If We Close Down All Mosques; Eliminate All Korans. THEN What ?

[Syriusly]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained.

Would Muslims regroup and finally choose a new name for their creed ? (one that doesn't mean "Submission") Would they finally reform their "religion" (if it could be called that), and change away from the stuff that's in the Koran ?

Could the United States be the leader in the world, whereby American Muslims would lead the way for the non-American Ummah and create a whole new pathway, with a fully edited/reformed Koran ? Before anyone jumps in to answer this, with a positive outlook, be advised. A word of caution. The current Koran, containing just about every vile thing known to man, and advocating these things (if not commanding them), is considered by Muslims to be the word of God (which cannot be changed, in their view). And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

To start with, it would violate the Constitution.

Honesty about what Islam is and teaches is a far better idea. Obama needs to quite lying. We need to be honest about the acts of the Warlord Muhammad, the foundation of conquest that Islam is built on, and the provisions of the Koran encouraging murder, rape, and slavery.

Decent Muslims have already rejected these parts of Islam, if Islam is to survive, all Muslims must reject these tenets.

Quite the contrary, it violates the Constitution (Article 6, section 2) for the mosques to be in operation, and for Korans to be available.

Quite contrary- what you are proposing violates the First Amendment of the Constitution.

 

[Coyote]

I work for a public university - we don't give perferential treatment to foreign natoinals

I find that hard to believe.

Bet you'll claim you don't have race quotas either.

I know for a fact we don't give preferential treatment to foreign students because I work with graduate admissions for our department so I can speak to that. We also don't have quotas in our graduate program.

There could be quotas in the UG program, but I don't deal with that.

 

[protectionist]

NO you do NOT have a legally protected right to be Muslim. .

Yes- every American has the Constitutionally protected right to be a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or a Mormon or a Buddhist or a Janist or whatever religion that American chooses to follow.

You happen to believe that you can avoid that by arbitrarily declaring a religion is not a religion.

Can't you read ? See Posts 96 & 108. What a strange thread. I give you information. You ignore it, and continue to post false stuff, that I have repeatedly corrected.

The Constittuion does protect the right of belonging to a religion, and the law can punish people who violate that right and bring harm to people.

Which means it can punish Islam which violates that right and brings harm to people.

Which means if you harm Muslims for being Muslims, you can be prosecuted.

Not at all. In fact Muslims can be "harmed " by being arrested for violating the Supremacy Clause & US Codes 2384 & 2385. And you're going OFF TOPIC. We're supposed to be talking about what happens AFTER the closing of the mosques, and eradication of all Korans. THAT is the TOPIC.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I work for a public university - we don't give perferential treatment to foreign natoinals

I find that hard to believe.

Bet you'll claim you don't have race quotas either.

Your opinions are useless.

 

[Coyote]

Yes- every American has the Constitutionally protected right to be a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or a Mormon or a Buddhist or a Janist or whatever religion that American chooses to follow.

You happen to believe that you can avoid that by arbitrarily declaring a religion is not a religion.

Can't you read ? See Posts 96 & 108. What a strange thread. I give you information. You ignore it, and continue to post false stuff, that I have repeatedly corrected.

The Constittuion does protect the right of belonging to a religion, and the law can punish people who violate that right and bring harm to people.

Which means it can punish Islam which violates that right and brings harm to people.

Which means if you harm Muslims for being Muslims, you can be prosecuted.

Not at all. In fact Muslims can be "harmed " by being arrested for violating the Supremacy Clause & US Codes 2384 & 2385. And you're going OFF TOPIC. We're supposed to be talking about what happens AFTER the closing of the mosques, and eradication of all Korans. THAT is the TOPIC.

Then tell us what happens AFTERWARDS?

Are you going to round up Muslims who still attempt to worship in their homes or private enclaves? Are you going to arrest them if they keep a Koran? Are you going to need to find some way to clearly identify them so you can keep an eye on their secret activities? What are you going to do?

 

[Syriusly]

Yes- every American has the Constitutionally protected right to be a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or a Mormon or a Buddhist or a Janist or whatever religion that American chooses to follow.

You happen to believe that you can avoid that by arbitrarily declaring a religion is not a religion.

Can't you read ? See Posts 96 & 108. What a strange thread. I give you information. You ignore it, and continue to post false stuff, that I have repeatedly corrected.

The Constittuion does protect the right of belonging to a religion, and the law can punish people who violate that right and bring harm to people.

Which means it can punish Islam which violates that right and brings harm to people.

Which means if you harm Muslims for being Muslims, you can be prosecuted.

Not at all. In fact Muslims can be "harmed " by being arrested for violating the Supremacy Clause & US Codes 2384 & 2385. And you're going OFF TOPIC. We're supposed to be talking about what happens AFTER the closing of the mosques, and eradication of all Korans. THAT is the TOPIC.

Okay- after the closing of mosques and eradication of all Korans, you and your fellow travellers are all arrested for violating the Constitutional rights of Americans, prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned.

And the mosques reopen, and we import more korans- though we wouldn't ever be able to replace Thomas Jefferson's historic Koran that you burned in your own special Krystalnacht for Muslims.

 

[protectionist]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained.

Would Muslims regroup and finally choose a new name for their creed ? (one that doesn't mean "Submission") Would they finally reform their "religion" (if it could be called that), and change away from the stuff that's in the Koran ?

Could the United States be the leader in the world, whereby American Muslims would lead the way for the non-American Ummah and create a whole new pathway, with a fully edited/reformed Koran ? Before anyone jumps in to answer this, with a positive outlook, be advised. A word of caution. The current Koran, containing just about every vile thing known to man, and advocating these things (if not commanding them), is considered by Muslims to be the word of God (which cannot be changed, in their view). And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

To start with, it would violate the Constitution.

Honesty about what Islam is and teaches is a far better idea. Obama needs to quite lying. We need to be honest about the acts of the Warlord Muhammad, the foundation of conquest that Islam is built on, and the provisions of the Koran encouraging murder, rape, and slavery.

Decent Muslims have already rejected these parts of Islam, if Islam is to survive, all Muslims must reject these tenets.

Quite the contrary, it violates the Constitution (Article 6, section 2) for the mosques to be in operation, and for Korans to be available.

Quite contrary- what you are proposing violates the First Amendment of the Constitution.

I am reporting you for harassment, based on your continual repitition of words which have been refuted about 10 times in this thread. Do you expect somebody to just go back & forth on this with you ? Thtat's not how forums work, You are in violation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not at all. In fact Muslims can be "harmed " by being arrested for violating the Supremacy Clause & US Codes 2384 & 2385. And you're going OFF TOPIC. We're supposed to be talking about what happens AFTER the closing of the mosques, and eradication of all Korans. THAT is the TOPIC.

Report away, Sherlock. I expect you to stay in reality.

There is no Supremacy Clause and Codes interpreted your way, Protectionists. There will never be a closing of mosques, thus any discussion about what happens after something that will never happen reveals your brain is boiling in a meth soup.

 

[Syriusly]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained.

Would Muslims regroup and finally choose a new name for their creed ? (one that doesn't mean "Submission") Would they finally reform their "religion" (if it could be called that), and change away from the stuff that's in the Koran ?

Could the United States be the leader in the world, whereby American Muslims would lead the way for the non-American Ummah and create a whole new pathway, with a fully edited/reformed Koran ? Before anyone jumps in to answer this, with a positive outlook, be advised. A word of caution. The current Koran, containing just about every vile thing known to man, and advocating these things (if not commanding them), is considered by Muslims to be the word of God (which cannot be changed, in their view). And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

To start with, it would violate the Constitution.

Honesty about what Islam is and teaches is a far better idea. Obama needs to quite lying. We need to be honest about the acts of the Warlord Muhammad, the foundation of conquest that Islam is built on, and the provisions of the Koran encouraging murder, rape, and slavery.

Decent Muslims have already rejected these parts of Islam, if Islam is to survive, all Muslims must reject these tenets.

Quite the contrary, it violates the Constitution (Article 6, section 2) for the mosques to be in operation, and for Korans to be available.

Quite contrary- what you are proposing violates the First Amendment of the Constitution.

I am reporting you for harassment, based on your continual repitition of words which have been refuted about 10 times in this thread. Do you expect somebody to just go back & forth on this with you ? Thtat's not how forums work, You are in violation.

What a whiny baby.

You just can't handle the truth

Quite contrary- what you are proposing violates the First Amendment of the Constitution.

 

[protectionist]

Can't you read ? See Posts 96 & 108. What a strange thread. I give you information. You ignore it, and continue to post false stuff, that I have repeatedly corrected.

The Constittuion does protect the right of belonging to a religion, and the law can punish people who violate that right and bring harm to people.

Which means it can punish Islam which violates that right and brings harm to people.

Which means if you harm Muslims for being Muslims, you can be prosecuted.

Not at all. In fact Muslims can be "harmed " by being arrested for violating the Supremacy Clause & US Codes 2384 & 2385. And you're going OFF TOPIC. We're supposed to be talking about what happens AFTER the closing of the mosques, and eradication of all Korans. THAT is the TOPIC.

Then tell us what happens AFTERWARDS?

Are you going to round up Muslims who still attempt to worship in their homes or private enclaves? Are you going to arrest them if they keep a Koran? Are you going to need to find some way to clearly identify them so you can keep an eye on their secret activities? What are you going to do?

That is for YOU to do. That's YOUR job here. I posed the question (Notice the title ends in a QUESTION MARK ?)

 

[protectionist]

What would be the effect of shutting Islam down in the US ? That is, by closing down all the mosques and eliminating all the Korans from libraries, schools, bookstores, and wherever they could be obtained.

Would Muslims regroup and finally choose a new name for their creed ? (one that doesn't mean "Submission") Would they finally reform their "religion" (if it could be called that), and change away from the stuff that's in the Koran ?

Could the United States be the leader in the world, whereby American Muslims would lead the way for the non-American Ummah and create a whole new pathway, with a fully edited/reformed Koran ? Before anyone jumps in to answer this, with a positive outlook, be advised. A word of caution. The current Koran, containing just about every vile thing known to man, and advocating these things (if not commanding them), is considered by Muslims to be the word of God (which cannot be changed, in their view). And in 1400 years, not one word of the Koran has ever been changed.

To start with, it would violate the Constitution.

Honesty about what Islam is and teaches is a far better idea. Obama needs to quite lying. We need to be honest about the acts of the Warlord Muhammad, the foundation of conquest that Islam is built on, and the provisions of the Koran encouraging murder, rape, and slavery.

Decent Muslims have already rejected these parts of Islam, if Islam is to survive, all Muslims must reject these tenets.

Quite the contrary, it violates the Constitution (Article 6, section 2) for the mosques to be in operation, and for Korans to be available.

Quite contrary- what you are proposing violates the First Amendment of the Constitution.

I am reporting you for harassment, based on your continual repitition of words which have been refuted about 10 times in this thread. Do you expect somebody to just go back & forth on this with you ? Thtat's not how forums work, You are in violation.

What a whiny baby.

You just can't handle the truth

Quite contrary- what you are proposing violates the First Amendment of the Constitution.

Reported

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

Not at all. In fact Muslims can be "harmed " by being arrested for violating the Supremacy Clause & US Codes 2384 & 2385. And you're going OFF TOPIC. We're supposed to be talking about what happens AFTER the closing of the mosques, and eradication of all Korans. THAT is the TOPIC.

I've already told you what the Supremacy Clause is. I'll reiterate: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding." It has nothing to do with religion. The only way you could make this work is if there were some Muslims trying to base state laws on shari'ah, like how many Christians are trying to force Bible-based laws on their states.

Terrorism and conspiracy to commit terrorism are crimes. Attempting to overthrow the legitimate government of this nation is a crime, as is attempting to recruit someone else to do so. Believing in a religion that holds world domination as a future goal is not. It's not illegal to be a Communist either, and Communism ultimately advocates the replacement of the various governments with a global state as well. What is illegal is acting or attempting to act on these beliefs. USC 2384* and USC 2385** would only apply to those actually doing so.

*"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

**"Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof — Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons."

 

[protectionist]

Not at all. In fact Muslims can be "harmed " by being arrested for violating the Supremacy Clause & US Codes 2384 & 2385. And you're going OFF TOPIC. We're supposed to be talking about what happens AFTER the closing of the mosques, and eradication of all Korans. THAT is the TOPIC.

Report away, Sherlock. I expect you to stay in reality.

There is no Supremacy Clause and Codes interpreted your way, Protectionists. There will never be a closing of mosques, thus any discussion about what happens after something that will never happen reveals your brain is boiling in a meth soup.

There is no "interpreted" HA HA. Islamapologists love to use that word. Tactic went out of style about 7 years ago. You didn't get the memo ?

 

[Coyote]

The Constittuion does protect the right of belonging to a religion, and the law can punish people who violate that right and bring harm to people.

Which means it can punish Islam which violates that right and brings harm to people.

Which means if you harm Muslims for being Muslims, you can be prosecuted.

Not at all. In fact Muslims can be "harmed " by being arrested for violating the Supremacy Clause & US Codes 2384 & 2385. And you're going OFF TOPIC. We're supposed to be talking about what happens AFTER the closing of the mosques, and eradication of all Korans. THAT is the TOPIC.

Then tell us what happens AFTERWARDS?

Are you going to round up Muslims who still attempt to worship in their homes or private enclaves? Are you going to arrest them if they keep a Koran? Are you going to need to find some way to clearly identify them so you can keep an eye on their secret activities? What are you going to do?

That is for YOU to do. That's YOUR job here. I posed the question (Notice the title ends in a QUESTION MARK ?)

You set up a mythical situation where a religion could be banned. Surely you must have ideas - don't be shy now.

You want my answer? American's band together to restore the Constitution's protection of religion. We protest, allow Muslims to worship in our homes, hide them from arrest, join them and show solidarity with our fellow Americans and make sure every politician who voted for this is voted out.

 

[koshergrl]

Doesn't matter as this is unconstitutional. You have a legally protected right to be Muslim and observe the non-violent aspects of Islam.

NO you do NOT have a legally protected right to be Muslim. And since the Muslim ideology (masquerading as a religion) is supremacist, it is therefore unconstitutional/illegal.

Just because you don't believe a religion is not a religion does mean it's not. It's legally protected under the Constitution of this country along with your own faith.

FALSE! NOTHING that is supremacist (including religions) is protected under the Constitution, and all supremacisms (religions or whatever are banned by the Supremacy clause).

Then you're going to have to ban a bunch of religions including your own.

Not true.

 

[protectionist]

Not at all. In fact Muslims can be "harmed " by being arrested for violating the Supremacy Clause & US Codes 2384 & 2385. And you're going OFF TOPIC. We're supposed to be talking about what happens AFTER the closing of the mosques, and eradication of all Korans. THAT is the TOPIC.

I've already told you what the Supremacy Clause is. I'll reiterate: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding." It has nothing to do with religion. The only way you could make this work is if there were some Muslims trying to base state laws on shari'ah, like how many Christians are trying to force Bible-based laws on their states.

Terrorism and conspiracy to commit terrorism are crimes. Attempting to overthrow the legitimate government of this nation is a crime. Believing in a religion that holds world domination as a future goal is not. It's not illegal to be a Communist either, and Communism ultimately advocates the replacement of the various governments with a global state as well. What is illegal is acting or attempting to act on these beliefs. USC 2384* and USC 2385** would only apply to those actually doing so.

*"If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."

**"Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof — Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction. As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons."

What are you babbling about ? I didn't say the Supremacy clause has anything to do with religion. It has to do with supremacisms (of which Islam is one) and it bans them. Simple as that. And Islam is also in violation of the US Codes you posted (2384 & 2385) Everyone knows that.

 

[koshergrl]

Which means it can punish Islam which violates that right and brings harm to people.

Which means if you harm Muslims for being Muslims, you can be prosecuted.

Not at all. In fact Muslims can be "harmed " by being arrested for violating the Supremacy Clause & US Codes 2384 & 2385. And you're going OFF TOPIC. We're supposed to be talking about what happens AFTER the closing of the mosques, and eradication of all Korans. THAT is the TOPIC.

Then tell us what happens AFTERWARDS?

Are you going to round up Muslims who still attempt to worship in their homes or private enclaves? Are you going to arrest them if they keep a Koran? Are you going to need to find some way to clearly identify them so you can keep an eye on their secret activities? What are you going to do?

That is for YOU to do. That's YOUR job here. I posed the question (Notice the title ends in a QUESTION MARK ?)

You set up a mythical situation where a religion could be banned. Surely you must have ideas - don't be shy now.

You want my answer? American's band together to restore the Constitution's protection of religion. We protest, allow Muslims to worship in our homes, hide them from arrest, join them and show solidarity with our fellow Americans and make sure every politician who voted for this is voted out.

Yes, well you're an idiot.

We don't arrest muslims for being muslims. The French did this shit, and look what it got them.

Thank goodness, the majority of the population in this country recognize what a stupid, and dangerous, thing it is to accommodate extremism.

 

[Pedro de San Patricio]

What are you babbling about ? I didn't say the Supremacy clause has anything to do with religion. It has to do with supremacisms (of which Islam is one) and it bans them. Simple as that. And Islam is also in violation of the US Codes you posted (2384 & 2385) Everyone knows that.

It literally doesn't. I've posted it twice now. Have you still not read it? It's about the supremacy of federal law over state law.

 

[protectionist]

Which means it can punish Islam which violates that right and brings harm to people.

Which means if you harm Muslims for being Muslims, you can be prosecuted.

Not at all. In fact Muslims can be "harmed " by being arrested for violating the Supremacy Clause & US Codes 2384 & 2385. And you're going OFF TOPIC. We're supposed to be talking about what happens AFTER the closing of the mosques, and eradication of all Korans. THAT is the TOPIC.

Then tell us what happens AFTERWARDS?

Are you going to round up Muslims who still attempt to worship in their homes or private enclaves? Are you going to arrest them if they keep a Koran? Are you going to need to find some way to clearly identify them so you can keep an eye on their secret activities? What are you going to do?

That is for YOU to do. That's YOUR job here. I posed the question (Notice the title ends in a QUESTION MARK ?)

You set up a mythical situation where a religion could be banned. Surely you must have ideas - don't be shy now.

You want my answer? American's band together to restore the Constitution's protection of religion. We protest, allow Muslims to worship in our homes, hide them from arrest, join them and show solidarity with our fellow Americans and make sure every politician who voted for this is voted out.

You sound like you're babbling too. I don't even know what on earth you're saying. Look, it's simple, Any religion, any cult, any ideology could be banned, if, like Islam, it is supremacist.

 

[protectionist]

What are you babbling about ? I didn't say the Supremacy clause has anything to do with religion. It has to do with supremacisms (of which Islam is one) and it bans them. Simple as that. And Islam is also in violation of the US Codes you posted (2384 & 2385) Everyone knows that.

It literally doesn't. I've posted it twice now. Have you still not read it? It's about the supremacy of federal law over state law.

Of course it does. That's part of what the Supremacy clause does (and the main thing it does) And yes, it also talks about federal and state law. So what ? That doesn't mean it doesn't say what it says about the Constitution being the supreme law of the land (thereby banning all supremacisms)