If voters don’t feel relief, the economy isn’t fixed

[iamwhatiseem]

Indicators were pointing that the economy was doing good in 2024 too. In fact, a lot of indicators were doing better.

But all Trump and Republicans did was scream about the economy then.

So maybe this is a problem of your own making?

So two wrongs equals a right then?
That is your stance.
LOL

 

[Marener]

So two wrongs equals a right then?
That is your stance.
LOL

I’m just saying that Trump might have set expectations and he’s failing to live up to them.

 

[martybegan]

You’re just desperately trying to avoid the point.

Trump said the economy is shit in 2024, and he was elected because people agreed with him.

Nothings really changed, so why would you expect the people to change their mind about the state of the economy?

Things are changing, you just pretend otherwise.

All you guys can do is scream "things are still terrible" and hope for the worst.

Kind of pathetic actually.

 

[Delldude]

Indicators were pointing that the economy was doing good in 2024 too. In fact, a lot of indicators were doing better.

Yet suddenly in November 2024 inflation unexpectedly started to rise and carried into 2025.

Why was that?

 

[Marener]

Things are changing, you just pretend otherwise.

All you guys can do is scream "things are still terrible" and hope for the worst.

Kind of pathetic actually.

The data doesn’t show anything is really changing. There’s very little job growth, maybe none. Inflation is the same. Wages are barely creeping up. The stock market did well this year, but not quite as good as last year.

What are you talking about?

 

[Delldude]

The stock market did well this year, but not quite as good as last year.

Tariff bedwetting.

 

[martybegan]

The data doesn’t show anything is really changing. There’s very little job growth, maybe none. Inflation is the same. Wages are barely creeping up. The stock market did well this year, but not quite as good as last year.

What are you talking about?

US economy unexpectedly surges 4.3% in third quarter — its strongest growth in two years

U.S. Economy Smashed Q2 Forecasts As Shoppers Went On A Spending Spree

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I’m just saying that Trump might have set expectations and he’s failing to live up to them.

I'm just saying that is what every President has done since 1789.

Fact: The economy is recovering from the Covid over-reaction.
2025 has been one of the more stable economic years in modern times.
Solid indicators the entire year. And yes, 2024 was also. So what?
You all would be screaming about the economy even if Trump did everything he said. You would find something.
And yes, Republicans would do the same. You are basically saying you are no better.

 

[Mac1958]

An economy is almost always going to be mixed. So putting blame or credit on One Guy is a dumb idea. Cherry-pick the numbers all you want.

Trump can brag about his numbers (again), but we know that he's spending big (again), now the Fed is stepping in to help with QE (again), and the rich are getting richer quickly (again).

And we also know that wealth disparities are increasing, younger Americans are finding it tougher and tougher (First-Time Home Buyer Share Falls to Historic Low of 21%, Median Age Rises to 40), and no one in DC is providing smart solutions. And we still don't know the full effect of the inflated tariffs, because the layoffs are still happening.

But since everything is hyper-politicized now, there's no reason to think anything will change any time soon. That's our own fault.

 

[Marener]

US economy unexpectedly surges 4.3% in third quarter — its strongest growth in two years

U.S. Economy Smashed Q2 Forecasts As Shoppers Went On A Spending Spree

That’s good, but you still had to dig yourself out of the hole from Q1. GDP growth in 2024 was like 2.8%, which is pretty good too.

 

[martybegan]

That’s good, but you still had to dig yourself out of the hole from Q1. GDP growth in 2024 was like 2.8%, which is pretty good too.

Q1 2025 won't mean anything if this continues into Q2 and Q3 of 2026.

It's all about the midterms.

 

[Marener]

I'm just saying that is what every President has done since 1789.

Fact: The economy is recovering from the Covid over-reaction.
2025 has been one of the more stable economic years in modern times.
Solid indicators the entire year. And yes, 2024 was also. So what?
You all would be screaming about the economy even if Trump did everything he said. You would find something.
And yes, Republicans would do the same. You are basically saying you are no better.

2024 was stable. 2025 was really chaotic with the tariff craziness. GDP growth in Q1 contracted.

Your criticism of the media and the Dems rings pretty hollow when you admit your side does the exact same thing.

Know what I think? The media and politicians don’t tell people how to think about the economy. People’s opinions about the economy isn’t that easy.

Even though economic indicators are fine, people don’t think the economy is fine and a lot of people are trying pretty hard to figure out why that is. As far as I can tell, no one has really figured it out.

 

[martybegan]

2024 was stable. 2025 was really chaotic with the tariff craziness. GDP growth in Q1 contracted.

Your criticism of the media and the Dems rings pretty hollow when you admit your side does the exact same thing.

Know what I think? The media and politicians don’t tell people how to think about the economy. People’s opinions about the economy isn’t that easy.

Even though economic indicators are fine, people don’t think the economy is fine and a lot of people are trying pretty hard to figure out why that is. As far as I can tell, no one has really figured it out.

The stock market was chaotic for a few months, then settled down.

Are you saying we should never try to fix any trade issues if there is a chance the stock markets get a short term case of the jitters?

 

[Marener]

Q1 2025 won't mean anything if this continues into Q2 and Q3 of 2026.

It's all about the midterms.

Assuming it will continue may be a bit foolish.

I don’t think GDP growth affects people’s perception of the economy as directly as you think.

 

[Marener]

The stock market was chaotic for a few months, then settled down.

Are you saying we should never try to fix any trade issues if there is a chance the stock markets get a short term case of the jitters?

I’m saying 2025 wasn’t “stable”. Trump’s tariff regime was chaotic. It’s calmed down now, but don’t pretend like it didn’t happen.

Now sure you guys “fixed” anything with the chaos. Just made things more complicated and difficult for people.

 

[martybegan]

Assuming it will continue may be a bit foolish.

I don’t think GDP growth affects people’s perception of the economy as directly as you think.

The Right is betting on it continuing so we win the midterms.

You are betting on things going wrong or at least pretending that they are going wrong and people buying it.

 

[martybegan]

I’m saying 2025 wasn’t “stable”. Trump’s tariff regime was chaotic. It’s calmed down now, but don’t pretend like it didn’t happen.

Now sure you guys “fixed” anything with the chaos. Just made things more complicated and difficult for people.

For a few months, and if people were smart they bought stocks when they were low and made some $$

Your opinion is noted and dismissed as the mewling of a stupid SJW twit.

 

[Marener]

The Right is betting on it continuing so we win the midterms.

You are betting on things going wrong or at least pretending that they are going wrong and people buying it.

I’m trying to figure out why economic data doesn’t seem to correlate to public perception.

If GDP growth in 2024 didn’t correlate to good vibes, why would it in 2026?

 

[Marener]

For a few months, and if people were smart they bought stocks when they were low and made some $$

Your opinion is noted and dismissed as the mewling of a stupid SJW twit.

Stock market returns don’t correlate to public perception.

If a growing market in 2024 didn’t result in good vibes, why would it in 2025?

The point you’re missing is that nothing has fundamentally changed but you want people to change their minds about the economy. It doesn’t work that way.

 

[martybegan]

I’m trying to figure out why economic data doesn’t seem to correlate to public perception.

If GDP growth in 2024 didn’t correlate to good vibes, why would it in 2026?

Because reality isn't a movie and things take time to not only be registered by people but to actually filter down from the macro-economic level to the micro-economic level?