If You Are Too Busy Earning A Living To Pay Attention......

[PoliticalChic]

.....well then, you might actually vote Democrat.



1. When you work hard and earn a living for you and the family, you may not realize that, according to the Democrats, that isn't your money- than's their money that they let you hold on to temporarily.


2. And they justify it as sophists do: ""You didn't build that" is a phrase from a 2012 election campaign speech delivered by United States President Barack Obama on July 13, 2012, in Roanoke, Virginia. If you've got a business, you didn't build that."
And that salary? You didn't earn that......we let you borrow it.


3. A post today from one of the usual liars:
"The main reason why families today don't have five kids like my parents did is that they can't afford them. That is because for the last 50 years, Republicans/Conservatives/Corporate America have been systematically destroying unions and workers' rights."
Politics And Robots post #35


4. He is right that taxes make two earners per family a necessity.....but it's Democrats, "tax and spend" that is responsible
Everybody knows they, Democrats/Fascisets are called the "tax and spend Democrats."
The NYTimes wrote this about the guy you called God, Jesus and the messiah...Obama
"But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” Education of a President (Published 2010)


5.And Democrats just hate to give "their money" back.
AI Overview
While there isn't a single, precise figure quantifying how often Democrats have voted for tax cuts, historical evidence suggests they have often voted against them, particularly when it comes to broad, across-the-board tax cuts. However, there have been instances where Democrats have supported tax cuts, often in specific contexts or as part of broader deals.

Here's a more detailed look:

• General Opposition:
  Democrats have a history of opposing tax cuts, especially those that primarily benefit wealthy individuals or corporations, according to the White House.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The White House reported that every Democrat voted against the 2025 bill that included tax cuts.

 

[DGS49]

For working class people, Federal Income Tax is not really an issue. If you earn less than fifty grand, you are probably paying more in FICA, Medicare and state & local taxes than you are FIT.

It is unfortunate that the culture promotes the paradigm of "get a job to earn a living," when entrepreneurship is by far the best avenue to prosperity (and financial ruin, but that's another story).

The two-income family, now considered almost mandatory to keep your family's head above water, takes a significant toll on the culture. Rather than having a mother in the home, supervising play and homework, those tasks fall to either paid caregivers or nobody at all.

Women are taught that they cannot be successful in life unless they have a career, which is a tragic lie.

I pity young people who lack the resources to buy a home, year after year, but the problem keeps getting worse as real estate prices become more and more irrational.

I am so fucking lucky I could shit. Retired and financially secure, with no real health problems.

 

[Woodznutz]

"You didn't build that", is one of the most misquoted political statements ever made.

 

[airplanemechanic]

"You didn't build that", is one of the most misquoted political statements ever made.

Well then show us how its wrong.

 

[toobfreak]

you may not realize that, according to the Democrats, that isn't your money- than's their money that they let you hold on to temporarily.

Well, I guess the dirty secret is out. Government workers especially federal ones really do consider your tax revenue their money. And there is no sense of fiscal responsibility that comes with that, in fact, they are entitled to it!

But Toob! They pay taxes, don't they mind the waste?

No, they really don't pay taxes and to them there is no waste. You see, whereas your salary of, say, $50,000, it written to cover the gross expenditure of your employer before taxes (meaning you only get to keep the net after taxes), their income for the same work is maybe $70,000 - $80,000, then add in another $20,000 worth of generous healthcare and other benefits, written to cover the net expenditure of the government /after/ taxes!

Put more simply, when taxes go up, your net take-home pay goes down, but when taxes go up for the federal worker, their income goes up, with a cushion built in to allow cost of living. So if anything, their take home goes up, not down. You see, more taxes just means more money for the government to spend, and since most federal workers are democrats, they never met a tax they did not like, and taxes are the one essential element to the continuity of government.

THAT IS THE REAL DANGER to having a private sector business guy like Trump in office and why they fear him so much--- as a businessman, he cannot help but see the absolute joke between how government demands business run an ironclad tight grip accounting for every penny while they throw billions around hand over fist with nary a concern for accounting for any of it.

Just remember, every nickel lost in "bad accounting" and "bureaucratic fog" is another nickel pilfered somewhere by someone and pocketed. Government is what democrats do to stay in business and earn a living--- strip government down to run efficient like a business and the democrat party (and much of the GOP) all die.

 

[PoliticalChic]

For working class people, Federal Income Tax is not really an issue. If you earn less than fifty grand, you are probably paying more in FICA, Medicare and state & local taxes than you are FIT.

It is unfortunate that the culture promotes the paradigm of "get a job to earn a living," when entrepreneurship is by far the best avenue to prosperity (and financial ruin, but that's another story).

The two-income family, now considered almost mandatory to keep your family's head above water, takes a significant toll on the culture. Rather than having a mother in the home, supervising play and homework, those tasks fall to either paid caregivers or nobody at all.

Women are taught that they cannot be successful in life unless they have a career, which is a tragic lie.

I pity young people who lack the resources to buy a home, year after year, but the problem keeps getting worse as real estate prices become more and more irrational.

I am so fucking lucky I could shit. Retired and financially secure, with no real health problems.

You couldn't be more wrong if your intention was to be wrong.


I don't know who you consider "working class people,"....but taxes both open and hidden, are killing the American dream.



In both NY and California, top earners pay over 60% of their earnings in taxes, and lots of others the same but don't realize it:
Taxes, taxation: What if you find that based on Federal taxes, state taxes, local taxes, gas tax, sales tax, parking fees, license fees, speed cameras, tolls, hidden taxes of all sorts......
....and the insidious tax, inflation.........amounted to more than half your income at least?

Taxation to the point of slavery......or, at least serfdom.


"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.".Lenin

 

[Woodznutz]

Glad to help. Any honest listener knew what Obama meant.

"You didn't build that" is a phrase from a 2012 election campaign speech delivered by United States President Barack Obama on July 13, 2012, in Roanoke, Virginia. In the speech, Obama said: "Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that."
The sentence "If you've got a business, you didn't build that" was publicized by his political opponents during the 2012 presidential campaign as an attack by Obama on business and entrepreneurs.[1][2][3] The Obama campaign responded that the criticisms were taking the phrase out of context, and the word "that" in the phrase was referring to the construction of "roads and bridges" in the previous sentence.[4]

 

[PoliticalChic]

"You didn't build that", is one of the most misquoted political statements ever made.

Perhaps you don't understand it, or the term "sophistry" (the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.)


It means that no matter how hard you work, how many jobs, how much schooling you put in and are paying for, big government owns you.


"You didn't buld that" and it is an accurate quote, is the Democrat view that they LET YOU EARN YOUR SALARY.


Put another way:


.The attitude of the FDR government, and Democrats in general, can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[All of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism




I guess that's your view, too.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Glad to help. Any honest listener knew what Obama meant.

"You didn't build that" is a phrase from a 2012 election campaign speech delivered by United States President Barack Obama on July 13, 2012, in Roanoke, Virginia. In the speech, Obama said: "Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that."
The sentence "If you've got a business, you didn't build that" was publicized by his political opponents during the 2012 presidential campaign as an attack by Obama on business and entrepreneurs.[1][2][3] The Obama campaign responded that the criticisms were taking the phrase out of context, and the word "that" in the phrase was referring to the construction of "roads and bridges" in the previous sentence.[4]

You said it was "misquoted."

Now you are admitting it was accurately quoted.


AI Overview

To misquote someone or something means to report or repeat what they said or wrote in a way that is inaccurate or incorrect. It essentially means quoting something incorrectly, either by altering the original words or by misrepresenting the meaning.


Clearly you were misquoting yourself.

 

[Woodznutz]

Perhaps you don't understand it, or the term "sophistry" (the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.)


It means that no matter how hard you work, how many jobs, how much schooling you put in and are paying for, big government owns you.


"You didn't buld that" and it is an accurate quote, is the Democrat view that they LET YOU EARN YOUR SALARY.


Put another way:


.The attitude of the FDR government, and Democrats in general, can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[All of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism




I guess that's your view, too.

Let's unpack it little farther. While the people in fact did build the infrastructure needed for success in most businesses it required more than the present generation's contributions to accomplish it. Present success is built upon several to many past generation's contributions to the general infrastructure needed for continued success. In other words, this generation didn't have to start from scratch, or reinvent the wheel, to succeed. Our success is build on the shoulders of those who came before.

That said what Obama meant under his breath isn't fully known.

 

[Woodznutz]

You said it was "misquoted."

Now you are admitting it was accurately quoted.


AI Overview

To misquote someone or something means to report or repeat what they said or wrote in a way that is inaccurate or incorrect. It essentially means quoting something incorrectly, either by altering the original words or by misrepresenting the meaning.


Clearly you were misquoting yourself.

You started this by misquoting what Obama meant.

 

[IM2]

We all know that Obama was talking about the grids, the streets, and the infrastructure that allows those businesses to exist. But you guys are purposefully dumb to what is said by people who don't follow your insanity, nd you make up things for people who do. This is another long-winded idiot thread.

 

[mamooth]

Wait ...

Is PC actually pretending to have ever held an actual job, other than raking in the rubles?

Come on. Nobody is going to fall for story that crazy.

 

[Moonglow]

.....well then, you might actually vote Democrat.



1. When you work hard and earn a living for you and the family, you may not realize that, according to the Democrats, that isn't your money- than's their money that they let you hold on to temporarily.


2. And they justify it as sophists do: ""You didn't build that" is a phrase from a 2012 election campaign speech delivered by United States President Barack Obama on July 13, 2012, in Roanoke, Virginia. If you've got a business, you didn't build that."
And that salary? You didn't earn that......we let you borrow it.


3. A post today from one of the usual liars:
"The main reason why families today don't have five kids like my parents did is that they can't afford them. That is because for the last 50 years, Republicans/Conservatives/Corporate America have been systematically destroying unions and workers' rights."
Politics And Robots post #35


4. He is right that taxes make two earners per family a necessity.....but it's Democrats, "tax and spend" that is responsible
Everybody knows they, Democrats/Fascisets are called the "tax and spend Democrats."
The NYTimes wrote this about the guy you called God, Jesus and the messiah...Obama
"But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” Education of a President (Published 2010)


5.And Democrats just hate to give "their money" back.
AI Overview
While there isn't a single, precise figure quantifying how often Democrats have voted for tax cuts, historical evidence suggests they have often voted against them, particularly when it comes to broad, across-the-board tax cuts. However, there have been instances where Democrats have supported tax cuts, often in specific contexts or as part of broader deals.

Here's a more detailed look:

• General Opposition:
  Democrats have a history of opposing tax cuts, especially those that primarily benefit wealthy individuals or corporations, according to the White House.

Tariff and spend are the MAGATs official capacity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's unpack it little farther. While the people in fact did build the infrastructure needed for success in most businesses it required more than the present generation's contributions to accomplish it. Present success is built upon several to many past generation's contributions to the general infrastructure needed for continued success. In other words, this generation didn't have to start from scratch, or reinvent the wheel, to succeed. Our success is build on the shoulders of those who came before.

That said what Obama meant under his breath isn't fully known.

Here's the American view: government works for us if it works at all......citizens are not serfs, we don't work for the governent.

The bigger the government, the smaller, and less important the individual is. Taxes are designed to make government bigger.

If you buy the sophistry of Obama and the Democrats, then you don't understand how America was meant to be.

 

[Winston]

.....well then, you might actually vote Democrat.



1. When you work hard and earn a living for you and the family, you may not realize that, according to the Democrats, that isn't your money- than's their money that they let you hold on to temporarily.


2. And they justify it as sophists do: ""You didn't build that" is a phrase from a 2012 election campaign speech delivered by United States President Barack Obama on July 13, 2012, in Roanoke, Virginia. If you've got a business, you didn't build that."
And that salary? You didn't earn that......we let you borrow it.

I see you are at it again, misrepresenting that quote. Par for the course I guess. Here is the quote,

"Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that."
You didn't build it ALONE, that is what he meant, and it seems pretty clear to me. And he didn't say a damn think about one's salary, let alone not earning it. You made that shit up out of whole cloth. Well, not you. I doubt you are intelligent enough to make up the bed. You're like a psychotic parrot.

Putting Mitt Romney's attacks on 'You didn't build that' to the Truth-O-Meter

For nearly two weeks, the Romney and Obama campaign have been arguing about whether President Barack Obama insulted entr

www.politifact.com

More than a decade fact-checkers put your claim to rest. Yet here you are, trotting out the same old long dead horse. That is poof, you don't have an Ivy League education. You might have a private elementary education, one of backwards ass religious schools, probably believe dinosaurs and man roamed the earth together some six thousand years ago.

3. A post today from one of the usual liars:
"The main reason why families today don't have five kids like my parents did is that they can't afford them. That is because for the last 50 years, Republicans/Conservatives/Corporate America have been systematically destroying unions and workers' rights."
Politics And Robots post #35


4. He is right that taxes make two earners per family a necessity.....but it's Democrats, "tax and spend" that is responsible
Everybody knows they, Democrats/Fascisets are called the "tax and spend Democrats."
The NYTimes wrote this about the guy you called God, Jesus and the messiah...Obama
"But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” Education of a President (Published 2010)


5.And Democrats just hate to give "their money" back.
AI Overview
While there isn't a single, precise figure quantifying how often Democrats have voted for tax cuts, historical evidence suggests they have often voted against them, particularly when it comes to broad, across-the-board tax cuts. However, there have been instances where Democrats have supported tax cuts, often in specific contexts or as part of broader deals.

Here's a more detailed look:

• General Opposition:
  Democrats have a history of opposing tax cuts, especially those that primarily benefit wealthy individuals or corporations, according to the White House.

Tax and spend Democrats. You mean Republicans don't tax and spend? I mean do you ever listen to yourself. No Republicans cut taxes and spend, they just borrow the money. You know why? Because their wealthy supporters figured out, about the time Reagan was elected, that it was better to loan money to the government , at interest, than pay taxes.

People have to work two jobs, not because of the taxes they pay, but because a common laborer job, a low-level job, good God Almighty, even management jobs, the local bank president, they don't pay SHIT compared to what they paid before Reagan. That, and well, nobody knows how to cook anymore, the food supply chain has been vertically integrated, other businesses have consolidated, oligopolies exist throughout thanks to "de-regulation", and the finance industry takes like three times the share of the economy it used to take without giving anything in return.

I mean to sum up your post. Obama said you didn't build that. Democrats believe you don't earn your paycheck. Democrats tax and spend, I really like this statement,

While there is no single, precise figure--in other words, you got nothing. You got no proof. You are just throwing shit up against the wall hoping it sticks, except it is old shit, dried out shit, of course it is not going to stick. Here, go find your proof.



Column N follows every single tax bill that changed income tax rates. Look up the bills, review the roll-calls, maybe you can prove your point. Until then, STFU.

Want to know what the problem is, find it here.

GINI Index for the United States

Graph and download economic data for GINI Index for the United States (SIPOVGINIUSA) from 1963 to 2023 about gini, indexes, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

I will be happy to explain it to you. I know you couldn't possibly comprehend it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You started this by misquoting what Obama meant.

I use language with the precision of a UN translator.

I wish you did.

I never misquoted, stop lying.

 

[Woodznutz]

I use language with the precision of a UN translator.

I wish you did.

I never misquoted, stop lying.

Sorry, you misinterpreted Obama's statement.

 

[PoliticalChic]

We all know that Obama was talking about the grids, the streets, and the infrastructure that allows those businesses to exist. But you guys are purposefully dumb to what is said by people who don't follow your insanity, nd you make up things for people who do. This is another long-winded idiot thread.

How much should the governmnt take of what one earns?

Whatever it wants?

Is there a limit?

You like being a slave?

Do you ever read? How about this: