If you do Not Support Ukraine Ceding Territory to Russia to End the War and the Killing, What is Your Plan?

[rightwinger]

The risk is he launches nukes.

Give me what I want or I will nuke you

 

[rightwinger]

Our 3D Chess Champ has been boosting his total force toward a 1.5 million target so he might initiate a major offensive vey soon

Your 3D Chess Champ botched an invasion of a militarily weak neighbor
He revealed how weak and poorly led the Russian Army are while losing 600,000 casualties

 

[eagle1462010]

Crimea and Novorussia are vitally necessary for Russia, like Alaska and California are vitally important for the USA.
Russia does want to take Alaska and California but doesn't want to pay more than 1 mln Russian lives. The USA want to keep Alaska and California and ready to pay for it more than 50 mln American lives.
Same is right for Crimea and Novorussia.

So, if the USA really wants to take Crimea and Novorussia (and avoid barbarism like mass murders of civilians) - they can make the more or less equal bet - Alaska and California, and then we can play a limited nuclear war. Just a little, but decisive counter-force strike. If the first counter-force strike is precise (no more than 1 mln civilians of collateral damage) and effective (and defender can't kill more than one million of attackers civilians by retaliation strike) - the attacker can take all stakes (but only disputed lands), defender doesn't retaliate and survive as a minor, but still nuclear power (no unconditional surrenders demands). If the first strike is really ineffective (and defender can kill by his retaliation strike more than 50 mln of attacker's civilians) the attacker lost both stakes, but also survive as a minor but nuclear power.

Right after the first counter-force nuclear strike there should be a "humanitarian pause" (I suggest two days or a week) during which both sides should have the opportunity to calculate their further chances with more or less cold head, make their next stakes and try to achieve mutually acceptable solution and save as much civilians as they can, during which both sides don't deliberately attack civilians but may attack nuclear forces.

Right after both sides have their results of the war recognised and sign the peace treaty - there should not be any restrictions on the international humanitarian aid and trade.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Thx, so this could be viewed as a civil war , but just who wants independence from who is fuzzy Evil one






That's sadly apparent Evil

To my (limited) understanding the territory has been on the invasion superhighway since medieval times

The indigenous folks always seemed to simply subscribe to whoever had the biggest stick

IE~ being an independent state took a back seat to prostituting their resources to said sorts

yet, we're supposed to buy into this as the entire reason to support them
~S~

Ukraine gained its independence when the Soviet Union collapsed. Other than Crimea demanding its own independence from Ukraine so it could return to Russia, the region has been quiet. Until Ukraine decided to join NATO. It doesn't take much to figure out.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

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Russia could only improve California.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

My thoughts exactly

It is the only peaceful outcome.

 

[Moonglow]

This queston came up when one of my relatives at the T'Giving table said that Trump's plan is to give Russia the approx 18% of Ukraine that they now occupy. No idea if that is Trump's plan or not, but this relative thought it was. I asked him what his idea was.

His suggestion seemed unworkable, but at family gatherings, I only ask questions about politics, I don't argue politics.

What is your plan?

It is not Trump's country to give away.

 

[Moonglow]

Russia could only improve California.

You can help the US a lot by staying in Russia.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You can help the US a lot by staying in Russia.

It's early for you to get high. Or are you STILL high?

 

[Moonglow]

It is the only peaceful outcome.

No, it isn't, but you weak supporters of megalomaniacs with appeasement cause the world to yet again go into a war because you wanted to ignore it.

 

[Moonglow]

It's early for you to get high. Or are you STILL high?

Is that the best you have Ruskie agent from Hell?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Is that the best you have Ruskie agent from Hell?

Is this you admitting to being a democrat

 

[Moonglow]

Is this you admitting to being a democrat

Is that what you need in Russia to survive?

 

[rightwinger]

Ukraine gained its independence when the Soviet Union collapsed. Other than Crimea demanding its own independence from Ukraine so it could return to Russia, the region has been quiet. Until Ukraine decided to join NATO. It doesn't take much to figure out.

Ukraine never tried to join NATO, it was never offered

Because of Russian aggression, it is obvious that they need to

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Give me what I want or I will nuke you

More like

Give me at least 50% of what I want or Nukes are an option. Is my best guess.

 

[rightwinger]

More like

Give me at least 50% of what I want or Nukes are an option. Is my best guess.

Nukes should be reserved to protect yourself during an invasion.
Not as a means to take the territory of others

 

[Seymour Flops]

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Minding out own business shows strength.

What do you recommend we do to force Russia out of Ukraine and show what you consider strength?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Nukes should be reserved to protect yourself during an invasion.
Not as a means to take the territory of others

The Russians have announced that they disagree with that.

 

[Mac-7]

Ukraine never tried to join NATO, it was never offered

Because of Russian aggression, it is obvious that they need to

Ukraine joining NATO was one of the excuses Putin used for the invasion

Ukraine gave up its nukes with the promise that russia would never invade

 

[Seymour Flops]

But they already occupy 27% of the land .
And that is a western estimate so the likely truer figure is 30% .

And in achieving that 30% they have essentially eliminated the future supply of home bred Ukey fighters .Unless then Ukes immediately reduce conscription age .

Why wouldn't the Ukes lower their conscription age? How absurd is it for them to exempt 18-23 year olds while waiting for the U.S. to finally sent its teenagers to fight for them?

So without NATO sending in many more of their own , they are doomed to see Uncle Pooty and his brave boys gallop west towards Odessa and the Romanian border .

Our 3D Chess Champ has been boosting his total force toward a 1.5 million target so he might initiate a major offensive vey soon rather than wait for Spring -- say , around mid March .

Things look dire in what might shortly be ex Ukraine .

Cool.

So answer the question in the OP.