If The US spends over $600 billion on their military...

[Mudda]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

75% of the US military budget is a make-work program for people in red states. It is welfare for those people. It isn't needed. The US spend $650 billion/yr on defense, China spends $140 billion/yr. Yet cons scream daily how scared they are and how the US military is so bad and depleted.

It is pure welfare for defense contractors in red states. That's it. It is socialism for the wealthy companies in those states.

Ya, that probably explains a lot of it, like getting charged $2 billion for ONE B2 bomber...

 

[Mudda]

He inherited an already lost war.

What lost war?

Iraq and Afghanistan. Were you asleep the whole time?

Who was asleep?/when did we lose Iraq and Afghanistan?

We haven't won either war yet.

You just posted we lost?


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I consider that we've lost those wars once already, and now we're back at it.

 

[Mudda]

The war we lost in Iraq was over. Agreed.

Obama tried to lose the war


No?

He inherited an already lost war.

Your knowledge on this topic is underwhelming. Try again after you do some research.

My son's infantry unit was the last combat brigade out of Iraq. They had no difficulties.

Less than two years later they were in Afghanistan and battling the Taliban daily. Rocket attacks hit their main base almost daily.

See the difference?

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

So know you are posting false reality?


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We've lost once in each place already during the Bush era, and the Obama era wars aren't going that well.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Obama tried to lose the war


No?

He inherited an already lost war.

Your knowledge on this topic is underwhelming. Try again after you do some research.

My son's infantry unit was the last combat brigade out of Iraq. They had no difficulties.

Less than two years later they were in Afghanistan and battling the Taliban daily. Rocket attacks hit their main base almost daily.

See the difference?

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

So know you are posting false reality?


.

We've lost once in each place already during the Bush era, and the Obama era wars aren't going that well.

We didn't lose any war in the bush era, we bombed them till there was nothing left to take out, it was Obama's responsibly to maintain the peace and he didn't.

.

 

[Wyatt earp]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

75% of the US military budget is a make-work program for people in red states. It is welfare for those people. It isn't needed. The US spend $650 billion/yr on defense, China spends $140 billion/yr. Yet cons scream daily how scared they are and how the US military is so bad and depleted.

It is pure welfare for defense contractors in red states. That's it. It is socialism for the wealthy companies in those states.

Ya, that probably explains a lot of it, like getting charged $2 billion for ONE B2 bomber...

Technology cost a lot of money, you ever hear of a B2 getting shot down?

.

 

[Iceweasel]

So we spend over $600 billion/year and can't get the job done in Afghanistan, who don't have any planes, tanks, or heavy artillery... How do you explain that?

I don't recall lefties wringing their hands over it the previous 8 years so I have to dismiss it for what it is.

Not talking partisan-ly, just in general, with a $600 billion+ budget, we can't take Afghanistan? Why?

What So Proudly We Halliburton

We should have nuked Tora Bora and left. But that would have made it seem like the War on Terror was over and done. The sissyboy HeirGuardsman and Darth Evader needed to drag out the war in order to fund the corporations engaging in ultraliberal "nation-building." Besides, why would you expect a quick victory from a Fortunate Son Chickenhawk-in-Chief whose military experience was "two weeks in the summer, one weekend a month"?

Populists must take away all power from the class that produces draftdodging pro-war sons of pro-war politicians. What is most sickening is hearing a combat veteran make excuses for that ilk. That shows how little respect Unfortunate Sons have for themselves, so we shouldn't respect their slavish opinions.

We do not use nuclear weapons numbskull!

What about Japan? Remember that?

We've had no opportunities since WW2? WTF?

 

[sakinago]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

Part of the problem is, our military's rules for engagement are stricter than our own police forces rules of engagement. I'm not advocating for total war, but there definitely needs to be a better balance than what we have. And military isn't an area we should judge based on spending. It should be judged based on wether or not the weapon systems deliver on their promises.

It's funny to see the left always go after military spending...but remain silent in every other area of spending. This past year, the Fed govt spent 1 TRILLION erroneously. That doesn't mean spent it on useless stupid stuff, that means they made payments somewhere they weren't supposed to. 1 TRILLION...that's 1/3 of what the USG takes in annually for taxes! That's 5% of the nations entire GDP! And you want to complain about how much military spending we have? 71% percent of US spending is on entitlements alone, and that number has been increasing sharply in the past few years, before it has been increasing steadily. I think there are more pressing matters we need to address in spending other than military.

Not complaining about the money spent, just wondering why when spending all that cash, we can't beat a poor country on heroin, like Afghanistan, who have no planes, no tanks, no big cannons or bombs...

It's called asymmetric warfare. Meaning they don't fight like a traditional army, wearing uniforms, or hold land, or fight in a formation. Instead you blend in with the native population, plant a IED, go back to hiding and wait. Or you hide a gun, wait for an ambush opportunity, then hide among civilians used as human shields. We further tip the scales when are rules of engagement are more strict than our own law enforcement are. In that our troops don't make a move until fired upon, terrorist get the first shot. We're also talking about a country that doesn't really want freedom, made up of farmers taught by farmers, whose kids they send to fight with the taliban for money or food.

 

[Mudda]

He inherited an already lost war.

Your knowledge on this topic is underwhelming. Try again after you do some research.

My son's infantry unit was the last combat brigade out of Iraq. They had no difficulties.

Less than two years later they were in Afghanistan and battling the Taliban daily. Rocket attacks hit their main base almost daily.

See the difference?

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

So know you are posting false reality?


.

We've lost once in each place already during the Bush era, and the Obama era wars aren't going that well.

We didn't lose any war in the bush era, we bombed them till there was nothing left to take out, it was Obama's responsibly to maintain the peace and he didn't.

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Obama inherited a failed campaign. Even you can see that.

 

[Mudda]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

75% of the US military budget is a make-work program for people in red states. It is welfare for those people. It isn't needed. The US spend $650 billion/yr on defense, China spends $140 billion/yr. Yet cons scream daily how scared they are and how the US military is so bad and depleted.

It is pure welfare for defense contractors in red states. That's it. It is socialism for the wealthy companies in those states.

Ya, that probably explains a lot of it, like getting charged $2 billion for ONE B2 bomber...

Technology cost a lot of money, you ever hear of a B2 getting shot down?

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I also never heard of a B2 bomber that was in a war that was won.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Your knowledge on this topic is underwhelming. Try again after you do some research.

My son's infantry unit was the last combat brigade out of Iraq. They had no difficulties.

Less than two years later they were in Afghanistan and battling the Taliban daily. Rocket attacks hit their main base almost daily.

See the difference?

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

So know you are posting false reality?


.

We've lost once in each place already during the Bush era, and the Obama era wars aren't going that well.

We didn't lose any war in the bush era, we bombed them till there was nothing left to take out, it was Obama's responsibly to maintain the peace and he didn't.

.

Obama inherited a failed campaign. Even you can see that.

No he didn't, Obama started the war up again to win an election..

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[sakinago]

Your knowledge on this topic is underwhelming. Try again after you do some research.

My son's infantry unit was the last combat brigade out of Iraq. They had no difficulties.

Less than two years later they were in Afghanistan and battling the Taliban daily. Rocket attacks hit their main base almost daily.

See the difference?

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

So know you are posting false reality?


.

We've lost once in each place already during the Bush era, and the Obama era wars aren't going that well.

We didn't lose any war in the bush era, we bombed them till there was nothing left to take out, it was Obama's responsibly to maintain the peace and he didn't.

.

Obama inherited a failed campaign. Even you can see that.

And Obama made the same mistakes as bush for the wars, just to a higher degree.

 

[Mudda]

I don't recall lefties wringing their hands over it the previous 8 years so I have to dismiss it for what it is.

Not talking partisan-ly, just in general, with a $600 billion+ budget, we can't take Afghanistan? Why?

What So Proudly We Halliburton

We should have nuked Tora Bora and left. But that would have made it seem like the War on Terror was over and done. The sissyboy HeirGuardsman and Darth Evader needed to drag out the war in order to fund the corporations engaging in ultraliberal "nation-building." Besides, why would you expect a quick victory from a Fortunate Son Chickenhawk-in-Chief whose military experience was "two weeks in the summer, one weekend a month"?

Populists must take away all power from the class that produces draftdodging pro-war sons of pro-war politicians. What is most sickening is hearing a combat veteran make excuses for that ilk. That shows how little respect Unfortunate Sons have for themselves, so we shouldn't respect their slavish opinions.

We do not use nuclear weapons numbskull!

What about Japan? Remember that?

We've had no opportunities since WW2? WTF?

Opportunities to use nukes since Japan? We've had opportunities, just too wussy to use them.

 

[Wyatt earp]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

75% of the US military budget is a make-work program for people in red states. It is welfare for those people. It isn't needed. The US spend $650 billion/yr on defense, China spends $140 billion/yr. Yet cons scream daily how scared they are and how the US military is so bad and depleted.

It is pure welfare for defense contractors in red states. That's it. It is socialism for the wealthy companies in those states.

Ya, that probably explains a lot of it, like getting charged $2 billion for ONE B2 bomber...

Technology cost a lot of money, you ever hear of a B2 getting shot down?

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I also never heard of a B2 bomber that was in a war that was won.

Obama didn't let them do their jobs


.

 

[sakinago]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

75% of the US military budget is a make-work program for people in red states. It is welfare for those people. It isn't needed. The US spend $650 billion/yr on defense, China spends $140 billion/yr. Yet cons scream daily how scared they are and how the US military is so bad and depleted.

It is pure welfare for defense contractors in red states. That's it. It is socialism for the wealthy companies in those states.

Ya, that probably explains a lot of it, like getting charged $2 billion for ONE B2 bomber...

Technology cost a lot of money, you ever hear of a B2 getting shot down?

.

I also never heard of a B2 bomber that was in a war that was won.

...Desert Storm?

 

[Mudda]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

Part of the problem is, our military's rules for engagement are stricter than our own police forces rules of engagement. I'm not advocating for total war, but there definitely needs to be a better balance than what we have. And military isn't an area we should judge based on spending. It should be judged based on wether or not the weapon systems deliver on their promises.

It's funny to see the left always go after military spending...but remain silent in every other area of spending. This past year, the Fed govt spent 1 TRILLION erroneously. That doesn't mean spent it on useless stupid stuff, that means they made payments somewhere they weren't supposed to. 1 TRILLION...that's 1/3 of what the USG takes in annually for taxes! That's 5% of the nations entire GDP! And you want to complain about how much military spending we have? 71% percent of US spending is on entitlements alone, and that number has been increasing sharply in the past few years, before it has been increasing steadily. I think there are more pressing matters we need to address in spending other than military.

Not complaining about the money spent, just wondering why when spending all that cash, we can't beat a poor country on heroin, like Afghanistan, who have no planes, no tanks, no big cannons or bombs...

It's called asymmetric warfare. Meaning they don't fight like a traditional army, wearing uniforms, or hold land, or fight in a formation. Instead you blend in with the native population, plant a IED, go back to hiding and wait. Or you hide a gun, wait for an ambush opportunity, then hide among civilians used as human shields. We further tip the scales when are rules of engagement are more strict than our own law enforcement are. In that our troops don't make a move until fired upon, terrorist get the first shot. We're also talking about a country that doesn't really want freedom, made up of farmers taught by farmers, whose kids they send to fight with the taliban for money or food.

So we 're fighting wrong, and I agree. Time to change tactics because what we're doing now isn't getting the job done.

 

[Iceweasel]

Not talking partisan-ly, just in general, with a $600 billion+ budget, we can't take Afghanistan? Why?

What So Proudly We Halliburton

We should have nuked Tora Bora and left. But that would have made it seem like the War on Terror was over and done. The sissyboy HeirGuardsman and Darth Evader needed to drag out the war in order to fund the corporations engaging in ultraliberal "nation-building." Besides, why would you expect a quick victory from a Fortunate Son Chickenhawk-in-Chief whose military experience was "two weeks in the summer, one weekend a month"?

Populists must take away all power from the class that produces draftdodging pro-war sons of pro-war politicians. What is most sickening is hearing a combat veteran make excuses for that ilk. That shows how little respect Unfortunate Sons have for themselves, so we shouldn't respect their slavish opinions.

We do not use nuclear weapons numbskull!

What about Japan? Remember that?

We've had no opportunities since WW2? WTF?

Opportunities to use nukes since Japan? We've had opportunities, just too wussy to use them.

So using them is wrong and not using them is wrong. Got it.

 

[Wyatt earp]

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

So know you are posting false reality?


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We've lost once in each place already during the Bush era, and the Obama era wars aren't going that well.

We didn't lose any war in the bush era, we bombed them till there was nothing left to take out, it was Obama's responsibly to maintain the peace and he didn't.

.

Obama inherited a failed campaign. Even you can see that.

And Obama made the same mistakes as bush for the wars, just to a higher degree.

Bush didn't make no mistake.. Obama totally royally messed up by firing our top generals..

 

[Mudda]

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

So know you are posting false reality?


.

We've lost once in each place already during the Bush era, and the Obama era wars aren't going that well.

We didn't lose any war in the bush era, we bombed them till there was nothing left to take out, it was Obama's responsibly to maintain the peace and he didn't.

.

Obama inherited a failed campaign. Even you can see that.

No he didn't, Obama started the war up again to win an election..

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No, Obama tried to pull out of Iraq and then all hell broke loose again. But nothing had been "won" before that, in fact, we had lost the population and any territory outside of big cities...

 

[Mudda]

We lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, now you know.

So know you are posting false reality?


.

We've lost once in each place already during the Bush era, and the Obama era wars aren't going that well.

We didn't lose any war in the bush era, we bombed them till there was nothing left to take out, it was Obama's responsibly to maintain the peace and he didn't.

.

Obama inherited a failed campaign. Even you can see that.

And Obama made the same mistakes as bush for the wars, just to a higher degree.

Obama was a weenie. Agreed.

 

[sakinago]

... and can't get the job done against countries that spend 100 times less that they need to inject another $50 billion, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the military and the way it's set up and operates?

Part of the problem is, our military's rules for engagement are stricter than our own police forces rules of engagement. I'm not advocating for total war, but there definitely needs to be a better balance than what we have. And military isn't an area we should judge based on spending. It should be judged based on wether or not the weapon systems deliver on their promises.

It's funny to see the left always go after military spending...but remain silent in every other area of spending. This past year, the Fed govt spent 1 TRILLION erroneously. That doesn't mean spent it on useless stupid stuff, that means they made payments somewhere they weren't supposed to. 1 TRILLION...that's 1/3 of what the USG takes in annually for taxes! That's 5% of the nations entire GDP! And you want to complain about how much military spending we have? 71% percent of US spending is on entitlements alone, and that number has been increasing sharply in the past few years, before it has been increasing steadily. I think there are more pressing matters we need to address in spending other than military.

Not complaining about the money spent, just wondering why when spending all that cash, we can't beat a poor country on heroin, like Afghanistan, who have no planes, no tanks, no big cannons or bombs...

And yes you are complaining about the money spent. Your complaining about the cost of a B2 bomber, and are still silent on 1 trillion in erroneous payments...at least we got a highly functioning and effective war plane from that 2 billion...from your own metric you should be loosing your shit over 1 trillion pissed away over nothing, 1/3 of the entire tax revenue, wasted to never be seen again. Why are you not?