucket and the young people that thing socialism is so wonderful will find out the hard way that it ain't.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Idly curious, do you not worry a little bit about how a democrat president at some point in the future will unjustly designate conservative people and groups as anti-American because they oppose his/her agenda? And therefore subject to investigation and harassment, even though they have done nothing to warrant such action? I believe the democrats have already been guilty of this, but Trump's directive could give them some political and judicial cover that wasn't there before.

My guess is that this directive will have to face legal challenges and I am not sure which way it goes. Up to now, the DOJ was supposed to show reasonable evidence that wrong-doing was imminent before an investigation into an American's activities. I am not saying that Trump's DOJ will conduct investigations without justification, but I wouldn't bet the rent that a future president might do just that. Trump's directive kinda sets a precedent that might be okay today but maybe not in a few years down the road.

I certainly do worry about how the Democrat party is going to act in the future. Joe Biden's regime has proven them to be politically punitive, dishonest and downright communistic.
I actually trust Trump to put a stop to Democrat groups who want to punish those who think differently than them. At The Ballot Box.
MAGA is pro-american , pro- democracy and free thinking.
Hopefully another Joe Biden, Barack Obama Democrat never sticks as much as a small fleck into the white house .

 

[PoliticalChic]

Idly curious, do you not worry a little bit about how a democrat president at some point in the future will unjustly designate conservative people and groups as anti-American because they oppose his/her agenda? And therefore subject to investigation and harassment, even though they have done nothing to warrant such action? I believe the democrats have already been guilty of this, but Trump's directive could give them some political and judicial cover that wasn't there before.

Has nothing to do with what he said about "don't like", but it's everything to do with attacking or rioting or crossing red lines that suggest in speak the attacking of or rioting or crossing red lines without consequences, just like it's been without consequences in Dem la la land for way to long now.

I sure hope there are both legal challenges and a re-evalustion of the directive by the man we voted for.