If Trump gets the NRA to back down on background checks will you lefties give him credit?

[ABikerSailor]

Who told you that you were whooping my ass? Youre about to swept in the midterms and your head clowns ratings are in the toilet.

Ahahaha you clowns are funny. We kick the crap out of the left, they warn us just you wait until the next election, then we kick the crap out of them again, hilarious.

You are funnier. You just came off an 8 year L and your head clown may not even make it to the end of his term.

We control the House, the Senate, the White House, a conservative majority on the SCOTUS, all you libs can do is whine and cry up in the cheap seats.

If you Republicans control everything, then why can't you get anything done?

Historic tax reform bill PASSED signed into law. Gobs of Obama era regulations wiped off the books. Obamacare half gutted. You people better hope Trump slows down.

I'll give him credit for getting the tax bill passed, but that is about it.

Why? All the other crap he did was via EO's, and those can be changed by the next president who comes in. Those EO's have no real staying power.

Besides.................he said that he was a great dealmaker and would unite Congress and the country. When is that going to start? And, if he's such a great dealmaker, why hasn't he gotten more done via actual legislation?

 

[Cellblock2429]

It's no secret that the NRA has been bucking some of Trumps proposals so if he gets them to come around on the age limit or deeper background checks will you give him credit?
Trump seems incredibly confident that he can get the NRA to come on board and not be an active opponent.

Why not?

But the NRA has agreed to background checks in the past. But background checks with so many loopholes that they are basically useless

If our President can get them agree to background checks that include private sales and gun shows....I will applaud him

/-----/ "background checks that include private sales and gun shows..." You can't be that naive can you?

 

[Dschrute3]

Sure, stricter background checks that violate our privacy are gonna appease the 'Gun Grabbers.' Sure they will.

Folks need to get a grip. Communists/Democrats won't be appeased until they get their total ban and confiscation. Wake the fluck up Gun Owners.

Many Dem leaders have said exactly that, they would like to ban all guns and would if they could.

It's a big part of the Agenda. Have you seen the documentary 'Agenda: Grinding Down America?' If you haven't, you really should. You can watch it on places like Amazon Prime. It lays out the Communist Agenda very clearly. It's an Agenda that's been ongoing in America for almost 100yrs.

Once the Communists seized control of the Democratic Party, there were able to get much of their Agenda accomplished. But they aren't finished. Disarming the Citizenry is big part of their Agenda. They aren't gonna stop at stricter background checks or banning 'Bump Stocks' and AR's. Gun Owners better wake up.

 

[JGalt]

It's no secret that the NRA has been bucking some of Trumps proposals so if he gets them to come around on the age limit or deeper background checks will you give him credit?
Trump seems incredibly confident that he can get the NRA to come on board and not be an active opponent.

The NRA came out against him on the age limit this morning.

Would you support stronger background checks for mental illness etc and that an 18 year old can buy a handgun, rifle etc but they would have to wait until age 21 to buy an assault weapon an AR-15 etc?

The problem with stronger background checks for mental illness is that ultimately, some government bureaucrat gets to decide who is "mentally ill" and who isn't. We've seen this already in every communist dictatorship: Disagree with the government? Then you're "mentally ill".
We've already seen thousands of returning veterans deemed "unfit" to own a firearm because of legislation that was recently passed.

Psychological evaluations are also sketchy, as many people pass them by merely telling the evaluator what they want to hear. They are no less useless than a lie detector test, which many liars easily pass.

True, and no one will ever be able to predict all episodes. But when a person is regularly aggressive and violent and threatening (according to one tipster to L.E., the shooter had held a gun to his mom's head before), there needs to be a way to either get firearms from him/her or keep him/her from buying them.

What addition additional laws would have prevented him from obtaining a firearm? There were already laws on the books that should have prevented that, but they weren't being enforced.

 

[Vastator]

It's no secret that the NRA has been bucking some of Trumps proposals so if he gets them to come around on the age limit or deeper background checks will you give him credit?
Trump seems incredibly confident that he can get the NRA to come on board and not be an active opponent.

The NRA came out against him on the age limit this morning.

Would you support stronger background checks for mental illness etc and that an 18 year old can buy a handgun, rifle etc but they would have to wait until age 21 to buy an assault weapon an AR-15 etc?

The problem with stronger background checks for mental illness is that ultimately, some government bureaucrat gets to decide who is "mentally ill" and who isn't. We've seen this already in every communist dictatorship: Disagree with the government? Then you're "mentally ill".
We've already seen thousands of returning veterans deemed "unfit" to own a firearm because of legislation that was recently passed.

Psychological evaluations are also sketchy, as many people pass them by merely telling the evaluator what they want to hear. They are no less useless than a lie detector test, which many liars easily pass.

True, and no one will ever be able to predict all episodes. But when a person is regularly aggressive and violent and threatening (according to one tipster to L.E., the shooter had held a gun to his mom's head before), there needs to be a way to either get firearms from him/her or keep him/her from buying them.

What addition additional laws would have prevented him from obtaining a firearm? There were already laws on the books that should have prevented that, but they weren't being enforced.

The laws were working fine. Those who were supposed to enforce them chose not to, at multiple levels. And those responsible for the innaction just happen to be Democrats. Now Democrats solution is to infringe on American rights which will disproportionately effect republicans. Conservatives in particular.

 

[Care4all]

I said 2 weeks ago, if any president can make changes it would be Trump....his flock will follow him anywhere, no matter what he does against them....he can get them to flip positions....

hide and watch!

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's no secret that the NRA has been bucking some of Trumps proposals so if he gets them to come around on the age limit or deeper background checks will you give him credit?
Trump seems incredibly confident that he can get the NRA to come on board and not be an active opponent.

The NRA came out against him on the age limit this morning.

Would you support stronger background checks for mental illness etc and that an 18 year old can buy a handgun, rifle etc but they would have to wait until age 21 to buy an assault weapon an AR-15 etc?

The problem with stronger background checks for mental illness is that ultimately, some government bureaucrat gets to decide who is "mentally ill" and who isn't. We've seen this already in every communist dictatorship: Disagree with the government? Then you're "mentally ill".
We've already seen thousands of returning veterans deemed "unfit" to own a firearm because of legislation that was recently passed.

Psychological evaluations are also sketchy, as many people pass them by merely telling the evaluator what they want to hear. They are no less useless than a lie detector test, which many liars easily pass.

True, and no one will ever be able to predict all episodes. But when a person is regularly aggressive and violent and threatening (according to one tipster to L.E., the shooter had held a gun to his mom's head before), there needs to be a way to either get firearms from him/her or keep him/her from buying them.

What addition additional laws would have prevented him from obtaining a firearm? There were already laws on the books that should have prevented that, but they weren't being enforced.

And what laws were they? Which laws would have allowed the confiscation of his guns?

 

[JGalt]

I said 2 weeks ago, if any president can make changes it would be Trump....his flock will follow him anywhere, no matter what he does against them....he can get them to flip positions....

hide and watch!

Why shouldn't we American people follow good leaders? We now have one who is out in front and taking decisive actions on the issues. Unlike the the President we had for 8 years prior, who was merely a campaigner, "community organizer", and led from behind the issues.

Can you name one single piece of action Obama took regarding firearms? Any pieces of legislation, executive actions, or even memos? Meanwhile as Obama was in office, the sales and manufacture of firearms and ammunition spiked to levels previously unseen in this country. Laws were not being enforced, and more schools shootings took place under his presidency.

During the years 2008-2016 there were 133 school shooting. I'm not even mentioning those mass shootings that took place in the workplace or other places, of which there were also an unprecedented number.

Under President GW Bush, there were only 52 school shootings from January 20, 2001 to January 20, 2009. Under the four-year presidency of George Bush Sr. there were a total of 15 school shooting incidents. Under the 8-year Presidency of Bill Clinton there were 55 school shootings.

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

Now what do these figures suggest to you? How do you account for so many school shootings while Obama was President?

 

[NYcarbineer]

so you support bringing back this:

to be sold right alongside the AR15 wherever such are sold....

goddam, how depressing...

Without question. The tax on automatic weapons is unconstitutional. You cannot legally tax a right. You fuckers keep pushing Americans further into a corner; and you're going to receive an education in the intent of the 2nd ammendment like you never imagined possible. When someone tells you not one more inch... It might behoove you to consider that they mean it.

You threatening someone? Cuz it sounds like you are.

Then it's time to get your ears checked. If a rational prediction makes you feel threatened; perhaps your on the wrong path.

I heard you fine and if you weren't talking about exercising your God given right to own weapons, what DID you mean?

Excersizing my god given right to own weapons is considered a threat to you? I've got bad news for you... I didn't issue any threat. Our founding fathers did when they penned the 2A. And make no mistake. It is a threat. A threat to all would be tyrants, who would attempt to infringe on the rights of the American people. So if you feel threatened by the 2A... You should examine your loyalties.

You are insane. Your posts prove it.

 

[JGalt]

Without question. The tax on automatic weapons is unconstitutional. You cannot legally tax a right. You fuckers keep pushing Americans further into a corner; and you're going to receive an education in the intent of the 2nd ammendment like you never imagined possible. When someone tells you not one more inch... It might behoove you to consider that they mean it.

You threatening someone? Cuz it sounds like you are.

Then it's time to get your ears checked. If a rational prediction makes you feel threatened; perhaps your on the wrong path.

I heard you fine and if you weren't talking about exercising your God given right to own weapons, what DID you mean?

Excersizing my god given right to own weapons is considered a threat to you? I've got bad news for you... I didn't issue any threat. Our founding fathers did when they penned the 2A. And make no mistake. It is a threat. A threat to all would be tyrants, who would attempt to infringe on the rights of the American people. So if you feel threatened by the 2A... You should examine your loyalties.

You are insane. Your posts prove it.

No, he's absolutely correct, except for the "threat" part. What our founding fathers penned in the the Second Amendment was not a "threat", it was a promise. A promise to the American citizens that they have the ultimate right to use deadly force against any and all tyrants who would attempt to infringe on the basic rights of American people, to enjoy their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The Second Amendment was also put in place to protect the First Amendment, as securing one's right to free speech is not fought with the pen or the printing press.

 

[Care4all]

I said 2 weeks ago, if any president can make changes it would be Trump....his flock will follow him anywhere, no matter what he does against them....he can get them to flip positions....

hide and watch!

Why shouldn't we American people follow good leaders? We now have one who is out in front and taking decisive actions on the issues. Unlike the the President we had for 8 years prior, who was merely a campaigner, "community organizer", and led from behind the issues.

Can you name one single piece of action Obama took regarding firearms? Any pieces of legislation, executive actions, or even memos? Meanwhile as Obama was in office, the sales and manufacture of firearms and ammunition spiked to levels previously unseen in this country. Laws were not being enforced, and more schools shootings took place under his presidency.

During the years 2008-2016 there were 133 school shooting. I'm not even mentioning those mass shootings that took place in the workplace or other places, of which there were also an unprecedented number.

Under President GW Bush, there were only 52 school shootings from January 20, 2001 to January 20, 2009. Under the four-year presidency of George Bush Sr. there were a total of 15 school shooting incidents. Under the 8-year Presidency of Bill Clinton there were 55 school shootings.

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia

Now what do these figures suggest to you? How do you account for so many school shootings while Obama was President?

so is that a YES, that you will follow Trump, even if he proposes gun control or banning semi automatic rifles or restricting the age of purchase, or making back ground checks stronger and eliminating background check loopholes?

 

[ABikerSailor]

If Trump bans bump stocks and tightens the screening requirements, I will say he finally did something good.

 

[bendog]

You threatening someone? Cuz it sounds like you are.

Then it's time to get your ears checked. If a rational prediction makes you feel threatened; perhaps your on the wrong path.

I heard you fine and if you weren't talking about exercising your God given right to own weapons, what DID you mean?

Excersizing my god given right to own weapons is considered a threat to you? I've got bad news for you... I didn't issue any threat. Our founding fathers did when they penned the 2A. And make no mistake. It is a threat. A threat to all would be tyrants, who would attempt to infringe on the rights of the American people. So if you feel threatened by the 2A... You should examine your loyalties.

You are insane. Your posts prove it.

No, he's absolutely correct, except for the "threat" part. What our founding fathers penned in the the Second Amendment was not a "threat", it was a promise. A promise to the American citizens that they have the ultimate right to use deadly force against any and all tyrants who would attempt to infringe on the basic rights of American people, to enjoy their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The Second Amendment was also put in place to protect the First Amendment, as securing one's right to free speech is not fought with the pen or the printing press.

No one wants your guns.

 

[bendog]

If Trump bans bump stocks and tightens the screening requirements, I will say he finally did something good.

Better late than never, but I'm figuring on never.

 

[mikegriffith1]

I support the NRA and admire the work it does, but the NRA needs to wake up and smell the roses on reasonable precautions like background checks and raising the age for rifles to 21.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's no secret that the NRA has been bucking some of Trumps proposals so if he gets them to come around on the age limit or deeper background checks will you give him credit?
Trump seems incredibly confident that he can get the NRA to come on board and not be an active opponent.

Exactly what is being demanded on background checks that isn't already included, and/or that the NRA opposes?

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's no secret that the NRA has been bucking some of Trumps proposals so if he gets them to come around on the age limit or deeper background checks will you give him credit?
Trump seems incredibly confident that he can get the NRA to come on board and not be an active opponent.

The NRA came out against him on the age limit this morning.

Probably because it's essentially meaningless window-dressing.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's no secret that the NRA has been bucking some of Trumps proposals so if he gets them to come around on the age limit or deeper background checks will you give him credit?
Trump seems incredibly confident that he can get the NRA to come on board and not be an active opponent.

The NRA came out against him on the age limit this morning.

I heard that as well. I obviously don't own guns but many of my family and friends do and none of them have a problem with that idea.
One of them who is a member suggested the NRA was against that idea because it could affect their memberships.

I'm torn on it, if an 18 year old can vote and serve this nation they should be able to own a firearm. Then I look at some of them and cringe at the thought of them being near one

That's what I told my daughter. She is a gun owner & avid shooter. She is for the age restriction. I told her it didn't seem fair when looked at from the military & voting age.

18-year-olds are not the problem. Violent crazies are the problem. Just as I do not want my rights restricted because someone else is dangerous, I do not want the rights of others restricted for the same reason.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If Trump is able to get meaningful gun control passed I’ll give him credit. If he tosses us an insignificant bone hoping that we’ll shut up, the way he does with his sheep, then screw him. I expect the latter.

Do you consider his current ideas meaningful?

Today he claimed he would end bumpstocks on his own if he had to. Wants a higher age requirement & better background checks.

I think he needs to back the hell off on this "Well, I'll just make law myself if I can't get Congress to do what I want" crap. Shades of Barack Obama!

What are these "better background checks" he's babbling about? How are the ones we have now flawed, aside from people not complying with their responsibilities in regards to them?

 

[bendog]

It's no secret that the NRA has been bucking some of Trumps proposals so if he gets them to come around on the age limit or deeper background checks will you give him credit?
Trump seems incredibly confident that he can get the NRA to come on board and not be an active opponent.

The NRA came out against him on the age limit this morning.

Probably because it's essentially meaningless window-dressing.

ummm, I dunno about meaningless. By the time someone's 21, they've had time to get over the horror of HS, and I think Scott provides for necessary exceptions for under 21 yr olds employed in various jobs. And nothing prevents a responsible guardian parent from buying a gun. Lots of us had guns as kids, but I can't think of an instance when the gun wasn't bought by an adult.

All age limits are to a degree arbitrary. But is 21 generally more responsible and able to appreciate probable consequences of actions that 18? Yeah, to an extent.