"IF" the Vaccines were working--------------people wouldn't be catching the virus right guys?
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Markle
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View attachment 512033Who said the vaccines were 100% effective?Media and Fauci have been covering up the facts..........the vaccinated are still catching the virus in huge numbers. Fauci is out today trying to blame Republicans and blowing smoke trying to cover his butt----by saying that Republicans are rooting for the virus and people to be unvaccinated.
6 fully vaccinated people who attended an outdoor wedding caught the Delta variant, but people with Pfizer and Moderna shots survived, study says
The infections among attendees of a 92-person wedding in April were in people over 50, a study says. One who'd gotten the Covaxin vaccine died.news.yahoo.com
Polio Vaccine Effectiveness and Duration of Protection | CDC
Information about the effectiveness of the polio vaccine and how long it provides immunity against poliovirus.www.cdc.gov
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MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine
Find out about the MMR vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella, including who should have it, when it's given and possible side effects.www.nhs.uk
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I'm obviously referring to the COVID vaccine. Thanks.
Rigby5
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Whataver worms have burrowed into Dr. Malone's brain have destroyed his reason and credibility. His basic, false claim is that it is cytotoxic. This is false.
Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines are not ‘cytotoxic’
Posts are sharing the false statement that the spike protein in COVID-19 vaccines is cytotoxic, suggesting that it kills or damages cells. There is no evidence to support this.www.reuters.com
Wrong.
What Dr. Robert Malone said is true, that the corona spike protein used in the mRNA vaccine CAN BECOME cytotoxic.
What the doc said in particular, is that they rushed these covid vaccines and did not take enough care in ensuring that the corona spike protein they use as a trigger, was firmly enough attached. And it is only when it become unattached, that it floats around and then is cytotoxic.
While Dr. Malone has not researched how often this has happened, he did determine it has happened more than once.
What your link shows is that Reuters Fact Check does not even know how to read.
They totally misunderstood what Dr. Malone said.
Markle
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Actually, our pay levels attract the best and the brightest doctors in the world to practice here in America. We have the finest most advanced facilities in the world along with the most advanced technology. At the top of your class and specialty, where would you prefer to practice?
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justoffal
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Thus the need for Guinea pigs
Indeed...and there's this behind the scenes with the inventor of mRNA vaccine who publicly came out against using it immediately censored as well as YouTube deleting his information.
"June 11, 2021, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology,1 Dr. Robert Malone, spoke out on the DarkHorse podcast about the potential dangers of COVID-19 gene therapy injections, hosted by Bret Weinstein, Ph.D. The podcast was quickly erased from YouTube and Weinstein was issued a warning.
I'd like your opinion on the following: "Coincidentally, a peer-reviewed risk-benefit analysis was in fact published in the medical journal Vaccines the same day Malone spoke to Carlson. It revealed that the number needed to vaccinate (NNTV) to prevent one COVID-19 death using the Pfizer injection is between 9,000 and 50,000, and that for every three COVID-19 deaths prevented, two are killed by the injection. According to the authors, “This lack of clear benefit should cause governments to rethink their vaccination policy.”
mRNA Vaccine Inventor Erased From History Books - LewRockwell
June 11, 2021, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology,1 Dr. Robert Malone, spoke out on the DarkHorse podcast about the potential dangers of COVID-19 gene therapy injections, hosted by Bret Weinstein, Ph.D. The podcast was quickly erased from YouTube and Weinstein was issued a warning. To...www.lewrockwell.com
More from above source: In his interview, Malone noted that he had warned the FDA that the spike protein — which the COVID-19 shots instruct your cells to make — could pose a health risk.
"The FDA dismissed his concerns, saying they did not believe the spike protein was biologically active. Besides, the vaccine makers specifically designed the injections so that the spike protein would stick and not float about freely. As it turns out, they were wrong on both accounts."
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Oh! My bad...just this experimental one...that they are pushing harder than any ever in history...the one that has seriously harmed thousands more in the first 6 months than all vaxes over the past 20 years...that one doesn't have to be 100%...that one gets a pass.View attachment 512033Who said the vaccines were 100% effective?Media and Fauci have been covering up the facts..........the vaccinated are still catching the virus in huge numbers. Fauci is out today trying to blame Republicans and blowing smoke trying to cover his butt----by saying that Republicans are rooting for the virus and people to be unvaccinated.
6 fully vaccinated people who attended an outdoor wedding caught the Delta variant, but people with Pfizer and Moderna shots survived, study says
The infections among attendees of a 92-person wedding in April were in people over 50, a study says. One who'd gotten the Covaxin vaccine died.
Polio Vaccine Effectiveness and Duration of Protection | CDC
Information about the effectiveness of the polio vaccine and how long it provides immunity against poliovirus.
View attachment 512035
MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine
Find out about the MMR vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella, including who should have it, when it's given and possible side effects.
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I'm obviously referring to the COVID vaccine. Thanks.
Check. Thanks.
The cognitive dissonance is HILARIOUS! LOL!
Fort Fun Indiana
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The paper described in the article has since been retracted for being flawed.Thus the need for Guinea pigs
Indeed...and there's this behind the scenes with the inventor of mRNA vaccine who publicly came out against using it immediately censored as well as YouTube deleting his information.
"June 11, 2021, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology,1 Dr. Robert Malone, spoke out on the DarkHorse podcast about the potential dangers of COVID-19 gene therapy injections, hosted by Bret Weinstein, Ph.D. The podcast was quickly erased from YouTube and Weinstein was issued a warning.
I'd like your opinion on the following: "Coincidentally, a peer-reviewed risk-benefit analysis was in fact published in the medical journal Vaccines the same day Malone spoke to Carlson. It revealed that the number needed to vaccinate (NNTV) to prevent one COVID-19 death using the Pfizer injection is between 9,000 and 50,000, and that for every three COVID-19 deaths prevented, two are killed by the injection. According to the authors, “This lack of clear benefit should cause governments to rethink their vaccination policy.”
mRNA Vaccine Inventor Erased From History Books - LewRockwell
June 11, 2021, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology,1 Dr. Robert Malone, spoke out on the DarkHorse podcast about the potential dangers of COVID-19 gene therapy injections, hosted by Bret Weinstein, Ph.D. The podcast was quickly erased from YouTube and Weinstein was issued a warning. To...
More from above source: In his interview, Malone noted that he had warned the FDA that the spike protein — which the COVID-19 shots instruct your cells to make — could pose a health risk.
"The FDA dismissed his concerns, saying they did not believe the spike protein was biologically active. Besides, the vaccine makers specifically designed the injections so that the spike protein would stick and not float about freely. As it turns out, they were wrong on both accounts."
Jo
Flawed Paper on COVID-19 Vaccines, Deaths Spreads Widely Before Retraction - FactCheck.org
The COVID-19 vaccines have been shown in trials and real-world application to be safe and effective. But a paper shared widely online claimed that vaccines cause two deaths for every three lives saved. Experts say the analysis misinterpreted data and was flawed -- and it has now been retracted...
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You can find out why, there. No need to invent reasons out of thin air. Such a claim should be viewed with great suspicion from the start, given the success of the vaccines and the declining deaths.
HappyJoy
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Why does it have to be 100%? You don't think the polio and measles vaccines were pushed hard? Just ask any dumbass anti-vaxxer and they'll tell you all about it.Oh! My bad...just this experimental one...that they are pushing harder than any ever in history...the one that has seriously harmed thousands more in the first 6 months than all vaxes over the past 20 years...that one doesn't have to be 100%...that one gets a pass.View attachment 512033Who said the vaccines were 100% effective?Media and Fauci have been covering up the facts..........the vaccinated are still catching the virus in huge numbers. Fauci is out today trying to blame Republicans and blowing smoke trying to cover his butt----by saying that Republicans are rooting for the virus and people to be unvaccinated.
6 fully vaccinated people who attended an outdoor wedding caught the Delta variant, but people with Pfizer and Moderna shots survived, study says
The infections among attendees of a 92-person wedding in April were in people over 50, a study says. One who'd gotten the Covaxin vaccine died.
Polio Vaccine Effectiveness and Duration of Protection | CDC
Information about the effectiveness of the polio vaccine and how long it provides immunity against poliovirus.
View attachment 512035
MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine
Find out about the MMR vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella, including who should have it, when it's given and possible side effects.
View attachment 512037
View attachment 512036
I'm obviously referring to the COVID vaccine. Thanks.
Check. Thanks.
The cognitive dissonance is HILARIOUS! LOL!
I think there is what a potential that about 6k people may have been harmed? And there is nothing really conclusive about that anyway.
I think your priorities about the vaccines are more political and conspiratorial than anything else.
Markle
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Isn't it peculiar that so many people come from around the world to have medical procedures here in America?
It is not at all unusual that the most wealthy people in the world would come to the US for treatment, because we pay doctor twice what they are paid in any other country.
That high pay does not mean US doctors are better in general, just that they are the highest paid.
In fact, it is easy to show the US has some of the worst health care in the world, for those who are not wealthy.
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Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States (U.S)., making medical errors the third leading cause of death. Error rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany and the United Kingdom (U.K). At the same time less than 10 percent of medical errors are reported. This study describes the results of an investigation of the effectiveness of the implementation of the MEDMARX Medication Error Reporting system in 25 hospitals in Pennsylvania. Data were collected on 17,000 errors reported by participating hospitals over a 12-month period. Latent growth curve analysis revealed that reporting of errors by health care providers increased significantly over the four quarters. At the same time, the proportion of corrective actions taken by the hospitals remained relatively constant over the 12 months. A simulation model was constructed to examine the effect of potential organizational changes resulting from error reporting. Four interventions were simulated. The results suggest that improving patient safety requires more than voluntary reporting. Organizational changes need to be implemented and institutionalized as well.
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Your Health Care May Kill You: Medical Errors - PubMed
Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States (U.S)., making medical errors the third leading cause of death. Error rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries such as Canada...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Not at all what is being discussed. You're trying to use a strawman argument substituting medical errors with the quality of medical care.
What you're saying is that because we have a huge population, therefore far more medical errors, other countries do not have medical errors.
As you know too, far more folks in other countries DIE waiting for a procedure common and available quickly here in America.
ClaireH
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Incredible medical error ranked 3rd, and if that data is accurate than around 90% of medical errors are not even reported - unacceptable by anyone's standards. So 25 hospitals had 17,000 errors reported within a year. Yikes, hospitals can be crazy busy, but that sounds excessive to me like by about 15,000 or so yes?
Isn't it peculiar that so many people come from around the world to have medical procedures here in America?
It is not at all unusual that the most wealthy people in the world would come to the US for treatment, because we pay doctor twice what they are paid in any other country.
That high pay does not mean US doctors are better in general, just that they are the highest paid.
In fact, it is easy to show the US has some of the worst health care in the world, for those who are not wealthy.
{...
Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States (U.S)., making medical errors the third leading cause of death. Error rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany and the United Kingdom (U.K). At the same time less than 10 percent of medical errors are reported. This study describes the results of an investigation of the effectiveness of the implementation of the MEDMARX Medication Error Reporting system in 25 hospitals in Pennsylvania. Data were collected on 17,000 errors reported by participating hospitals over a 12-month period. Latent growth curve analysis revealed that reporting of errors by health care providers increased significantly over the four quarters. At the same time, the proportion of corrective actions taken by the hospitals remained relatively constant over the 12 months. A simulation model was constructed to examine the effect of potential organizational changes resulting from error reporting. Four interventions were simulated. The results suggest that improving patient safety requires more than voluntary reporting. Organizational changes need to be implemented and institutionalized as well.
...}
Your Health Care May Kill You: Medical Errors - PubMed
Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States (U.S)., making medical errors the third leading cause of death. Error rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries such as Canada...
Rigby5
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No, I know exactly what these words mean.
With traditional vaccines, they do not have to totally understand the immune system and how it works, because they are using the actual virus, only they killed it or ensured it could not reproduce.
With mRNA vaccines, they use GMO techniques to grow a synthetic molecule that they think might initiate an immune system response similar to that the actual virus would cause.
But since they do not completely understand how the immune system works, they can easily screw up and cause unexpected results.
The one we know has happened is that the corona spike protein they attach as a trigger, has come loose in some circumstances. And when that happens, then the immune system will attack all cells around where it ends up. And that could be in the brain, heart, or anywhere else.
Rigby5
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Isn't it peculiar that so many people come from around the world to have medical procedures here in America?
It is not at all unusual that the most wealthy people in the world would come to the US for treatment, because we pay doctor twice what they are paid in any other country.
That high pay does not mean US doctors are better in general, just that they are the highest paid.
In fact, it is easy to show the US has some of the worst health care in the world, for those who are not wealthy.
{...
Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States (U.S)., making medical errors the third leading cause of death. Error rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany and the United Kingdom (U.K). At the same time less than 10 percent of medical errors are reported. This study describes the results of an investigation of the effectiveness of the implementation of the MEDMARX Medication Error Reporting system in 25 hospitals in Pennsylvania. Data were collected on 17,000 errors reported by participating hospitals over a 12-month period. Latent growth curve analysis revealed that reporting of errors by health care providers increased significantly over the four quarters. At the same time, the proportion of corrective actions taken by the hospitals remained relatively constant over the 12 months. A simulation model was constructed to examine the effect of potential organizational changes resulting from error reporting. Four interventions were simulated. The results suggest that improving patient safety requires more than voluntary reporting. Organizational changes need to be implemented and institutionalized as well.
...}
Your Health Care May Kill You: Medical Errors - PubMed
Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States (U.S)., making medical errors the third leading cause of death. Error rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries such as Canada...
Not at all what is being discussed. You're trying to use a strawman argument substituting medical errors with the quality of medical care.
What you're saying is that because we have a huge population, therefore far more medical errors, other countries do not have medical errors.
As you know too, far more folks in other countries DIE waiting for a procedure common and available quickly here in America.
Totally wrong.
The US is rated one of the worse health care systems in the modern world.
We do not have a huge population.
We have a very small population compared to India or China, and are not much larger than Indonesia, Pakistan, or Brazil.
And stop lying.
NO ONE dies waiting for a medical procedure in any country, unless it is due to a lack of donor organs.
The US rates only #37 in the world.
That is terrible.
Best Healthcare in the World 2026
List of countries ranked according to the quality of their healthcare systems, with a ranking from various sources including which country has the best and which country has the worst healthcare in the world.
Rigby5
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Incredible medical error ranked 3rd, and if that data is accurate than around 90% of medical errors are not even reported - unacceptable by anyone's standards. So 25 hospitals had 17,000 errors reported within a year. Yikes, hospitals can be crazy busy, but that sounds excessive to me like by about 15,000 or so yes?
Isn't it peculiar that so many people come from around the world to have medical procedures here in America?
It is not at all unusual that the most wealthy people in the world would come to the US for treatment, because we pay doctor twice what they are paid in any other country.
That high pay does not mean US doctors are better in general, just that they are the highest paid.
In fact, it is easy to show the US has some of the worst health care in the world, for those who are not wealthy.
{...
Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States (U.S)., making medical errors the third leading cause of death. Error rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany and the United Kingdom (U.K). At the same time less than 10 percent of medical errors are reported. This study describes the results of an investigation of the effectiveness of the implementation of the MEDMARX Medication Error Reporting system in 25 hospitals in Pennsylvania. Data were collected on 17,000 errors reported by participating hospitals over a 12-month period. Latent growth curve analysis revealed that reporting of errors by health care providers increased significantly over the four quarters. At the same time, the proportion of corrective actions taken by the hospitals remained relatively constant over the 12 months. A simulation model was constructed to examine the effect of potential organizational changes resulting from error reporting. Four interventions were simulated. The results suggest that improving patient safety requires more than voluntary reporting. Organizational changes need to be implemented and institutionalized as well.
...}
Your Health Care May Kill You: Medical Errors - PubMed
Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States (U.S)., making medical errors the third leading cause of death. Error rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries such as Canada...
No other country has to draw magic marker instruction on the patient's body before the operation, because in all other countries they take the time to know the patient and ensure they are doing the right procedure.
And even with the magic marker instruction, sometimes in the US they still amputate the wrong limb.
Markle
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That has been debunked so long ago that I'd have thought even you had quit throwing it out as a reason for Socialist healthcare. Don't you wonder why even the far left has quietly quit using that dead horse?
That myth was started by a flawed research paper done by none other than Socialist Elizabeth Warren. What you and many other far-left liberals neglected to find out was the criteria used in her bogus research.
Just because I like you, I'll tell you what was wrong with Warren's paper. They went through old bankruptcy records. They counted as a MEDICALLY CAUSED bankruptcy any expense of more than $1,000.00. To simplify it for you, someone could have $100,000.00 or $200,000.00 in other debt but if there was $1,000.00 being owed to a hospital, BINGO MEDICAL BANKRUPTCY.
Rigby5
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No, I checked half a dozen sources and they all listed medical expenses in the US as the main cause of bankruptcy.
Here is a typical one:
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In the southern district of Florida, 31,989 people filed for personal bankruptcy in 2012 and 36,847 in 2011. However, the factors that cause people to file for bankruptcy can be very different. See below for the top ten leading causes of filing for personal bankruptcy.
- Medical Bills: Medical debt is the leading cause of bankruptcy in the United States. Studies show that 42% of all personal bankruptcies are the result of medical bills.
- Job Loss: Approximately 22% of those who file for personal bankruptcy attribute their financial troubles to their unemployment.
- Uncontrolled Spending: Credit card bills, mortgages and car payments contribute to approximately 15% of bankruptcies in the United States. Many Americans are forced to file for bankruptcy protection every year due to uncontrolled spending habits.
- Divorce: Divorce can be very expensive when there are legal fees, child support payments, alimony payments and the burden of providing for a household on only one income. Divorce attributes to 8% of bankruptcy filings in the United States.
- Unexpected Disasters: Around 7% of personal bankruptcies are the result of an unexpected disaster such as an earthquake, flood or hurricane. Many Americans cannot recover from debt surrounding a natural disaster due to a lack of homeowners or renters insurance.
- Avoiding Foreclosure: Many people have filed for bankruptcy protection in order to avoid their home from being foreclosed on. Approximately 1.5% of Americans reportedly file for bankruptcy to stay in their homes.
- Poor Financial Planning: Nearly 1.5% of Americans who file for bankruptcy protection are forced to do so because of poor financial planning.
- Preventing Loss of Utilities: One percent of families file for bankruptcy protection in order to keep their utilities on, such as electricity.
- Student Loans: Student loans are not typically dischargeable debt when filing for bankruptcy; however, the minimum payments can be so high that the individual is forced to file for bankruptcy to eliminate other debt. One percent of Americans attribute their bankruptcy to student loans.
...}
Calypso Jones
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If it was a real pandemic, you wouldn't need to be forced to have a vaccine. People would be dropping dead all around you. Hospitals busting at the seems, Politicians and doctors and pharmaceutical giants dead. Ain't none of that happening. I knew week four this was a load of horse hockey.
Hmmm, so 92 ppl at a wedding were fully vaccinated and 4 ppl ended up getting covid because 2 ppl were spreading the delta variant. That works out to a nearly 96% level of protection for the rest of the wedding party. Even if you throw in the 2 ppl who were spreading the variant just for the hell of it that means you're still nealry 94% protected, which is what the clinical trials from both moderna and pfizer has told us. Thank you to linking that article proving the vaccines work!
Rigby5
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But the point is vaccines are not supposed to be release without about 3 years of testing.
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