If you oppose the Confederate flag you oppose the American flag too

[ogibillm]

lincoln didn't start a war. secession started the war.

Nope. Lincoln started it. No one forced Lincoln to invade Virginia, moron.

virginia forced it by seceding.

Wrong. Nothing in the Constitution says the president has to wage war on a state that secedes. In fact, it says precisely the opposite. Waging war on the states was an act of treason.

so the president was supposed to allow the theft of lands and resources from america?

The Confederate states offered to purchase all Federal properties within their borders.

Next stupid argument!

can't buy what isn't for sale.

 

[bendog]

If only bripat was around the confederacy woulda probably won easily. Easily.

If Bripat were around the confederacy would have invaded Mexico to oppose Northern tyranny.

 

[ogibillm]

yep. they were worried about their rights to have slaves.

That's not correct. The overwhelming majority of those who fought for the Confederacy didn't own slaves. There were a few who were concerned with the Federal government taking what the Federal government had already said was their legally-owned property. You (and others) like to pretend the US government had somehow condemned slavery and the South defiantly refused to let go of it. There was NEVER any such condemnation by Congress or the Courts. They REPEATEDLY upheld the institution of slavery and defined slaves as personal property owned by their masters. In THAT context, they were absolutely wrong in wanting to take the legitimate property of individuals. That's a direct violation of the 4th Amendment until your Court determines slaves are human beings with human rights... which they never did. That is NOT the fault of the CSA.

yeah... slavery was central to the declarations of secession. the states seceded to protect slavery.

Well of course it was, slavery was very much an issue. I haven't denied that. Still, it wasn't because the CSA made it an issue

no, it was already an issue before the csa came into existence. that's why it's cited in secession declarations.

 

[ogibillm]

You mean all those people who equate Southern Democrats of the 1950's with Democrats today?

lol

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

slavery and its protection were central to south carolina's declaration of secession, and secession started the war, since there would have been no shots fired without it and the subsequent theft of fort sumpter. it absolutely was not a 'side issue' and anyone claiming it was is trying to rewrite history.

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

on the contrary. adherence to the constitution is american. making sure the seceding states adhered to the government they agreed upon is also american.

Wrong, that's fascism. The states didn't agree to remain in the union no matter what. Read the Constitution. You might learn something.

there are no provisions for secession in the constitution.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

If only bripat was around the confederacy woulda probably won easily. Easily.

If Bripat were around the confederacy would have invaded Mexico to oppose Northern tyranny.

The north invaded the south. You fail

 

[OKTexas]

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

So, you're arguing that those who wanted nothing to do with America were the ones acting like Americans....

Put down the crack pipe.

More so than Lincoln. Have you ever read the declaration of independence?

Preserving America was un-American....got it.

The country was founded on the concept that a free people have the right to govern themselves, when you abandon those ideas you abandon America, and when America abandons those ideas it is no longer America. Any top down, dictatorial, central government is un-American.

 

[Pheonixops]

Let's face it. Southerners fought against Northern aggression and for their freedom. They were patriotic Americans sick of seeing their country going the wrong way. That's why people typically fly the Stars and Bars.
But we got over that and healed and the descendents of those Confederates went on to serve the American army and win our wars.
But those who want to censor, who want to denigrate the struggle of our Southern ancestors, who want to demonize others for holding opinions contrary to theirs are no better than jihhadis and communists, who want to ban anything contrary to their religion. They are the hater dupes of the public world.

Yeah, for their freedom to own another human being. That's a fact. Then in the twentieth century, they used it to terrorize Black people. I will also agree some people who fly that flag may think it's "cool" or the "in thing" like Mossy Oak (they seem to go together) and don't look at it, as a "I hate Black people" symbol. I have nephews like that among them they are split in that family, the two I am referring to love me as their uncle (by marriage) and we get along quite well. One of them also posts things against racism on his FB. The others definitely have a racial problem, we don't talk that much but we are respectful, same with their father. It's kind of funny and sad to see my sister-in-law (and her kids) walk on egg shells when her husband is around, yet when he's not there we are all joking and having a good time.

I personally don't give a shit if the flag is flown or not, in fact I joke about it to my wife when we are driving down there. It also serves as a good reminder of the mindset of those "folks" down there...........................

 

[ogibillm]

If only bripat was around the confederacy woulda probably won easily. Easily.

If Bripat were around the confederacy would have invaded Mexico to oppose Northern tyranny.

The north invaded the south. You fail

there was no invasion.you cannot invade your own country.

 

[Pheonixops]

Let's face it. Southerners fought against Northern aggression and for their freedom. They were patriotic Americans sick of seeing their country going the wrong way. That's why people typically fly the Stars and Bars.
But we got over that and healed and the descendents of those Confederates went on to serve the American army and win our wars.
But those who want to censor, who want to denigrate the struggle of our Southern ancestors, who want to demonize others for holding opinions contrary to theirs are no better than jihhadis and communists, who want to ban anything contrary to their religion. They are the hater dupes of the public world.

The people taking down the flags are the decedents of those Confederates.

NIcky Haley is a descendent of Confederates?

Most of the people who want to take the flags down are Yankee carpet baggers.

Tim Scott and Lindsay Graham are Yankee carpetbaggers?

 

[NYcarbineer]

If only bripat was around the confederacy woulda probably won easily. Easily.

If Bripat were around the confederacy would have invaded Mexico to oppose Northern tyranny.

The north invaded the south. You fail

No the United States military took action in US states in rebellion.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So based on the OP, is there anyone left among the GOP candidates who doesn't hate the American flag (I mean, any more than they did already...)

 

[candycorn]

You mean all those people who equate Southern Democrats of the 1950's with Democrats today?

lol

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

slavery and its protection were central to south carolina's declaration of secession, and secession started the war, since there would have been no shots fired without it and the subsequent theft of fort sumpter. it absolutely was not a 'side issue' and anyone claiming it was is trying to rewrite history.

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

on the contrary. adherence to the constitution is american. making sure the seceding states adhered to the government they agreed upon is also american.

Right up to the point that government became something that wasn't agreed upon.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

So, you're arguing that those who wanted nothing to do with America were the ones acting like Americans....

Put down the crack pipe.

More so than Lincoln. Have you ever read the declaration of independence?

Preserving America was un-American....got it.

The country was founded on the concept that a free people have the right to govern themselves, when you abandon those ideas you abandon America, and when America abandons those ideas it is no longer America. Any top down, dictatorial, central government is un-American.

Preserving America was un-American....got it.
and now....
Holding hundreds of thousands of black folks in bondage was not "dictatorial".

You keep digging...I'll keep handing you shovels.

 

[candycorn]

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

So, you're arguing that those who wanted nothing to do with America were the ones acting like Americans....

Put down the crack pipe.

More so than Lincoln. Have you ever read the declaration of independence?

Preserving America was un-American....got it.

No. Turning a voluntary union of sovereign states into an empire of subjects was unamerican. That's what the tyrant Lincoln did.

You and your ilk are so proud to be the property of the government that it's positively sickening.

If freedom makes you sick...I think we'll find a way to get by without you.

 

[OKTexas]

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

on the contrary. adherence to the constitution is american. making sure the seceding states adhered to the government they agreed upon is also american.

Wrong, that's fascism. The states didn't agree to remain in the union no matter what. Read the Constitution. You might learn something.

there are no provisions for secession in the constitution.

See the 10th Amendment.

 

[initforme]

Yup..here it comes... someone is going to justify slavery... wait for it... wait for it. Slave owners were
1). Lazy cheap people who wouldn't pay for work.
2). See #1

 

[Faun]

If only bripat was around the confederacy woulda probably won easily. Easily.

If Bripat were around the confederacy would have invaded Mexico to oppose Northern tyranny.

The north invaded the south. You fail

The South fired first; upon Fort Sumter.

 

[ogibillm]

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

on the contrary. adherence to the constitution is american. making sure the seceding states adhered to the government they agreed upon is also american.

Wrong, that's fascism. The states didn't agree to remain in the union no matter what. Read the Constitution. You might learn something.

there are no provisions for secession in the constitution.

See the 10th Amendment.

a good argument, but i point you to texas v white

 

[Dot Com]

If only bripat was around the confederacy woulda probably won easily. Easily.

If Bripat were around the confederacy would have invaded Mexico to oppose Northern tyranny.

The north invaded the south. You fail

The South fired first; upon Fort Sumter.

she is a kool aid drinking dope

 

[OKTexas]

Yeah we all know Republicans were really Democrats from the 1950s. All of them. Even the ones in their 40s.
Yes,you are, dum-dum.

Then you explain to us all for our entertainment why the Council of Conservative Citizens is almost all Republicans today.[/QUOTE

What did you not get that slavery was LEGAL.

so? south carolina seceded to protect slavery. what's hard about that concept?

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

on the contrary. adherence to the constitution is american. making sure the seceding states adhered to the government they agreed upon is also american.

Right up to the point that government became something that wasn't agreed upon.

And Lincoln invaded the south because he didn't think free men had a right to govern themselves, kind of unamerican wouldn't you say?

So, you're arguing that those who wanted nothing to do with America were the ones acting like Americans....

Put down the crack pipe.

More so than Lincoln. Have you ever read the declaration of independence?

Preserving America was un-American....got it.

The country was founded on the concept that a free people have the right to govern themselves, when you abandon those ideas you abandon America, and when America abandons those ideas it is no longer America. Any top down, dictatorial, central government is un-American.

Preserving America was un-American....got it.
and now....
Holding hundreds of thousands of black folks in bondage was not "dictatorial".

You keep digging...I'll keep handing you shovels.

Tell me, what laws were they violating by keeping slaves?